Body Image, Bodily Functions & A Big Announcement!

Jann Arden  0:08  
Hello, everyone. I'm Jen Arden. This is the Janardan podcast one of the most successful, wildly acclaimed podcasts of all times. I'm here with Caitlin green. Caitlin Green is a person that I have personally known and vouch for many, many times.

Sarah Burke  0:23  
Hello, what an intro. Hi,

Jann Arden  0:25  
Caitlin. Yeah,

Caitlin Green  0:27  
I know, personally about four to the police specifically. Yes.

Jann Arden  0:30  
And Sarah Burke. So I'm here with two young women, everyone. I'm 62 years old. For those who are new listeners to Our Podcast. I'm a 62 year old singer, songwriter, author, sometimes actor, animal advocate. Vegan, you get sick of me talking about that. And I am here with to what generation would you grow? Say you're from? Because I know that Sarah Burke is 37 ish. I'm just going to put that out there. Good memory. Yes. Caitlin green is 40.

Caitlin Green  0:57  
I'm a millennial.

Jann Arden  0:58  
Are you also a millennial? Sarah? Yeah,

Sarah Burke  1:01  
I would say yes. All right. So

Jann Arden  1:03  
I'm here with women that are basically, you know, 30 years younger than me, let's say 25. Let's just split it down the middle. And we have not opposing points of view, but we have very different takes on things. So the first thing I'm going to throw at you young women is the whole idea. Of and this is because of the bridgerton thing. It's been a it's been online a lot about the slightly roten rotund star. The audition knew the love interest of the very slim, attractive man and the internet's Gone Wild, talking about how can a girl that's a little bit you know, rotund, be with this guy. It wouldn't happen in real life as some of the comments that I would use

Sarah Burke  1:52  
a row ton. Do you mean like the mean people are saying

Jann Arden  1:55  
she's too fat, you know, a fat girl wouldn't end up with a, you know, a slim fit guy. It doesn't work.

Sarah Burke  2:02  
I haven't watched bridgerton. So maybe just in case someone hasn't watched bridgerton Give us like a little

Jann Arden  2:07  
it is a period piece. It's a Shonda Rhimes. It's in that realm of of one of her creations.

Caitlin Green  2:12  
It's like a sexy soap opera set in an imaginary world of the 1800s.

Jann Arden  2:18  
I think it's the 18th century indeed. But just like the big puffy dresses, the puff hair, the poofy hair, picture, Marie Antoinette, but it's okay. It's anyway, so this thing has gone wild. And I'm just the thing that bugs me is that we're used to seeing Fred Flintstone and Wilma so this big, Lumpy guy with a skinny little, you know, Wilma, we're used to seeing the King of Queens. What's his name with the very very slim girlfriend or anything John Candy was any always had a very, very stick like wife or partner, girlfriend or love interest. So we're used to seeing that trope over and over and over again, of these big guys, whether it's Tony Soprano, and you know, his his wife on that long running show. We're used to the idea of the big guy with the very slim attractive woman, but my God, everyone's losing their shit over this girl who's you know, diminutive. She's like five foot two, probably 180 pounds, and then this really tall, handsome man who's trim and fit so I want your take on it.

Caitlin Green  3:22  
Yeah, I feel like it's an her name. The actresses name I believe is Nicola caughlin or Nicola caughlin. She's from Ireland. Could be butchering that pronunciation, but she's beautiful. She's beautiful. And she's talked a lot about being curvy, and in the media. And I think people would ask her frequently about dating for her or what it's like to be in the public eye and on screen for a woman of her size. And I think that she repeatedly had said, Oh, for someone with my body type, do you mean somebody with perfect breath?

Sarah Burke  3:52  
I love that. Like,

Caitlin Green  3:53  
what's it like for me with my perfect breasts? Oh, it's great. So she's obviously in real life, like a very confident, attractive person. And the criticism to me seems, oh, God, boring is the first word that comes to mind. It's just a very boring conversation.

Jann Arden  4:10  
But this, this is a lot of women going against it to they're just like, that's,

Caitlin Green  4:14  
I believe, like, why internalized misogyny is here to stay, apparently. But I feel as though it's boring. It's outdated. And it's just illogical, because you're gonna see people of all shapes and sizes, in relationships with each other in real life all the time. And looks are subjective. You might find somebody to be not of the same ranking on your attractiveness scale as the person that they're partnered with. But that's you. And I'm sure if you flipped your I mean, how many times you're like taking a selfie? Or like taking a photo and you flip your camera around and you look at yourself and you're like, Oh my God. I always think when people are criticizing someone else's looks on on the internet. I'm like, if we flipped your phone around right now, I bet you'd look like crap. So I never get not too worried about it. That's rude. It's rude and outdated and boring. It's rude and outdated and boring. It's just like, it's just not for me,

Unknown Speaker  5:06  
Sarah? Oh, okay.

Unknown Speaker  5:10  
You're up,

Jann Arden  5:11  
you think you're gonna be exempt from this conversation? I just find it curious. That's all that, that there's just so much criticism. I

Sarah Burke  5:17  
wouldn't call myself a curvy woman, but I have an athletic body type. Right? And I will say that it doesn't make me feel amazing to be beside a slender man. In real life. Right?

Jann Arden  5:27  
Are you kidding me right now?

Sarah Burke  5:30  
No, but I'm just saying like, sometimes, like, I'm just putting myself in this actresses, you know, shoes maybe. And, you know, sometimes I think that like, especially if I'm like swiping on the apps and stuff. It's like, I'd crush that guy

Jann Arden  5:43  
crush him in bed or crush him. I'm

Sarah Burke  5:46  
not necessarily like, probably be able to fight him. It may be even you know what I'm saying? Like, I?

Caitlin Green  5:52  
Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

Sarah Burke  5:55  
Just mean, I wouldn't. I would feel more confident in my own skin next to someone who is same or larger than me. Would you date a fat guy? Yeah. I don't care about that. Okay, I love the idea of a big bear to cuddle with. Yeah.

Jann Arden  6:09  
Okay. I'm glad to hear that.

Caitlin Green  6:10  
But so you lean away from a slider build of a man because you prefer the feeling and a relationship of being smaller than your partner?

Sarah Burke  6:18  
Yeah, for some reason. And that's interesting, now that we're saying it out loud, Hey,

Caitlin Green  6:21  
I've talked about this a lot, you know, over the years in media to when these topics will kind of come up. And frequently when I was on the radio, and we would have male listeners text us in and say, okay, so to, you know, counter with what we feel judged by is our height. So there'll be lots of criticism about women for their weight. But then men will say you go to a dating site, and one of the most common things that no woman is interested in or they claim not to be interested in on these dating sites is a man under six feet tall under six foot. Yes. And that's like that's a whole thing is like women who are interested in very tall men only. And even just, you know, that trending piece of audio that was turned into like a song that was going around this year, where it was like six, five, blue eyes finance, like all that, like,

Sarah Burke  7:07  
the list goes on for us, please.

Caitlin Green  7:10  
But it's a list of what women find attractive and men frequently starting with being tall. Look, how's a guy gonna go be tall? If he's not tall?

Jann Arden  7:18  
I'm lost on the I would crush you thing. What do you mean by that? Like, I

Sarah Burke  7:22  
feel like I have a bigger boat like hugging like this way wide, wide versus tall, I think is what I'm saying. Like, I've got some shoulders and she's tiny.

Jann Arden  7:31  
You're very fit. This is a ridiculous conversation. So we're moving on. Okay. I wanted to know my thoughts. Now I feel bad. Because when I look at you, too, you are absolutely the quintessential fit fabulous, beautiful, smart, entrepreneurial, sexy women. And so that there's even a shadow of a shadow of a doubt in your mind that you're going to crush a guy because you have broad shoulders. You are a very, you're a small person, sir. Like we've had dinner with you. And you're not a big eater, telling you what, you know. Anyway, it's

Sarah Burke  8:08  
a confidence thing.

Jann Arden  8:10  
I guess. My point being is when we see a slim nice looking man, a fit man with an overweight I'm just gonna put that out there. Because that's I'm trying to be delicate about it. So people are calling Yeah. You know, we're all freaking out. And now we're living in a world where when these actresses are overweight, this is the first comment they get. Why are you not on ozempic? Why don't you go on Mon journey terrible. Why aren't you taking what go V? Why aren't you doing these things you have now you have a choice, this is what's fucking happening. Now you have a choice, you are choosing to be fat, you are choosing to look like that. Because now you have the option of taking something that's been proven to be scientifically, you know, positive and not harmful to you. Now we have another layer to this already. Yeah,

Caitlin Green  9:03  
I think everyone knew that when I at least I knew when I was Emperor came out, I thought to myself, Oh, dang it, this is going to lead to some disordered eating, for sure. And also, it's going to treat this like this as a problem to be fixed, that you now you're choosing not to fix the problem of not being considered hot by very narrow, boring standards that are actually applicable in real life. I mean, truthfully, there are tons and tons of men and women who are attracted to people of all different shapes and sizes. And I I think a lot about the height thing for men the weight thing for women, and that when it all really comes down to it. It's just designed to make people kind of hate how they look and hate themselves and then probably spend a whole bunch of money on trying to fix that

Sarah Burke  9:48  
valid point product of our environment. Yeah,

Caitlin Green  9:51  
so it's like, you know, it's just, I think, an increased awareness around like how this makes people feel and then how it makes them you know, interact with other people and dating and all that stuff such

Jann Arden  10:00  
a tired conversation that we see, we're never not going to have it, you know, we're going to be having these conversations. And, you know, like I was saying with the drugs now, we face a whole new barrage of criticisms that there's lots of things we could do to change this. And obviously, you're just you're not doing it and but the price is also a factor. ozempic I know for a fact is about $400 a month. And it's not covered by health care, unless you are a type two diabetic or diabetic, where it's it is often covered, because it's obviously a drug designed initially to help with your glycemic index and your blood sugars and all of that kind of stuff. So there are people and I read this article, there are women, and I believe it was out of Oklahoma, a woman was her drugs because of the health care in the United States were $1,000 a month. So she was paying 250 a week. For her. I don't I want to say ozempic. But I listen, I'm not sure if folks but one of those drugs. And she was literally the the desire to keep she went off it for like a month and she put 10 pounds on she freaked out so bad because she was going broke, she could hardly feed her kids hardly pay the rent. And she was in a quandary. She out loud said I am choosing to pay for this drug, when my kids are not are going without stuff at school, you know, we're struggling to get by because she is taking that money and spending it on her weight loss drugs. It is already broke tax to the max family. Her kids are, you know suffering because she's taking these drugs.

Caitlin Green  11:36  
I also like guys that spend this money on therapy, please. This is what I mean

Jann Arden  11:41  
she panic because they say as soon as you go off of these drugs, and this is more or more weight comes back. This is a lifetime commitment.

Caitlin Green  11:50  
Yeah, if that's the type of thing that your doctor is genuinely recommending to you for diabetic reasons, because you're weighing the risk and reward and it's a value to you, then, obviously, look, you know, listen to what your doctor says. Beyond that, I think recognizing the role that vanity is playing in it and how what that says about the society that you operate in and your own self worth, I think it's an important conversation to dig a little bit deeper on to say nothing of the fact that you're injecting yourself with a needle every day. That's, that's some, I would have a hard time with that if it wasn't deemed medically necessary. If I had to medically do it. I'd be like, whatever, I can tough it out. If I was like, oh, no, I'm so worried about how I look. And I've jacked myself. Not even have someone else do it. And like where's it going in your leg? Are you you're injected into somebody okay? Yeah, so I like it's, it's a lot. It's a lot. Well, listen,

Jann Arden  12:44  
I at one point, I considered it. I'm like, I technically should probably lose 25 pounds, but I'm a fit person. I'm in the gym a lot. I love to eat. I probably do way more carbs. But yeah, I've been that person kind of my whole life. I've been up and down. But I think I'm 160 363 pounds. I'm five foot three, which is definitely I should be like 140 100. And you know, I should be there. It's so funny

Sarah Burke  13:12  
how different bodies are so like, I am five, four. I'm one inch taller than you. And right now I've just built a bunch of muscle because I've been training hard and I'm at 160 Isn't that so funny? How different bodies look, this is the thing doesn't matter what's on the scale. I

Jann Arden  13:25  
was kind of shocked when I stepped on the scale. I'm like, Huh, okay. And I've got you know, the double D boobs. I carry stuff on my tummy. But I mean, I, I'm always glad that I can do hard hikes and 45 minute cardio, and I've added weights like I'm doing weights now. But I look at myself and I'm like, Huh, you look a good girl. Like, yeah, I don't. I don't stop in front of a mirror. Like I'm a solid person. You don't grab me and it's flabby. That's

Sarah Burke  13:53  
what I was gonna say. I know, I think that way when I'm considering you know, someone but like when I'm on my own. I'm happy like, I'm not worried. I'm very confident on my crush you.

Caitlin Green  14:06  
I mean, I just I think yeah, like I have. I've been heavier when I was not working out not watching what I ate. I've lost the way you had

Jann Arden  14:17  
a baby II. Yeah, I had to. Yeah, you know what you did? You

Caitlin Green  14:23  
did I two C sections. I had I gained pregnancy weight like, I've like I've been there. I will say that my default body setting is naturally slim, so far. That can change with so much with age and with hormones and all of these things. But yeah, I definitely think there is a fixation societally on how we all look and it triggers for different people in different ways. And I just think a little more curiosity about where that comes from and why and it is probably necessary for everybody or with the increase in ozempic I I also want to say ozempic face is a real thing. So for many people who are like looking for this rail thin bought Sharon Osbourne Sharon Osbourne exact she

Jann Arden  15:08  
looks, she looks so unwell and another person Shania

Caitlin Green  15:12  
Twain, and Scott Disick for men to ozempic ozempic It's making people look gaunt and older and unhealthy.

Jann Arden  15:20  
I take me anytime, any fucking time, I will take my body over that shit.

Sarah Burke  15:27  
Right Agree,

Caitlin Green  15:28  
Agree. It's just it's not I'm not super comfortable with it. So I don't you knew it was gonna be a slippery slope. The second that it came around the second this drug came around and it became popular. And it was the whispers in Hollywood. That's how everyone was losing weight. And then they came out with it and admitted it, which needed to happen. It's just you knew was going to be weird. Well,

Jann Arden  15:47  
if that's your currency, if if you are putting your appear appearance, like your weight above other things in your life, your character, your good heart, your ability to inspire others your ability to be part of your community. I think women in particular and I'll just put this out there, please encourage each other. Please tell your pals they look good. Please encourage them to put on a bathing suit. Please tell them that those jeans are great. Please tell them that. Oh my god, that's so cute on you. Please encourage your friends, lift them up and encourage them.

Sarah Burke  16:24  
People miss an entire summer because they don't want to be seen in a bathing suit. They miss entire lifetimes. On a podcast I edited recently. Sara Nicole Landry Burt's papaya on Instagram. She was saying that she was so upset about missing so much with her kids before the last one that she had during the pandemic because there were a bunch of years in between and that she's wearing her bathing suits. She's got it like a new Sports Illustrated thing she just did with NYX she is not missing another summer she is you know all about being competent in her body as it is and I love her

Jann Arden  16:58  
when you get here I'm going to be in my orange bikini. With my side boob fat coming out my cellulite. I'm going to be in there with my D alcohol is Corona Corona, please sponsor us I love I love your I love your son beer that you have those Coronas those DT No alcohol.

Caitlin Green  17:16  
I love those. When I was pregnant, I drank those things like crazy. They're the best.

Sarah Burke  17:20  
I have been on a Peroni kick, and Roni and it's so delicious. Well, obviously

Jann Arden  17:25  
Peroni stole their name from Caroni. Corona. Okay, if you're on ozempic out there, and you're trying to manage your weight, I guess I am backtracking right now. Because I don't want to discourage you. Some people have come to a wall in their life, where they cannot budge, they cannot move that number. It's affecting their mental health. So I am going to apologize, and I am going to back up a bit. Because if that's helping you, and if it's making you happier if it's giving you hopefulness, if getting into that smaller size, you know what? Good on you. I guess I'm being really hypocritical, but I'm saying whatever makes you feel good, do it. But if you're feeling pressured, because you think that's how you're supposed to be. That's I think our argument here on the podcast today is you're good no matter what you are, but we also want you to be in good health, we want your heart to keep ticking away. We want you to be able to walk with your kids, we want you to be able to do all those things. But you know, find I guess it's balance. Hey, guys finding that Beza thing. It's

Caitlin Green  18:29  
like there's always like things go too far. And then it's unhealthy. And then things are you know, so long as you're checking in and doing like the I would say like the internal look work of like, how is this making me feel? How am I engaging with it? Is it healthy for me emotionally? Then, you know, go right ahead. But it's not. It's not, it doesn't seem like, again, for all the celebs that are doing this all the time, it doesn't always seem like there's necessarily a healthy conversation happening

Jann Arden  18:54  
when it's not about that. It's about being super, super skinny. And that's also what Hollywood expects

Caitlin Green  18:58  
a lot of them to look like, and they live in a world where that is rewarded. And it's rewarded with career opportunities, and with positive feedback, and, and more PR deals and all these things so you can see how it happens. But again, it's just that curiosity about is this healthy, and what role do I play in a larger system that is designed to make people spend money because we have told them to hate themselves? Like that's just not cool. That's fair.

Jann Arden  19:21  
Caitlin. That's very fair. And well said. We are just going to take a real quick break. We're gonna be right back. Don't go away. You're listening to the Jann Arden podcast.

Moving on to diarrhea, because that's what we do.

Unknown Speaker  19:41  
Well, there's a connection. Katelyn profit

Jann Arden  19:42  
story. I'm just gonna hand it over to you. It's Gwyneth Paltrow. It's apparently a goop party. But fuck Caitlyn. This is This is so funny. What's the scoop on the goop? Well,

Sarah Burke  19:53  
it's related to poop.

Caitlin Green  19:57  
And it's also related in a weird way to ozempic

Jann Arden  19:59  
Oh my god. Thought is there, we've learned it. See, we are not randos here. We

Caitlin Green  20:04  
thought you did that on purpose. I fucking we are well. Okay, so what happened was there's these, there's a thing in the entertainment news world called a blind item where a publication or a tabloid will come out with a story that is making its way through the Whisper networks of Hollywood or New York or wherever. And but they they'll give semi identifying details about who this story is about, but they won't actually come out and say it because they're afraid of litigation. I'm convinced you are an LA Pei I should be I would love I would love that job. I would love to be the demo of Canada. So anyways, so this story comes out. It was a blind Adam, I forget if it was dumb, wah or if it was somewhere else. But anyways, it was said that Gwyneth Paltrow was going around telling her famous friends inclusive of the Seinfeld's, you know, and everyone else and saying that she had this party at her estate in the Hamptons, and that a guest who was staying for the weekend, suffered from an explosive round of diarrhea in bed, and then instead of notifying her and taking ownership of the issue just fled the scene of the crime. And

Sarah Burke  21:15  
she was she knows who was stay in the room. Well, but so this so she

Caitlin Green  21:20  
knows who it was. But then it starts going around in the New York and Hollywood Hampton circles. And everyone wants to reveal who it is, but nobody wants to be the person who reveals it. So it's going around, it's going around and then everyone starts playing this guessing game of who had who literally shit the bad at Gwyneth Paltrow house. And it turned out to be a longtime celebrity sort of style commentator, man about town, who you likely won't know who isn't even like a household name, named Derek Blasberg. And this poor guy now I know I'm sorry to because this is embarrassing. That story. I mean, people that is the truth, but I just love that the Daily Mail UK, you know, really down there at the bottom of the barrel, sometimes for celebrity news stories, starts covering this as if it was an election as if this was you know, a man hunt. And they find out they're like, Oh, was it was celebrity hanger on Derek Blasberg? What

Jann Arden  22:23  
does this have to do with ozempic?

Caitlin Green  22:25  
He apparently blamed it on ozempic. And that was what pick the stats, what kind of the story gained some traction because then all these celebrities who take it and have talked about it, don't want everyone going around thinking that gastric has side effects is okay. Yeah. They don't want everyone thinking. Tyrion bed commonly,

Sarah Burke  22:43  
like it couldn't be all the alcohol you're drinking or, or

Caitlin Green  22:47  
other substances. Like yeah, I feel like there. It's a big party. And maybe you had too many tacos, who the heck knows. But I guess the complaint was that it was ozempic cause diarrhea. And then everyone starts coming out and saying, oh, Sam pick doesn't do that. And now I'm like, how much time has everyone in the tabloid world devoted to tracking down this poor guy who just is guilty of kind of being a human being like I felt bad for him. He's never going to leave. This story won't leave now.

Sarah Burke  23:17  
Poor guy.

Jann Arden  23:19  
I am so glad that I'm not like a famous person. Because I have. I have peed my pants.

Sarah Burke  23:28  
The plane story. It's stuck in my brain, the plane that was a fart, but it wasn't a shard. No,

Jann Arden  23:35  
I didn't show it. I did not show it on the plane. I farted and people around me started coughing. Because it was so bad. I had some stomach issues. And it was one of those really quiet flights, we probably have been in the air for three and a half hours and I was slowly trying to hold farts in so that they didn't make any noise. I mean, a good place to fart is on a plane because you have enough white noise that you can get away with, you know, pretty good loud fart. Just saying when you travel a lot, you know these things. But when you do have when you hit a stinky patch, which I rarely rarely ever have in my life, I mean that earnestly. People around me were coughing. But anyway, and this is I've told the story many times but I did. I had diarrhea. I had come from Africa. I was now in Germany. I hadn't really dealt with a parasite that I had in my stomach. It was terrible. I was slowly taking these pills, but I got on stage in Cologne, Germany. Oh, the irony is not lost on me cologne. And on the first song. I had liquid hot poo going down my legs like down my pant legs into my boot. And I literally like had tears. I just felt like bursting out crying. It was a showcase. I just I was so upset and I was so and I was pinching my bomb together and I'm trying to sing and and I just stayed up there the whole time and rustling looking and could

Caitlin Green  25:01  
I be your girl with diarrhea?

Jann Arden  25:03  
Yeah, yeah. You want to hit this? I know you do. I know you do. But I just Yeah. So these moments where you do have, you know, I've certainly had experiences in my life when I've been really sick, you know, with the flu and not made it or whatever. And I anyway, that was like in public it was I wasn't drunk or drinking, I obviously wasn't on any kind of weight loss medication. And I shit my pants. I ended up. I begged Russell after the show was over and I had to do an encore. So when before we went onstage, I did burst into tears. And I said to Ross, you know, I'm pooped my pants. And he goes, it's okay, buddy. I said, Can you see it and I'm spinning around for him, so that he can look at me anything showing and he's like, earnestly looking at lifting up my jacket. There's something to be said for a girl that always wears jackets and long shirts and shit like that. It is and he lifted up my shirt, and he said, I don't see any poo. You know, this is true friendship.

Sarah Burke  25:59  
I didn't realize how close you're going. Oh, we were

Jann Arden  26:02  
and now and I was just I was trying. He's like, Oh, we come on by, we can do it. And we went back out. And I think you know, we're singing Good mother. As an encore. This would have been in the 90s Haven't even

Caitlin Green  26:13  
encore with diarrhoea is cruel and unusual punishment.

Sarah Burke  26:16  
why don't why don't you just call the Encore off the one.

Jann Arden  26:21  
I just couldn't. People were like, oh, it's Germany. They're like, they got their beer steins and they're, they're weighing in pretzels in the air. And I'm just like, I gotta go do this. Kidding, of course. And anyway, I ended up Chris Russell went and got my suitcase. afterwards. I'm now crying in the bathroom stall. He's rolled my suitcase in, I roll these pants up and I fucking stuffed them in the garbage. But I'm so self conscious that I've now wrapped I'm wrapping these Puhi and it was like watery. It was like why it was so awful. So I wrapped them in all these paper towels to put the pants in the garbage because I was so embarrassed of even house, the the janitors finding this stuff. And then I got myself cleaned up and I threw the underpants in the garbage and I got a paper towel and I got soapy and I washed my legs off and I'm bawling my head off and and then I put on clean jeans and it just felt so good to put on clean jeans and get out of there and my heart was Skippy like of course I was just anyway, it is not fun to put your pants. So Derek, I'm sorry that we've outed you. And I'm trying to I'm obviously telling the story that is more horrible than your story. I would have rather shit the bed at Gwyneth Paltrow 's house. Then go through what I went through, I'd rather be in Glennis 1400 Fucking thread count sheets and shit in them, then go through what I went through

Sarah Burke  27:44  
with an audience.

Caitlin Green  27:45  
Yeah, well, and then you think about to like, I listened to you know, from Weekend Update on SNL, Colin joste. He said a conversation that he had early on in his relationship with Scarlett Johansson, who he's now married to was that he frequently shut his pants. And when he realized that she never had, he's like, I approach this from a place of Isn't this an annual occurrence for most people? And she was like, No, this has never happened to me. And he was like, Oh, I might have like digestive issues. And she was like, Yeah, you should probably go talk to your doctor, if this happens a lot. But I was like, This guy could have had Norwalk like he could have had norovirus, because when I was in New York, and I was super sick, I'll tell you Yeah, before I got on that flight when I left the hotel that day, and I left the safety of being within six feet of a toilet. I was so full of Imodium and gravel I cannot even tell you. I I don't think I ate properly for a full week after like it's a mess. And so what are you supposed to do you get food poisoning you happen to be at Gwyneth Paltrow house it's like the worst possible situation but you crapped the bed and anyone who has had any kind of pants ruining incident knows there is no greater fear in life than when you are a part of a society that is going to very publicly shame you for this but like you can't help it. I once got so high that I thought I peed my pants I'll say that I did. Oh, you got so high something else? Yeah, I smoke so much weed when I was in high school once at a party that I convinced myself that I peed my pants because you I don't know if anyone else ever has this but if you if you get too high sometimes i

Jann Arden  29:13  
i will never smoke. I've never smoked weed. I don't know Do you remember this

Caitlin Green  29:17  
thing where what you feel like sometimes when you get too high? You hope you realize when you go to the bathroom? You're like I've been holding my pee for like two hours shrooms but not wait. Okay, interesting. So weed for me

Jann Arden  29:26  
so glad people I love hearing the stories of the young people

Sarah Burke  29:30  
and shrooms hurt you're telling me

Caitlin Green  29:33  
they can't oh they definitely can't Yeah, don't give yourself a hefty dose of mushrooms everyone if you're not I still

Jann Arden  29:38  
think about you seeing cubed people but everything was cubed x cubed. Caitlyn took some shrooms years ago and and everything was fine and then that two hour mark everything kicks in and the fucking dogs were cube the cars were cube the people were cube they were like i

Caitlin Green  29:54  
i literally stepped foot like my one foot exited the elite Go nightclub i was in, and I walked outside. And everything transitioned from regular life to Cubism. And I was like, I'm gonna have to this is gonna be an interesting car ride home. And it was it was really fun. My cute, my square driver was wonderful. And I didn't have any stomach issues. So it was great.

Jann Arden  30:16  
Oh my god, I think I would be falling 911 I just have no, I just reality. I don't know. But those are really, really funny stories I've heard so many are

Caitlin Green  30:27  
finding ways. They're like, they're so funny.

Sarah Burke  30:30  
I feel like the bathroom is like a chapter when it resets. Almost like when you go to the bathroom. Yes. When you're alone with yourself, and maybe not in the comfort of other people for those few minutes. You're like, oh, how, like, how much am I feeling this? Or did I pay my rent or whatever

Jann Arden  30:45  
I believe for this conversation is gone.

Caitlin Green  30:47  
Oh, my. Or sometimes you're not aware of what's like of like how you're doing on the scale of things. And then I'll go to my friend's bathroom and the floor is tiled and the floors like breathing? And I'm like, okay, okay. All right. Well, we've thought about

Jann Arden  31:01  
now. Do you think those days are over for you, Caitlin? Like, as far as you've got? Well, and, and yeah, you know, you're 40 now and not that age should I mean, I know people that just start taking mushrooms when they're 75.

Caitlin Green  31:17  
My father is on a waitlist to go to Burning Man. So like, I don't know that. I mean, so yeah, it just depends. I also like when I say mushrooms, I'm not talking like a hero dose. Like I'm talking like micro doses. I don't like the feeling of being out of control. It is undesirable to me. So I think the thing with things like micro dosing, and the conversation that now happens around certain drugs, like mushrooms and weed, for sure, is around like smaller, teeny, tiny doses so that you're never going too far. And you're entering things up at a rate with which you're comfortable. And of course, this is like everyone has to be the right age. So I do feel like Yeah, I know, my constitution. I'm not an addictive personality, like thank God, I just am

Sarah Burke  32:00  
not if Welbeck would have will became a cue what I can see

Caitlin Green  32:03  
now that's the thing. That's the problem. You're like, as a parent, you really never want to be in a situation where you're in trouble with like your psyche and your surroundings. Because like if things go sideways, it's like, it's not good. And I'm an anxious person as well. So like, I can't really enjoy that the same way. I don't even like being hung over around him even slightly, because I just feel like a deadbeat. So yeah, that changes. But I mean, as he gets older, or when you have time away with your partner, if we're like traveling or something like that, who's to say, so I don't know. I'm not sure. And I didn't even like I didn't I was like, I was freaked out by mushrooms when I was a lot younger, too. So I don't know, man, I can't I won't rule it out.

Jann Arden  32:44  
Well, I'm, I'm a fan of all that stuff. And by that, I mean, I would much rather see people doing mushrooms and smoking pot or taking CBD or any of those tinctures than alcohol anytime I think alcohol ruins lives, rooms bodies. I've talked about this before, you don't see stone guys jumping out of their cars on a Saturday night beating the shit out of each other. They they're like, Hey, nice shirt. Love your car, man. It's cool. Let's go back to your place and eat stuff. Like, hey,

Caitlin Green  33:19  
you're in your cube, right? Yeah.

Jann Arden  33:20  
Holy crap, man. You look like I don't know why. But I really am a fan of the medical medicinal, those qualities and all the all the tests are doing with PTSD and LSD, all the different little, like you said, these micro doses, I think there's there's good things coming in the future for people that suffer from depression and chronic anxiety. And

Caitlin Green  33:40  
well, especially for things like PTSD. And I think that there is a lot of, if you're curious about it, and you want to look into it, and like study it, there's a lot of there's a lot of benefits, and because so many of these substances were deemed illegal. And were just given this classification, that meant they were never actually researched. And we don't know, the full potential of them. But I mean, you look at how, for example, you know, indigenous societies have used things like peyote over over like years and years, and they use it to treat things like trauma quite successfully, like trauma within the communities that the trauma of systemic racism, but also people who are alcoholics, and they'll talk about sort of this like, mind altering thing in a good way, like changing, making, you know, increasing your work connecting to spirit connecting to spirit. And also like, when you're on certain types of these drugs, you know, there's a thing called neuroplasticity, which means that you're more open to the suggestion and introduction of positive ideas if you've been stuck in a very negative mental space and, and that's just a habit that your brain has to be trained out of. So, again, if anyone's ever interested in this stuff, there's a great author called Michael Pollan. He's He's a journalist, and I believe he's a professor at a few universities as well. And he wrote a book called This Is your mind on plants. And I just like his work, I read it along time ago, he's done some great work around, you know, diet and just health in general. And he explores the, you know, since humans were on this planet, we have looked to alter our state of mind, with plants, whether that's caffeine, whether that's, you know, peyote, whether that is, you know, the history of opioids, he really dug into it. And I thought, from a, from a kind of investigative perspective, it's really interesting stuff. It can be really interesting couple of great podcasts

Sarah Burke  35:29  
if you want to check them out to bioactive who's a good one, okay. With like a ton of research. It's, it's hosted by a professor in the States, who actually does research on the chemistry of all the drugs and the psychotherapist on the network, spicy fat, and Carlene Kosta. She's certified to implement and integrate cannabis or psilocybin into patients that she's Yeah.

Caitlin Green  35:50  
And I mean, cool. I have friends who were you know, drug resistant or friends, family members who were drug resistant to antidepressants, and they had medically supervised ketamine sessions.

Jann Arden  36:01  
Yeah, that's supposed to be helping to. Yeah, there's

Caitlin Green  36:04  
lots of potential here so I just answered Yeah, I sway away from you know, like making any grand declaration me

Jann Arden  36:10  
I'm never going to do that either. And I'm also all into someone who has a glass of red wine because they want to relax at night. You know, I mean, everything has has a place but he

Caitlin Green  36:21  
also in his book, Michael Pollan talks about how there is like a I guess an ancient sort of saying, that says the poison is in the dose, meaning you can die from over consuming water. So as substance can be lethal with the wrong dose aspirin,

Jann Arden  36:35  
Advil, there's so many Tide Pods, you never want to do more than one of those don't

Caitlin Green  36:41  
have more than one time or whatever. But like you just the key in life, I believe is pretty well always moderation.

Jann Arden  36:56  
Listen, while we're still on farting, shitting drugs and stuff like that. This is another story that Caitlyn brought to the table, and it's a Delta flight. And I read about this as well. Imagine 300 people on a flight, it's summer travel, even things are delayed. You finally get on your plane, you sit in there and they served a meal. I don't know if

Caitlin Green  37:17  
there's any two scarier words in the English language put together than spoiled meat. When I hear spoiled, don't have to tell me twice.

Sarah Burke  37:25  
Yeah, exactly.

Caitlin Green  37:26  
Exactly. So this is what this is what was apparently the culprit onboard it was that there was a some sort of spoiled meat that was served to people as part of their in flight meal. And so it starts that people are really quite sick,

Jann Arden  37:41  
two bathrooms on a plane. Imagine 300 people, they

Caitlin Green  37:45  
immediately decide that they're like this is now too far gone. We have to land the plane, too many people are sick. So they make this emergency landing. And emergency medical responders met the plane when it arrived and immediately treated 12 passengers. So they said they don't know how many 277 people on board. They don't know how many of them got sick. But yeah, Delta just basically said, you know, we apologize to our customers for the inconvenience and delay in their travels. But I just increasingly do not feel like I have an axe to grind with air travel. Like why does it feel so much worse? I know everything in life feels a little bit worse lately, since like the pandemic and everything. But if I hear one more story about like a Boeing whistleblower, you know, killing themselves in their car, or like a plane just auto landing itself or diarrhea running down the aisle of a plane or someone trying to, you know, on the hook the emergency door mid flight, I'm like, we need trains. We need trains back everyone, we need high speed rail, I think we need to go back to like a steamboat era.

Jann Arden  38:42  
I feel we need a paddle wheeler, we need some paddle wheelers,

Caitlin Green  38:47  
we jumped the shark on air travel, because every two days, there's a story that makes me never want to get on a plane again.

Sarah Burke  38:54  
What about a simple ride on mower? You know, point A to point B is good

Jann Arden  38:58  
listen, when you have a system called capitalism, that that fuels your economy. So this is about saving money, you cannot tell me that someone made a decision to serve things that were improperly stored somewhere along that chain of command. Someone made a decision to pack up, you know, 320 meals, put them on a plane that may have been left out or I just find it very suspect that that many meals are tainted, that means a lot of food that was stored in one communal place. But anyway, it's about saving money and it's about how can how cost effective Can We Be and it always takes it getting to that point now they're going to be facing lawsuits I mean, Boeing they're just they're going to be pleading guilty for and they owe like $250 million in fines. I think it should be more and that's with you know 737 Max Yeah, with all those crashes that were not coincidental. They were definitely you know, Mike well, and then the whistleblowers all wound up dead isn't That's interesting. And

Caitlin Green  40:00  
then they and then but one of the Boeing executives when he was being questioned, in front of some form of the US government admitted to the fact that they were targeting these whistleblowers with intimidation campaigns. So whether or not they're, you know, directly or indirectly responsible for giving someone a mental health crisis, like who knows, but the whistleblower some of them were frequently people who were commenting on the fact that they had rolled back their, their unions, they had rolled back their unionized safety checks at these plants that were building the planes. And so they said, it's no surprise to us that these planes have become less and less safe, the more you erode. Unions and the effectiveness of the unions that and their desire to do their job, the worse, you know, like you said, Jan, like it's all just coming down to saving a buck.

Jann Arden  40:49  
It sure is. Well, the WestJet pilot, the mechanics that went on strike two weeks ago, that they're still trying to catch up with, like 150,000 odd, you know, people that were their travel was really disrupted, but those mechanics just wanted more money. And the argument could be like, there's a lot of people out there, listen, if you don't like what you're making in your job, quit your job, go find another job. Because really, that is the baseline of everyone working everywhere on the planet. Right now, whether you're working at a coffee shop, whether you're working in retail, whether you're working people obviously want to make more money. So when you have a group of individuals that strike, they're in very important jobs, the feeling for me is these are guys that are obviously in very, very important positions, like you said, the safety and the maintenance of these aircrafts that are used, sometimes for 2436 hours at a time they pull in their refuel, they go, and I know that there's a point where they absolutely have to be parked, they have to be looked at, and the maintenance is quite, quite stringent. But you know, you're like, just fucking pay these people because they could make our lives really hard. And who's looking after the plane? So there's a sense of urgency there.

Caitlin Green  41:56  
Yeah. And it also depends on what's happening with the company financially on its own, right. So if you say to yourself, well, you're giving for executives, 10s of millions of dollars in bonuses annually, but you're refusing to pay the people who actually construct your planes and are responsible for the safety, security and well being of your passengers, the appropriate amount. And if you structure the bonuses of these executives, on not giving any raises to their employees, which is frequently the case. So you think to yourself, these managers are rewarded each year financially for not increasing their costs of their budgets. And so when they, when they, when you create a financial incentive for the one person in charge of hundreds, to never reward them or pay them properly, you've lost any sort of moral or ethical argument about how much you can or can't afford. And it's the same thing we see with you know, the grocery barons, I was gonna

Jann Arden  42:53  
say that's the global economic system that is the entire system globally is the very few that are in charge of billions of us and control the narrative of how the world economic stage really functions. I mean, they're having the NATO Summit right now and I think they're in New York City meeting for three days and it's like the richest people deciding what's going to happen to the poorest people yeah

Caitlin Green  43:21  
and and that's and so we are a little I will say like you can feel it you know, in the global climate and with the news headlines like we're little overdue for some movement in that area not

Jann Arden  43:32  
gonna see them get bad fucking chicken at any their dinners. I'll guarantee you that right now. They're not they're not gonna be they're not gonna be shitting anywhere.

Caitlin Green  43:40  
No, they're pooping probably on the poor. Like it's very, it's very clear the way this works. So I do again, if you see like a strike happen, and you are personally inconvenienced by said strike, say here, for example, in Ontario with the LCBO. And you find yourself saying, well who work with their Rick and then they can go quit their job tell

Jann Arden  43:59  
people what the LCBO is for people listening that don't know what that is. The Liquor

Caitlin Green  44:03  
Control Board of Ontario is the government body that is in charge of

Jann Arden  44:08  
selling alcohol run by the government and controlled by the government.

Caitlin Green  44:11  
It is a very rare piece of government asset that actually makes a ton of money. So for it to go on strike. They're on strike right now for two weeks. I think we're losing hundreds of millions of dollars probably in in lost revenue that goes directly towards funding things like

Jann Arden  44:25  
your premier has created websites to direct people to to non governmental places to buy their wine and beer and their liquor. Were just so funny. The

Caitlin Green  44:37  
intent behind this is fairly obvious. I think it's on fairly clear display that if we lived in a society during the pandemic, where we had regular citizens scrambling to put together a website to point out where you could go get COVID vaccinations or find COVID tests, but the government has the LCBO go on strike and immediately puts together a real time map of where You can buy alcohol, I think you can recognize that oh my god. So we're living in an Idiocracy. Like that's truly what's actually happened. And so and

Sarah Burke  45:08  
great cottage, Mr. Ford that you're showing off there as you're on the grill. I

Caitlin Green  45:12  
like a cottage, I just also think people should be able to find a doctor. Yeah, they

Jann Arden  45:16  
can create that. But that's exactly right. They cannot create a real time map where there's a doctor right now, that is actually can take 200 patients in the next three weeks. So please sign up, but

Caitlin Green  45:27  
there shouldn't exist. But in you know, and again, it says this through line, this is this Bukka beer. This is this booze being sold at convenience stores. There's a theme, there's a theme here behind leaning things towards privatization, assuming that you the general public are dumb, and you will be tricked by things like dollar beers into letting go of your health care and your education. And it does work for some people. Because again, then you see the strikes happen. And everyone's like, if they don't like the job, they should quit, this person makes more money than I do. I'm like, that's not the fault of that worker, however, and the LCBO makes a fortune. And they should and could, you know, engage more meaningfully with their workers about what a fair deal would look like. And the answer is ultimately not going to be to privatize the sale of alcohol, because we would then lose this very, very incredible revenue generating stream for things like health care, and schools and roads, you want to complain about the roads falling apart. It's all connected. So I think that it's easy to be annoyed immediately with the strike, especially like when it's an airline and your flights, your you know, when you're really put out by things like that. But the larger system that that is a part of is kind of the more important conversation to have. Because I want safety checks for planes. I don't know about everyone else. But I really liked the idea of well, yeah, I

Jann Arden  46:46  
think we all do, we all want to be safe up there. But But like you said, there's a lot of things falling through the cracks. More and more people are flying since COVID kind of officially ended. Traveling has gone up exponentially. I mean, travel all over the world. They're, they're even trying to, like have selling times, like even at the Parthenon, like say in Greece, were used to you know, people could just show up and go visit their favorite monuments and things like that, and just walk around freely. And now sort of in the last 1012 months, you have to get a time and a ticket. And they're only allowing so many people at a time did that. Yeah, exactly. There's a lake here called Emerald lake that's about an hour and 20 minutes directly west from here and it's this beautiful, it's a mountain lake it's glacial water as you can pass it the silt in the in the lake makes it this incredible emerald color. And you used to be able to drive there like up until like even a year ago, drive your car up Park. It was a it was a nuts getting a parking spot. But eventually, if you waited, you'd get one. Well now you cannot drive a car up there. You have to park at the bottom of the hill in these massive parking lots now take bosses up and you have to have reservations to go because they're so overwhelmed by tourism. And it's kind of sad, like even going to Banff Lake Louise now, it's almost impossible. You're shoulder to shoulder just getting around because tourism has just people are are out doing stuff. I'm not sure what or why I just want to be home. So I'm not going to be one of those people wandering around. But are you

Caitlin Green  48:22  
have you seen what's been happening in Barcelona that's popped up recently. So in Barcelona, they have all these anti tourism protesters, yes, that are now firing water pistols at tourists when they see them, you know, in these tourist heavy parts of the city. And they assume that they're tourists. I mean, I don't know that they're caring. They're not wearing like a badge that says tourists, but they assume that they're not locals. And yeah, it's this. It's very getting shot, I would think so to someone

Jann Arden  48:48  
pointing a water pistol at you and squeezing water. I mean, the sad part is, is that tourism fuels, almost all of these economies full stop, period. It's tourism that, you know, Greece is in such an economic disaster it that government is so broken, that countries broke. If it wasn't for tourism, in those places, there would be a lot more problems over there than there is now so that the tourists are a blessing and a curse. I get that. But it's just part of the world in

Caitlin Green  49:18  
Barcelona, I think. And a major thing that has really changed, you know, within recent years is that you can rent private apartments now on Airbnb. And so they're saying that you're contributing to the housing crisis in many of these popular tourist destinations. So they're saying that everywhere Exactly. So it's like their that was part of the protests that popped up in Barcelona, but the same sentiment exists in New York or London or Paris or here in Toronto. And, and they are also saying that while tourism yes is a huge economic boost for all of these cities, the money that is brought in from tourism is then never trickled down to social services. So as much as you know, they're like, Yeah, sure. It brings in a lot of But again the question becomes for who? But I just saw the footage of these people who clearly just wanted to go see like the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona and they were just sitting there eating their patatas bravas getting squirt, it was terrible. I mean like it's it's one way to get your message across because now it's what I'm talking about it I read it in the headlines, but I just felt bad for all the families I saw. I was like, well, that's kind of a bummer.

Jann Arden  50:24  
Did we get any voice notes? This week?

Sarah Burke  50:27  
Sarah, we have messages but no voice notes and I'm happy to read you a few what's going

Jann Arden  50:31  
on with people what? We need voice notes people am I going to have to start forming our own site again, I'm going to I'm gonna leave a voice as soon as I hang up from this podcast. I'm leaving us a voicemail. So we got some messages. Also,

Sarah Burke  50:42  
we have put some posts out on all our socials about the Ask Us and yes episode that we'll do in the near future. voice notes will be played in the Ask Us Anything episode. So if you got a question, might as well try voice notes. And we will

Jann Arden  50:55  
try and answer the uncomfortable stuff to like don't think we're just going to skip to like the obvious. These questions we're going to maybe I'll pick some questions for Caitlin and I'll pick some questions for you guys don't get to pick your own questions. And I won't pick my own questions either the girls can pick for me. And I promise there's a three way but tell you other places that I've shed. Okay, go ahead.

Caitlin Green  51:17  
You guys did that ask me kind of ask us questions thing when you were on tour with Rick Mercer and I love what's out. There was one question that was the celebrity throttle. Who would you be in a celebrity throttle with? I thought that was funny. But I'm just trying to get everyone's like creative juices flowing. Because sometimes when you say like ask a question. I think it's hard to like, think of what you'd even want to know.

Sarah Burke  51:35  
A lot of people were like, Oh my God, how long do I have to think about this? I want to have a really good question. So you have time

Caitlin Green  51:40  
you have lots of time. But also you can just ask like, you can ask anything you want

Jann Arden  51:44  
virginity what buildings I've thrown up on in Calgary worst sexual experience. Best concert worst concert people that I have a crush on right now. Oh,

Caitlin Green  51:58  
hottest topic in the group chat. Does your group chat have a name? And if so what is it? You could ask us about?

Jann Arden  52:03  
It's gonna be a whole hour of questions. So your questions could very well make it on.

Sarah Burke  52:08  
So here's what we got in the last week. Heather has written in on our website. Hi, Jan. I was listening to one of your podcast recently and you mentioned the cost of walnuts at Safeway. My husband and I enjoy walnuts almost every day I buy them from a place called Rancho Vignola. Online they are located in Armstrong bc they sourced the nuts seeds and from around the world. The walnuts are the best I've ever had. I buy them in five pound bags, store them in the freezer. I'm confident that once you try these walnuts, you will never go back. Check them out online.

Jann Arden  52:36  
Thank you and I'm going to check them out. Okay, walnuts are frickin expensive.

Sarah Burke  52:41  
I know. Now this one came in at like two

Jann Arden  52:44  
in the morning. Okay, so we got somebody who's up Hey, Jan,

Sarah Burke  52:49  
I've listened to every episode of the show. Love them all. However, this has been one of the top five for sure that was for that last week's episode was last was Jeff versus Doug. I am 63 and can still relate to summer romance. But I'm here to tell you Jen, my favorite time to start a romance is February. In case you don't believe in love at first sight. This is a thing I lived it. And we both felt the same way still in love we've never married and on another note the B story Caitlin made my eyes sweat I can just picture the little boy and all the adults rallying around to help the beat I love it well done Keep up the great storytelling. You really do not need special guests unless it's me. Then you have your people call my people in which case I'll be happy

Jann Arden  53:35  
to join well thank you for that. No no that's really sweet. Thank you so much.

Sarah Burke  53:39  
So yeah, voice notes more voice notes next week we want to feature you in an upcoming episode so I'm calling in we understand you take vacations too but sending in a voice note is not a heavy

Caitlin Green  53:47  
lift. Also to some has been just like the Ask us anything it doesn't even have to be questions about you know our lives are the show it can also be you know for advice.

Jann Arden  53:57  
We can look up scientific shit to like if you have a quandary about we got the Google you know these girls, Caitlin and Sarah they can they can do some recon, they can find out. You guys are amazing. As always, thank you for being earnest and candid and forthright and bringing all these great stories week after week. Hope everyone's having a great summer. Hope you're listening to the Jan's jam summer playlist. I was listening to it all day yesterday. I had workers here working on my hot tub. We got a few little issues, but we're getting there.

Sarah Burke  54:27  
Did you tell them I made this playlist guys you should like I didn't say anything but

Jann Arden  54:31  
the very, very handsome Brazilian gentleman named Davidson who's a member of the Canadian bobsled team. Olympic bobsled team was in my yard yesterday. 30 years old and I had feelings for you Davidson. Like but what a nice guy. Anyway, he was they were both great him and Charlie did such a great job in my yard. But they both love the music. It was it was our summer jams. And so anyway, thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing. Thanks for leaving us a review. It helps As other listeners find our podcast, have a great rest of your weekend. It's going to be hot. I'm gonna let Caitlin leave you with just with a few thoughts about these heat warnings and stuff and then we'll say goodbye. Yes, but yeah, there's some shit going on the heat

Caitlin Green  55:13  
warning that's been happening all across Canada is pretty crazy. And here in Toronto, it's been you know, 40 degrees fairly regularly. And it's no it's, it's wild. But so they're telling everyone to really take the heat seriously, especially if you have let's say older neighbors or somebody who's like a vulnerable member of the population, especially if you know someone who doesn't have air conditioning a lot of these rental buildings in in Toronto us a lot of them in Quebec as well it's not having air conditioning at a rental apartment in Montreal is pretty commonplace. So shouldn't be any more schools need air conditioning homes need air conditioning, because they're saying it's leading to a spike in deaths across the globe. Because of you know, heat related deaths that happened during these crazy heat waves.

Jann Arden  55:56  
We're not built for it folks. We're just not built to hot

Caitlin Green  55:59  
genuinely I know we always say as Canadians and a fan doesn't cut it fan doesn't cut it and when people are like oh we complain all winter about the weather then we complain in the summer but like this is objectively too hot just from like a health perspective. So take it seriously if you have one of those little like, like the like a pug or a French Bulldog they can't be outside for very long everyone as an owner, former owner of a French bulldog

Jann Arden  56:19  
and their little feet on hot pavement man, you've got you've got flip flops on please do not take your dog on hot pavement you can really screw up their feet and for God's sakes if I see a dog in a car oh my god bust your fucking window well I'm gonna smash your fucking window and I will go to jail I don't give a shit. But if your dogs in there, I'm busting

Caitlin Green  56:37  
your butt I carry a tactical pen so I really will do it. So there you know it's

Jann Arden  56:41  
not right. There was a woman a few days ago that left her child and a thank God the child's Okay, she was in a casino and just wouldn't stop gambling and had her kid strapped in a car seat in a car.

Unknown Speaker  56:53  
Person well,

Jann Arden  56:55  
they caught her. They caught her and her child is now with hopefully family members. I don't think it went to social services but you know, she's just claiming it wasn't in there that long but they have video footage Okay. What about

Caitlin Green  57:08  
turn feathering? Can we bring that back Is that is that frowned upon? Now as a society

Jann Arden  57:12  
I would even go with honey and flax seeds. Because that would be god awful to

Caitlin Green  57:18  
nibble baking done in your own car.

Jann Arden  57:20  
The views of the show expressed by these women are not necessarily listen, just just be sensible out there. Drink your water. I was telling you girls A while ago I was walking in Toronto was two weeks ago. Thought you know left at noon from my condo and I scared myself 40 minutes in I dodged into a Starbucks. I was super overheated. I got myself like an $8 drink but I scared myself and I won't do that again. I'm golfing today. We're taking a cart. I'm wearing a hat. I'm wearing layers. I'm doing a linen long sleeve shirt. I'm doing SPF 5000 And I'm just gonna I'm gonna make sure we take it easy like I'm not pleased. March around. It's supposed to be 32 here today. So

Sarah Burke  58:04  
we've got I just opened the weather in Toronto right now we have two weather alerts, a heat warning and a special weather statement. Oh

Caitlin Green  58:10  
yeah, because hurricane burl are now Tropical Storm is making its way the remnants of it is making its way up here after it laid waste. You get some rain, get some rain. The warnings tomorrow could be up to 20 to 40 millimeters per hour. I'm

Sarah Burke  58:24  
bringing a rain poncho to the concert tonight. I'm scared. Yeah,

Caitlin Green  58:27  
I don't know. As you telling me that you're going to an outdoor concert tonight taking a bike there. I'm like, I might be in an

Jann Arden  58:33  
issue. Can you not Uber it down.

Sarah Burke  58:36  
But that's like 45 minutes I can get there and be in and out in 20 minutes. So

Caitlin Green  58:42  
you're making a great point on that. And I'm Pat hat

Sarah Burke  58:46  
how all the things a lot better. Okay, I bring a water I bring my refillable water bottle to the venue. Oh yeah.

Caitlin Green  58:52  
Shout out to that. What's that again? Can you mention it? A

Sarah Burke  58:55  
broadcast friend of Caitlin and i Her name is Sarah Christy. She has a great podcast called The Earth care show. And Jen you would love this because it's all like sustainable stuff. So she's she's got this fans choose to reuse campaign and they're these collapsible water bottles. The hideaway it's a 17 ounce collapsible I love that I can wear one of those little like everyone has the Lulu bag or the low from Costco, the flat one this fits and look awesome.

Caitlin Green  59:22  
Yes. And you can just fill it with water. That's fantast.

Sarah Burke  59:25  
So all these venues that you can just refill water, like I don't even need to buy a beer anywhere I just pull this out of my thing, and I'm good to go.

Jann Arden  59:33  
And can I just put this out there? Yeah, that could also act as an emergency diaphragm. If you don't want the Wiener going all the way in. I suggest you place that very carefully with the lid with a lid off. And that way you will not get pregnant. I'm just you know, I'm not a scientist. I'm not a doctor, but I'm saying if your vagina is big enough, you can use that.

Sarah Burke  59:57  
I'll put the link in the show notes if you're in Just but also on her website, there's a list of venues that allow for refillable water bottles. She's really into this stuff. So there you go. Okay,

Jann Arden  1:00:06  
so drumroll everyone, we are starting a Patreon. Okay, which is a place and you guys are familiar with Patreon I know you've heard that a lot from people about getting bonus material about getting photographs of getting first access to like hearing music clips from maybe somebody's new record, things like that, that will be very special. You can get all this stuff, video, audio behind the scenes, my dog barking will be included in this whole bunch of stuff. And we're just going to make sure that it's fresh and fun and exciting week after week. Don't you want to know what just got delivered to Caitlin and that we're going to show you that she got an A magical bag from God, I can't say anything, you can head to patreon.com/jann Arden pod, Patreon is P A T R e o n patreon.com/jen Arden pod, the link is going to be in our show notes. So if you're like me, and you can't remember what I just told you, you can go on the show notes. And as you know, we're working on merch So listen to this guy's the first 50 people to sign up for our Patreon. For five bucks a month. That's, that's less than a box of tampons. Okay,

Sarah Burke  1:01:20  
less than a Starbucks in most cases to a

Jann Arden  1:01:24  
coffee anywhere for God's sakes,

Caitlin Green  1:01:25  
it's the cheapest subscription, you'll have it it's the cheapest thing you're

Jann Arden  1:01:29  
gonna get. That's $1.25 a week. Okay, $1.25 a week, you're gonna get a brand new never before seen Jordan podcast t shirt as soon as they're ready. And all the bonus content, five bucks, Patreon.

Sarah Burke  1:01:44  
Take a chance on take a chance on us also, for

Caitlin Green  1:01:47  
all of the you know, dedicated Jan super fans who decide to join our Patreon, you're gonna get shout outs every week, you're gonna have special access to cool stuff that we're doing. We might even invite you to record we might even invite you to join the show and record

Jann Arden  1:02:00  
and you're going to be first on a list to get live tickets. We're going to be doing a live event this fall. Right now it's looking like October. We're working on it as we speak, really exciting. But we're gonna have all kinds of news about that in the next few weeks. Be the first to know Yeah. And so the Patreon you guys will have, you'll be first in line to access the tickets to come and see one of these live events. Your VIPs VIPs has lots of stuff to look forward to. So listen. What else does anyone else have any one thing to say about farting, throwing up summer diarrhea.

Sarah Burke  1:02:34  
We're gonna wrap it there.

Caitlin Green  1:02:35  
As someone who's already talked about tricking themselves into thinking they peed their pants when they were too high. I feel that I've given all I can give

Jann Arden  1:02:43  
you gave you gave all you could give today. We appreciate you week after week. We do have merch coming. We're gonna have a live event. We're just thinking about ways that we can give you more value for what you're listening to and bonus material. We're just finding ways to make us the best in the biggest possible podcasts that we can be. And we're in this to win it girls we are we're in it to win it. So get those questions in leave those voice notes. We will answer your questions in the next couple of weeks. I promise this episode will be on probably the first that they ask us anything will probably be the first week of August. And so you've got lots of time to get your questions in or your your query anything anything. So thanks guys. As usual, we'll see you next time truly did