Braces, Old Photographs, and Jann's Winnipeg Adventures

Jann Arden  0:07  
Well, hello. Welcome to the Jann Arden Podcast. I'm Jann Arden. What a great day to be alive, looking out into the trees. There is blue sky here in Alberta. I am here with Caitlin Green, who is in her home in Toronto, Ontario. I am here with Sarah Burke, who is in her home in Toronto, Ontario. Let me start out by saying welcome to all our listeners, old and new. Thank you to our only chance we say a special hello to you guys. Russ Richards, wherever you are, I'm saying a special hello to you. I have not heard from you for a long time, and we at the show. You're a friend of the show. And of course, we're concerned. If there's anyone that knows Russ and can send us a little white flag waving in the air to tell us that Russ is okay, no news is good news, as they say, right? Anyway, girls, welcome. Great to see you. And for some reason I feel like I haven't seen you for a long, long, long, long time. And that's just not the

Caitlin Green  1:04  
truth. I know I'm like, we record. We did. We recorded last week, but it, it was earlier in the week, I think, yeah, it's

Sarah Burke  1:12  
been a full seven days. Yeah, that's us. Yeah.

Jann Arden  1:17  
Um, well,

Unknown Speaker  1:18  
not sure.

Jann Arden  1:19  
Well, no, I was just trying to think about when it was and I get a little bit turned around because we record usually Monday or Tuesdays. We're not gonna lie, this is not a live undertaking. And so when the show comes on on Friday, it feels, I don't know, it just feels like a long time since I've actually seen you in person. So listen, there's lots to talk about today, and I really want to catch up with you guys. Caitlin, I have loved your pictures of, I guess, junior high. Oh my god, your little bowl cut, your little sweet Weezer shirt. We both thought of you Sarah, because you loved Weezer so much, and continue to love Weezer. But oh my god, going through old pictures. And I've been, I've been actually walking in your your foot path, because I've been cleaning the shop outside my dad's old workshop, and there was probably 20 boxes that we hadn't gone through yet. I'm not even anywhere near it, but one of the boxes we found a bunch of old pictures. One of them was of my dad lighting a cigarette with a hat. His belt buckle was over on the side of his hip. I thought you post this, and I've had so many comments about, oh no, that's a thing, you know, if you worked on cars, you didn't have your belt buckle in the front, scratching the car. One lady was like, my dad was a musician. He didn't like his belt buckle scratching his guitar when it was sitting in front of him. My dad was a fisherman. He didn't like the belt buckle when he leaned over the boat to scratch the boat, like it was a thing to wear your belt buckle on the side. And I assume if, well, if you're a guy, and you're only pulling your wiener out to pee through the little hole, you don't have to do the whole thing. Do a lot of guys pull their pants down to pee? I don't think so. I think this is the fly comes open, the Wiener comes out. Guys write us and tell us. I don't know what the mode is. Maybe I need to ask Chris. I don't have a boyfriend. I've

Caitlin Green  3:05  
never asked anyone that question, and I've never really done any research, so I don't know. But when I saw that photo of your dad, I thought maybe it was like a style at the time, I didn't quite get it, and then you commented that you're like, I'm going to start doing this. I am. I'm going to try it. It's a practical reason. I mean, I don't I don't work in a shop of any kind, so I don't think I'm at risk of scratching things with my belt buckle. But who knows, but it looks cool. It does look cool. He was

Jann Arden  3:29  
so slim. Anyway, your pictures were cute, and it is very alarming going through old photographs. And for you younger listeners, listen, photographs were an actual thing, like you were so excited to go pick up your pictures from the place where you got everything developed. And you'd sit in the car. You wouldn't even wait till you got home. You'd open it up. You would get a little envelope you had the negative in there, in case you ever wanted to get bigger ones. They gave you the negatives. And then you could get doubles or triples. Sometimes, I know that my parents are always ordered doubles of print. You could get glossy or you could get a matte finish, like it got quite modern in the 80s, crazy

Sarah Burke  4:10  
to think that there's a generation that doesn't even know about, like, holding the glossy or the matte photo absolutely well.

Caitlin Green  4:18  
And I also found that, like my girlfriends growing up, worked at like their high school job was working at a photo developing store in our neighborhood, and so they would get tons of copies. So we'd go in, we'd have our role from whatever cottage weekend or party or semi formal, and we'd get them all printed, and we get tons of copies, and everyone would bring them to school, and you would trade them. And there were so many old photos in there of me as, like a baby, but also all throughout the high school years, junior high and I have the same, I have, like, the same core group of girlfriends. So I was, like, taking photos as I was going through and sending it to our group chats and realizing, you know, we've all known each other since we were in braces. Oh yeah, the braces were adorable. Cool. Oh my gosh, those braces plagued eyebrows, lack of eyebrows. I posted it, and was so many people replied were like, Oh my god. This is amazing, because it's a picture of me, for anyone who doesn't follow me and didn't see it. It's a picture of me from my school photo, school photo day some year in high school. And you usually dress nice. You wear a dress you wear like a button up. Sure, like people look cute. I am wearing a tank top, like a kind of semi transparent tank top with Weezer and like flame writing on the front. And I remember getting to school because I had gone to the concert the night before, and I was so excited from still seeing them that I was like, I'm gonna wear my tank top to school, even though it was probably November. And I remember walking into school and seeing everyone and, you know, their Sunday best and going, oh my god, it's school photo day. I don't have time to go back home and change. I can't do this is, you know, like, pre cell phones, like you're not going to call you. I was going to call my parents and be like, come run me up a sweater

Jann Arden  5:54  
to school. Perfect. I'm glad you didn't have the right outfit, because that it says so much about how rock and roll you were, well, the

Caitlin Green  6:02  
story value is now much better than just my other years where it was like a black like boat neck or whatever was in style at the time.

Jann Arden  6:08  
So how did you guys get your school pictures? Did you get a proof sheet that you would take home to your parents, and then you'd pay, like the $12 the $18 it wasn't that expensive to get a package of pictures. You'd get the big one. You'd get like, eight medium ones. You'd get 16 little ones. So, you know, you had stuff to give to your friends. I occasionally, I'll run across the postage stamp size, like a school picture of mine. I

Sarah Burke  6:36  
feel like there were stickers for the little size. Stickers.

Caitlin Green  6:38  
I found magnets. That was your thing. It didn't exist. In my day, we had fridge magnets where it was like a little framed plastic magnet. I found a couple of those fancy our high school would let us do, if there was time, you could pay the photographer extra and you could do group photos. And so people, groups of friends, would do them, or like couples would do them. And so I found a bunch of group photos of me and my girlfriends that we would have paid the photographers extra to do, and they were really funny. And, like, sometimes we would all like, try to, like, do a theme or wear a hat, and it was a big deal.

Jann Arden  7:10  
Well, we did get to do group stuff. I remember that there's, I do have a few pictures where there's four of us, like, just crowded in getting pictures taken, but my mom saved everything. And there's lots of stuff. Some of the photos have names written on the back. In years, 1947 Daryl, 12 or 13 years old. And then the 50s, there was quite a bit of stuff. I think I feel like in the 50s, people were snapping pictures. They were out there. They had their little Brownie box cameras. And of course, they're all black and white, but you had the squared off picture, so it wasn't four by six or five by seven. They were like three inch by three inch squares. Anyway, there's tons of negatives and stuff. You know what? I'm never gonna get through it all. I just I'm one person. There is, I'm gonna say 10,000 photo photographs, because my grandmother got her parents stuff. My mom got my grandmother's stuff, and she also got dad's stuff. There. It's just people that I don't know. And it got me thinking about, you know, in that 100 year cycle, and I know we've talked about this, you're kind of wiped from the planet in a way, yeah, because everyone you know is gone. Your children are gone. Like, in 100 years, we'll be gone. The kids will be gone. You know, I think grandchildren will be going strong. But it's weird to look at those photographs and just know that everybody in them is dead, yeah, and you know, you see a class picture with, you know, 100 kids in front of a school pulling faces, and it's like they're all gone. What were their lives, and what was, where are they, and what's the point? And I get very reflective. I

Caitlin Green  8:54  
get to be what's the point, and then I try to actively take a more positive stance of of of the the the freeing nature of kind of nothing matters, like there's not, there's no permanence to anything. Who knows? So you know, live your life as you want do. What makes you happy, spend time with your friends, all those types of things. Because you're like, it doesn't like 100 You're right. In 100 years, whatever you're currently chasing is going to be completely pointless. So, like, you might as well, just like, have some fun with the people you

Jann Arden  9:23  
love. Yeah, and then, on the heels of that thought, the unfortunate part about history, for the most part, it remembers the bad guys and documents the bad guys, you know, say it's good, there's, there's, there's information, like, a lot of information about showing of arc and and, you know, a lot of people that did unbelievable things in the Middle Ages, and, you know, in the 50s and 60s and 70s, and people that were inventors, but you you have to kind of actively look for that information, whereas shitty people are kind of omnipresent. Yeah. Like they just Hitler comes up all the time. And I often wonder to myself, will that come up for a millennia? You know, of of a comparison to this man, whether it's Stalin Pinochet, Ceausescu, Mussolini, I'm just telling you a handful. Pol Pot, one of the worst of the worst, and they just seemed so readily available. And I don't want to veer off into those things, but history and pictures and going back in time and being reflective, because we don't do it very often, but boy, a photograph I was going through a tunnel thinking about you at school that day, and what I wouldn't have done to have just been a fly on the wall and be able to be your friend. And I wonder, would we have been friends? Would Sarah and I have been friends in her high school? Like, would they have seen me and understood me and I just things like that. Like, if I could go back in time, I'd love to draw up myself into your guys' freaking high schools and go, Hi, I'm jam.

Caitlin Green  11:00  
School is such a formative and something I think about too in relation to my son, because he's, you know, going to go through school, and, yeah, going through school and the socialization and the classes. And when you're a child, so many things are so visceral and so formative to the rest of your life. Like, I can't believe what I could remember about toys. Like, I'm going through these giant bins of toys that I obviously haven't seen. There's no photographs of me with them. There's no like when I would pick them up. I immediately had a flood of 10 million memories of playing with these toys,

Jann Arden  11:33  
and it's not a toy. What are some of the toys? Okay, I found

Caitlin Green  11:36  
a random toy that was a Ghostbusters figurine, and it was one of the Ghostbusters cartoon characters, and he had blonde hair, and he was kind of like the nerdy scientist type. And if you pressed his arm on one side, his neck would pop up, and his eyes would pop out of his head. And it was like this kind of and I remember playing with this specific toy. And there were Barbie dolls, and there were little toys from when I was probably with my little ponies. And there were a bunch of toys that back in the 80s. I don't know Sarah, if you had this, but they were scented, scented like that, like there was a toy called Cherry Mary Muffin. This is what I'm saying. This is how much I remember it. And she came with these little baked muffins that smelled like cherries. Or there'd be a Barbie that was a perfume party Barbie, and you'd get perfume with it,

Sarah Burke  12:21  
or this tells you how many allergies I had as a child. This is the reason, I don't know.

Caitlin Green  12:25  
So I just remember that I found all these scented things, and the scent memory was crazy. And again, did they still smell? The cherry Mary Muffin muffins still smelled. If you've just joining us,

Jann Arden  12:38  
the cherry Mary muffins still smell. Is not what you think she's talking about.

Caitlin Green  12:42  
So I just thought it was cool. And then, as a result, I'm wondering, you know, which of these do I keep some of them, I'm like a lot of the books. I brought back some of the favorite books, and now I'm reading them to will. And at the front of the book, they'll say, this book belongs to and it says, like, Katie, because I called myself Katie when I was younger, Katie green. And it was like, my name was Katie green on the front, and so some and I would put stickers all through them, and then will will ask me, whose book is this? Who did stickers like this? And then I'll be like, this was my book when I was a little kid. So those things are cute. So you try to decide, like, what to keep and what to throw away. So I go online and I start Googling just if any of these things have any value. I also now cannot believe how much value there is in vintage toys and vintage video games and VHS tapes, like an old PS two that's in mint condition that I found in some Rubbermaid container in the basement is selling on eBay for 650 bucks.

Jann Arden  13:32  
Okay, so are you thinking of maybe selling some of this stuff, or is it too you are, I think

Caitlin Green  13:38  
so. So, like the video games and stuff. Have no real emotional attachment to me, and I'm now gaging it on, like, if Will's not going to play with it, if he can't get a kick out of it, I'll probably try to, like, donate it or sell it if it has any value. I

Sarah Burke  13:49  
have a gray box, like, super nintendo behind me, which I still play. This is a big thing in my childhood. Like, super loved, super intense. Oh yeah, it's a great pickup too. Hey, you wanna come over and play Nintendo? I'm joking, but it's, it's so fun me and my sister and my dad, like, had tournaments, and so I don't think I could give it away.

Caitlin Green  14:09  
Oh, I wish I still had mine. I think I took my Nintendos to university, and then I think I lost them. I brought mine

Sarah Burke  14:16  
to university. It became the cool room in the residence, right? Because they'd come play Nintendo. Everyone in the hall. Did

Jann Arden  14:21  
you guys? Do we

Caitlin Green  14:24  
Nintendo Wii? I had, I had a console of it, but I wasn't. I didn't play it very much.

Jann Arden  14:29  
I will say it did get people off the couch. It wasn't just, you know, thumbs and forefingers. It was bowling. Your freaking arms hurt the next day if you were doing archery or playing Wii Tennis or Wii golf. No, literally, you had a little bow and arrow, and you would shoot it at the screen, and you'd have targets and moving targets. And the tennis thing you you were moving. And I will say that a game like that, I hope future people, and I think they're going to have to maybe just for space purposes. I'm talking 1000 years from now. Need games that you literally are standing on a swiveling pad. And I know they probably already have that for those AI goggles,

Caitlin Green  15:08  
oh yeah, the ones that made you have a head injury, it was over a

Sarah Burke  15:11  
year ago. Now, she's fine, folks, she's fine over a year ago

Jann Arden  15:15  
now, and I've since done the canoeing I got in a I sat on the floor, which is the canoe, and my friends had pillows all around me, and I had spotters, you know. And I'm thinking, you guys, what can I do sitting on the floor?

Unknown Speaker  15:27  
Oh, lots.

Jann Arden  15:30  
That's so but I have a very rigid tactile, you know, one in high scar, like when he stapled my head, he like pinch skin, and it left like, a ridge, which is kind of cool. If I ever decide to shave my head, I'm gonna have like, this wicked, really cool scar. And I'm just gonna tell people that I had an X hit me with an ax or something like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make it big. I can make up all kinds of shit. Yeah, moving on, cleaning stuff out. I want to talk about Sarah and I had a really quick conversation the other day, and it was we were sending texts back and forth. Your sister has had a baby, yes, and I just want to talk about this a little bit, because it's interesting. Caitlin and I obviously don't have sisters, but I still find this very interesting. What's happened with you and your sisters. So explain what has changed with her and her husband welcoming a brand new baby into their lives, and how it's affected you? Yeah,

Sarah Burke  16:27  
I guess, like we're in a new era of our relationship, and over the last like two years on this podcast, you know, I've shared a little bit here and there about

Jann Arden  16:39  
the wedding that

Sarah Burke  16:40  
this strained relationship. And Jan used the term like balance when we were talking about this. Like, the balance of like, you know, you never want to look at your sibling as like, having something over them. But I think there in the past has been a little bit of that, not to mention, and I will say this every time I talk about it, like, I I understand the shadow of, like, you know, being in a family with a radio person, like, that's not easy when, when I was going into radio, you know, every conversation at every like, family gathering was like, Oh, the radio and Oh, how's this going? And then the podcast, right that. So I could see how, like, being her, you would just, you know, it would get very annoying after a while, but it would be then, you know, it was all about baby and marriage and Joanna for a while. So maybe the balance has, you know, done something to to even us out and think differently. But she's up feeding at really, like, weird hours, and I am up late, editing a lot these days, and we found ourselves, tech,

Jann Arden  17:40  
don't blame us. No, no. That's actually on 12 other fucking podcasts. So Don't fucking look at Caitlin and I

Sarah Burke  17:47  
Yeah, it's not, it's not these guys. So when we're when I'm up late at night, she'll be like, finding time to respond when she's just sitting there with baby on boob, right? Yeah. And so we

Jann Arden  17:57  
should got the phone her lifeline, yeah, child suckly, you can't. You can only stare at the kid's head for so long.

Caitlin Green  18:03  
Yeah, your phone is truly your connection to the outside world in the first, like, three to four months for sure. Yeah, so

Sarah Burke  18:08  
there's just been like, more time to catch up with her, because we're like, both responding at the same time and like, and she's

Jann Arden  18:15  
got something you don't have.

Sarah Burke  18:18  
She does have a baby, but when you

Jann Arden  18:21  
talk about balance, I'm just being the devil's advocate here. Yeah, it's something you don't have. I don't know if you even want. I don't. Okay, I don't. So I do, yeah, I think yeah, balance achieved, yeah,

Sarah Burke  18:34  
and there's no wall up. It's like, yeah, it takes a village, kind of, you know? So I feel really happy that my sister and I are I

Jann Arden  18:44  
love that. Yeah, I think it's really cool and and what if this is the hump to which you can swing both legs over stand firmly on the ground together on the other side of whatever it was keeping you apart? Because I think it's pretty special to be able to let that stuff go. I hate saying let it go, but there's Yeah, just, just like not bringing stuff up. Well, you did this, you did that. Yeah, and, and I consider myself, I'm with you, Caitlin, in a lot of ways. I consider myself kind of an only child sometimes, because I haven't had, I mean, I do really well with my little brother now we're good, like we really, I feel in a good place with him and my older brother I don't speak with at all, but I totally get that. I feel bad. Patrick must have had to listen to so much shit, you know, with all the music stuff. And, yeah, it was my parents focus, and he was in university, and he was crushing it, you know, in engineering and working so hard, and it wasn't, you know, brought up a lot, or as much as it should have been, yeah,

Caitlin Green  19:50  
and, I mean, that was always something I noticed as as an only child, there were certain sibling dynamics that I obviously saw and thought, Oh, that would be nice. But there were. Just as many where I felt like, oh, it could go either way, you know, and it does, luckily, change with time. Sarah, your experience is not entirely unfamiliar to me. With my own girlfriends, where they've had periods where their sister and them, they weren't close at all, and they had quite a contentious relationship. And thankfully, a lot of them now, I think, especially since having kids and, like, growing up and getting older, they've become, like, best friends, I would say, too.

Sarah Burke  20:26  
Like, even just, let's say, a year ago, I would have been able to count on one hand the amount of times my sister and I texted about anything other than logistics, what time are you going to the house? What time are you going to the cottage? Now it's like, Hey, how's it going? How is she like, like, we're asking each other things about each other's lives, and I'm so happy.

Caitlin Green  20:45  
I'm very happy about that. Yeah, babies are good for that kind of stuff too, though, right? They really, kind of, like, they bring you out of your own mind and your own stuff, and they force you to be in the present. And I think she would, I would assume, like, I would put myself in her position as a new mom, and think you're like, Oh, well, I want my kid to have a relationship with their aunt. You know you want, you want someone to be around. And then if she decides to have more children, maybe she starts thinking about them as siblings. And then you as it really like you, you re parent yourself, almost, in a lot of ways, when you become a parent, yeah? So it brings up a

Sarah Burke  21:23  
lot of stuff. And I was also just gonna mention that she's actually, like, interested in things going on in my life. Like, she's like, Wait, I didn't hear you went on a date. Mom said you went on a date, like, little things like that, where there was just none of that before. Like, it was, like, zero Interesting, yeah? So nice.

Jann Arden  21:40  
I really believe it is about the balance and about having something that, I mean, kids get a lot of attention, and your sister and her husband and that cute little baby are going to be I mean, this is a lifelong thing. Your parents have a grandchild, and, you know, I hope, I hope they're so happy. Oh, my God,

Caitlin Green  21:57  
are they? They must be so happy. They're

Sarah Burke  22:01  
so happy. But the funniest thing, just to close out this part of our conversation, the health card, the name got spelled wrong. So her name's Oakland, and her husband has chicken scratch writing, and it came out a like Acklin.

Caitlin Green  22:16  
Oh, okay, they

Speaker 1  22:17  
have to go to Service Ontario. Oh, geez. I was laughing so hard.

Jann Arden  22:23  
Ackland is kind of nice, too, sure, but it's not what they were going for anyway.

Jann Arden  22:38  
This is interesting. I just just got this note coming in that will go V, which is one of those weight loss drugs, has been linked to hair loss. So, you know, I was kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop on some of these things with the ozempic and things like,

Sarah Burke  22:53  
is it in the same class as ozempic? It's the same drugs, okay?

Jann Arden  22:57  
And I guess it's because there's been 1000s and 1000s of men, particularly, going to their doctors, and their hair is just coming out. And so initial testing is saying that it is indeed, well govi, so I just, I don't know how that's going to affect people, because I think, you know, a bigger gentleman is going to say, Listen, I'm not going to be overweight and have no hair as well. So what am I going to do here? Interesting, that

Sarah Burke  23:24  
it's the men, even though so many women are also on the drug but it's the men who have been telling their

Jann Arden  23:28  
doctors so far. But this is really early thing. It literally just came up on my phone. The other thing this poor guy, $50 million was just awarded to a man burned by hot tea. So I'm gonna hand this over to you. Caitlin

Caitlin Green  23:41  
story, did you guys ever watch the documentary on the woman who I was burned by the McDonald's

Jann Arden  23:47  
coffee? Okay? I know, I know all about that. I don't. Okay, so just fill us in. Because, I mean, this is, this is America, the land of the lawsuit. But literally, this guy just got 50 million bucks, yes.

Caitlin Green  23:59  
So what happened is this woman was burned by McDonald's coffee. And it kind of became this joke that you can get sued for anything, and that the US is over litigious. And it became this pop culture example of the over litigious US society, when in actuality, this woman's life was destroyed like she was so severely burned by this and this story is reminds me of that because they handed it out the window at her, or what, what? She put it in between her legs, right? And so it spilled. And then, because it spilled in such a sensitive area and there was such intense burning, she had a lot of time in the hospital, many, many reconstructive surgeries, and then obviously, winter lady bits, yeah, and some major issues around incontinence. And this guy is genitals as well, exactly. So that's what made me think of this. So this happened in 2020, and this is one of this is a tea that they have called the medicine ball. If you're ever sick, it's, it is like, it's a great Starbucks order. It's kind of like a lemony. And tea like tea. And so it spilled in his lap after barista improperly secured the lid. So he has third degree burns, two skin grafts, permanent disfigurement to his genitals. You know, his his like sex life is, is very altered, I would imagine. And so they've awarded him a $50 million and it's also he's a delivery driver, and so this was, you know, part of his job that he was doing. And so they said that this is because of the life altering nature of the injury. That's why he was given this large settlement. And now already people are kind of just reading the very top line piece of information here and saying, like, oh god. I mean, he's supposed to be hot, like, and that's what happened with this McDonald's woman. But I've always thought this when I've gotten certain drinks, why are they so freaking hot? Like I was like, there is no reason to make them. I've never

Jann Arden  25:49  
had a really hot drink from Starbucks ever. My drinks are always not hot enough

Sarah Burke  25:55  
ever. I sometimes have to say extra hot when I do Starbucks. Yeah?

Jann Arden  26:00  
So that's never been my issue. So whoever the guy was making this tea, and I know at Starbucks, they have an automatic hot water dispenser. It's not a kettle that you put on and boil. It is legitimately that little red handle you pull down and it's done. They didn't have time for that.

Caitlin Green  26:17  
Well, they had at the McDonald's case back in the day, in this documentary, they said, you know, they had had issues with burns from the temperature of the coffee before, and that they had been told they needed to change it. And I think when they measured the temperature of this coffee, it was like the surface of the sun. It was crazy. There's no reasonable expectation of any drink being served to you this hot. And I kind of think it's the same thing, because I feel like this poor guy, and he's, he's he's a delivery driver, and someone, they didn't put the lid on. You know how you've had that happen, where the lid gets warped, or they double cup the drink, and so it kind of sits on top. It's just

Jann Arden  26:48  
not clicked on. It's not clicked around the rim.

Sarah Burke  26:50  
I can't even tell you how many times I've spilled in my car. I am that person.

Caitlin Green  26:54  
Yes, exactly. And so I think it's one of those things where now I'm seeing this pop back up again and it started trending. And I'm I feel for this guy, and I also want to remind everybody, there's no way a court is awarding you $50 million if you don't have serious, serious injuries. And can we also making drinks so hot, or maybe just make Jan's drink a little hot?

Jann Arden  27:14  
Just gonna put this out there. If someone said, Jan, we will give you $50 million to never have sex again, I'd be saying, Where do I sign up? Where do I go? Because that seems like a very fair exchange. But wait,

Caitlin Green  27:28  
if somebody's told you, I give you $50 million to have multiple skin grafts, you'd be like No,

Unknown Speaker  27:34  
very different topic.

Jann Arden  27:37  
Send your letters to the Jan Arden pod. I'm just trying to add a little levity here. It's not a great comparison, but I'm, I'm I'm not taking away from what the poor guy endured. It's awful. And I just last week, burnt my heel of my hand on a la Cree, say, pot. And am I suing the crusade? No, I'm not, because I just didn't have the glove, the tea towel, and I just for one second, like, not even, like, half a second, and I burnt the inside of my hand. Anyway, it's taken, like, eight, nine days. I'll always have a little mark there. And I'm telling you, I thought about being, you know, burnt in a fire, and what those people endure for years as the scar tissue starts forming and

Caitlin Green  28:25  
Oh, god, did you see the story about the pizza speaking of delivery guys and burns, but the pizza delivery guy who saved four kids from a burning home in the States? No, yeah, it happened. He was on his route and he drove past a house that was on fire, and good samaritan goes up to make sure that people know that the house is on fire. And so it was night time, and so he goes around back, and he's banging on the doors to try to make sure that no one's home, because nobody was standing outside of the house. And then he realizes that there were kids sleeping upstairs, so he starts hearing the kids. So he goes in, he inhales a ton of smoke. He gets all the kids out, and he himself was being treated for smoke inhalation. He cut, Oh, he got the first three kids out, and then he heard a fourth kid crying, and he went back in the house, went all the way up to the second floor, and he broke the window of the second floor bedroom that the child was in with, like with something that he found, and then he sliced his arm open on the window, but he gets him and the kid out safely. And there's video of bystanders, because he's yelling out. And then more people start to come around because the fire had just started, but it picks up quickly. The video of him on the ground coughing, and the sight of the Blaze. And I just thought, this is the most brave person. He just was driving past, and he ran in and risked his own life, and he got all the kids out safely. It was like, is a miracle. Where were the parents? I haven't read that because it was just one of those things that was being shared as this amazing, great story. I'm sure there it were parents around, but and. Everyone's just grabbing onto the details of him saving these kids and oh my god,

Jann Arden  30:04  
it's amazing what you can do. Even if you don't think you could, like a lot of people, will hear a story like that and go, I could never do it. It's not how the human heart works. It's not how the human brain works. Oh, yeah. And adrenaline, you do things in a moment that people are like, it's not my nature, I would never do anything risky. I've never done anything like that in my life. I can barely pick up a 20 pound dumbbell. Like, seriously, I think it's amazing what happens to us in a moment when we rise into the best versions of ourselves and the truest versions of ourselves. This guy was such

Caitlin Green  30:37  
a hero. And you just see him, you just see him on the ground. And I thought that, like, he is very regular, like, he's just in a T shirt. He's just regular guy in a T shirt who ran into a burning house. It was so cool. The

Jann Arden  30:47  
other thing that I wanted to ask you about, and I don't know if this was, I think this was you as well, Caitlin, about Gene hackman's will. Because Gene Hackman, as everyone has probably heard by now, was in his 90s. He had dementia. His wife is 30 years younger than him, 30 some odd years younger than him. She died of a very weird it has to do with like rat excrement or mice poo, or it's the Hantavirus. It's a Yeah, it's a very toxic, obviously rare thing that can happen to you. And she died about 10 days before he did, but she was the main caregiver of gene. So obviously, Gene's entire will was going to his wife. That's how he had it set up. He didn't have his kids involved. I don't know what the circumstances were, but he they were not part of his estate, and he had no intentions of leaving the money. So Caitlin, you can bring us up to speed, but I think it's very interesting, they didn't die in the order that gene thought that they were dying. Yes, his wife died first. And this was obviously a hook in this whole story.

Caitlin Green  31:51  
Yeah, because he has, like, a very substantial fortune that he's, like, amassed over the years, $80 million apparently. Yeah, exactly. And His home is in his home, and a lot of people were wondering, I guess, kind of what had happened, why nobody was checking in on him, because he had very advanced Alzheimer's, and his wife was obviously his primary caregiver. But a lot of people were like, where's the rest of his family? Like, because they died 10 days apart, and he, like, was him taking care of himself for those 10 days. So this sort of explains a little bit of why he hadn't had more contact during that time with his kids weren't around, and he clearly did not have much of a relationship with them. Currently, if they had been entirely written out of his estate, not a phone

Jann Arden  32:33  
call, not anything, and who knows, we're not making judgments here. Gene could have been a really contentious guy. Another very sad thing to note is that they had three dogs. I don't know what the breeds were, but one of the dogs was in a crate and passed away, obviously from a lack of food and water gene. I don't think it was anything malicious. I think he just didn't have the wherewithal to understand. It was probably very confusing. He could have been wandering back and forth looking at his wife dead on the floor, like, sorry. I know Alzheimer's, and, you know, a lot of people said, What an asshole locking that dog in there. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, folks, he hadn't. He had, don't have the wherewithal. Two of the dogs were running in and out of a dog door. They were okay. They were fending for themselves. But there is something to note here. They did not leave the home. They didn't they stayed at home, and they were just out, going out. Maybe there was a yard anyway, so getting to the will part, because his wife died before he did, these kids are now saying that they're entitled to this $80 million estate. So the fight is on. True Colors, folks, these kids are going to come out swinging. Well,

Caitlin Green  33:42  
I think they're saying, Yeah, this is the succession laws that they have in place in the state, and that he because there's now no one in his like, the beneficiary in his will is deceased. Now it would go in order of the next line of succession, so it would go to his kids. Yeah. And I just always find these provisions kind of funny. And you always sort of wonder, how many clauses do you need, and will do you even have one? Like, if you don't have one, go get one. Because if you have an $81 or two, it's true. Like, it's just, it's one of those things where you start to think of like, oh my gosh, and the situation, as you have outlined, was already a mess. Like, who has the Hantavirus? What? I didn't even know this was a

Sarah Burke  34:22  
thing. It's transferred through urine, rodent urine, it says, And droppings, like,

Caitlin Green  34:27  
what are the statistical odds of this affecting this poor woman? I can't believe. And

Jann Arden  34:31  
was she like, cleaning and just breathing this stuff in? Were there pre existing conditions? Did she have respiratory stuff to begin with? But apparently she had started to mummify. So the ends of her fingers had gone black, and her feet were going black. So she was literally, she was mummifying. Oh, because

Caitlin Green  34:48  
it had so much time had passed, so much time, so

Jann Arden  34:51  
they think she died nine or 10 days before he died. Anyway, when I heard about that, I felt so bad, because I've long admired Gene Hackman, and I think. I've told you guys this story before, when I was in New York City, many, many years ago, 2526 years ago, I was in a really old hotel. I don't know. I can't remember what, what it was called. I have to go through my my journals, because I know that I wrote this down and I sat beside Gene Hackman. He ordered an egg salad sandwich and a CO and a coffee and a pickle. I remember what he was eating, and he just sat there. He was by himself. And you know those old timey stools when you're at the lunch counter? Yeah, and I was sitting beside him because there was a stool available there. So I ordered a tuna sandwich, I remember that, and I had like, a Coke, and I didn't say one thing to him, but he, you know, he looked at me, and he kind of put his chin up looking at my sandwich, like, pretty good a like, I'm just speculating now, but, yeah, he was just like, good, good food in here, right? That was in my mind. And I think he appreciated the fact that I didn't say a thing, and nobody said anything to him. Nobody came up to him. But everybody knew there was kind of this gene hackmany vibe going on. But I have a feeling that he went to this place all the time, and people knew just to like the guy was just like, more coffee, yeah, hit me or whatever. But that's my Gene Hackman story that I sat beside him in it. That's

Caitlin Green  36:22  
so cool. I loved Royal tannenbaums is one of my favorite movies, and I absolutely adored him, and that was good thing he's been in everything he said was such a great actor.

Sarah Burke  36:33  
Did you hear my watch? Do you have a new watch?

Caitlin Green  36:35  
No, because your watch start talking to you. Just,

Jann Arden  36:38  
I touched it in a way that it spoke to me like, oh, Minnie Mouse, just it's 1043 she's giving us away.

Jann Arden  36:54  
So the other night, Saturday night, I had a corporate job in Winnipeg. So Chris and I flew in Friday, because, of course, in Canada, we couldn't get to where we were going on the day we needed to anyway, I flew in the night before. It's all fine at about two o'clock in the morning. I mean, I was sound asleep. I was tired. You're always tired when you're traveling, even if it's like I hear I thought someone was being murdered, and I called the front desk, and I was really concerned. I realized, after I kind of came to like, I got up, I looked out the window to see if I needed to do something, because I thought, I'm not going to be complacent while some where a woman is screaming for for her life, I'm at least gonna call the police or something. Anyway, they were, I knew it. I knew it. I think it was a sex worker, because I don't think any normal woman like, I'm telling you, this was so you could be reading this on a script, okay, the stuff she was saying and everything he was saying, Nothing like there was nothing going on. That was just my thing. She's the performer. So this went on. So they went up, knocked on the door, because I said, this needs to be shut down. It really was hideous. And I laid there for 25 minutes, and I'm thinking, that's enough of this. Now, that's enough minutes for that guy. Okay, good or maybe bad for that guy. Well, maybe, yeah. Anyway, they finally came, like at four ish, shut it down. Chris and I were texting in the morning, just saying, and when they shut it down, the room emptied out. It was whoever was in there. It's not like someone went to sleep and the other person went to their own. The room emptied out. I think this hotel has been sold. It used to be one of my favorite little hotels in Winnipeg. I won't stay there anymore, and it's not because of that. I just need to get some sleep like everyone's entitled to have a space to go experience their lives. I'm all for that. I'm for sex work. I think it's an important part of our society, especially in one as fucked up as ours, where, you know, people get Yeah, I'm not. That's a whole other show, isn't it? Girl. So the next night after the corporate gig, which, in and of itself, was very interesting. It was for a women's shelter. Ann oak is her name. Scott oak is a very famous NHL announcer, and it's his wife passed away suddenly. His son died of a drug overdose many years ago. Bruce, anyway, but they're, they're raising money for a women's shelter that also they take the women in, but you they can bring their kids. And I thought, What a great idea. Most women won't go in to get any help, because they'll lose their kids to the system, and it's almost impossible for them to get back. This center will have daycare. They will have a facility where you can cook a meal for your kids and be there, go to your classes during the day, get sober, get straight, get your life back. Anyway, it's, it's marvelous. What I find out I sat across from on this table from Wab canoe, who I really admire. He's the premier of Manitoba.

Sarah Burke  39:50  
That's so cool. He's we need to try and get him. I think he'd be a great guest. Yeah, he's

Jann Arden  39:54  
amazing. I wish I could retell a story that he told to me about Daniel Smith and. Doug Ford, but I can't,

Sarah Burke  40:02  
did you sign an NDA? Because if you did, I

Unknown Speaker  40:04  
didn't sign an NDA. But he,

Jann Arden  40:07  
he said to me, how's it going in Alberta? And I'm like, not great. Not great. We have a very wacko woman at the head of

Caitlin Green  40:20  
going Google Alberta.

Jann Arden  40:22  
He knew it. It was just like, raised eyebrow. So anyway, they're making announcement at all the different MPs, members of parliament, all these different deputy mayors that were there at this fundraiser. There was 1300 it's one of Winnipeg biggest fundraising events of the year. They raised $1.2 million but wow, I'm getting ahead of myself. Anyway, at one point I'm sitting there with Chris, and I hear the name Don Platt. Don Plett is a senator that has been caught blocking our live export bill. He's one of the people. It's like, those horses are fine. They get in those crates and they just go to sleep, and they have a great time going over there. And, you know, it's all humane. He hasn't have a fucking clue. Don plow, you don't have a fucking clue. Shut up. He's an old white guy. He's supposed to be retiring, and I'm gonna say this. I don't care. Sue me. He's an asshole. I found out he was there, and I thought, Do I say? What do I do? Do I seek him out? I have like, a 25 minute little piece. They wanted me to speak for 15 minutes, and I spoke about my brother being addicted, my brother being in jail for almost 30 years, my dad being an alcoholic. That I know how important it is to have facilities that help people. I get it. Yeah. And then I just sang a couple of songs well before at the very end of what I said, I was saying, Wab canoe, an absolute honor to sit at your table. It was, you know, I've just feel very honored to be here for this very noble cause. And then I said, Don Platt stop live horse export. And half the room started clapping. And I thought, Don Platt you explained to the people you're sitting beside of what it is that you're doing and how you are literally torturing and harming 1000s and 1000s of giant draft horses. Every year, they've had over 30 deaths since June of last year, 30 deaths anyway, of horses that literally die of heart attacks on these planes. Shannon, I love your balls. Me too.

Caitlin Green  42:19  
Someone. Okay, I will say because I just Googled his name, and the group animal justice has said that they've extended an exciting this is from last year early Christmas gift to Manitoba Senator Don Plett, an all expenses paid trip to Japan in cargo to help him understand the brutal reality of Canada's live horse export industry.

Jann Arden  42:40  
He went to Winnipeg to where they load the horses at the airport, which has nothing to do with anything. They just get into those crates and they just see they haven't even been loaded onto the plane yet. It

Caitlin Green  42:50  
just seems like it's just an unusual thing to hear about somebody randomly choosing to stall. Because I'm like, This feels stall.

Jann Arden  42:57  
He opposed it every single conservative member in this country, without exception. And remember this, folks when you go to the polls, what is coming up very soon, I would imagine May, June, July, somewhere we're going to have a federal election. Pierre poilievre, and the people that follow him are not well. He's not a good person anyway, without exception, every single one of the Conservatives voted to keep sending horses overseas. So when you talk about character, when you talk about morality, and you talk about doing what's right, these are are not cattle. This has nothing to do with agriculture, of people eating what they want. This is torturing horses and whatever. Have a chance to speak to it anyway. I did that at this thing. I didn't hear anything otherwise. But Chris said that it was just like the whole table was teetering away, because I love it so much. And he was probably shitting himself anyway, like Jan Arden is here in the room. He knows exactly

Caitlin Green  43:52  
I was just gonna say. He probably was like, something's gonna happen tonight, because, I mean, it's your it's your big cause, and it's important to you, and you would hope that anyone could respect the fact that, even if he is not personally aligned with this, like he would have his own passionate causes, and this is yours. And if I was him, you're an adult, I would fully anticipate that you might say something to either me directly or to the room, because it's like, it's your cause. I also want to say that Scott Oak has a memoir that came out I had this year, I think he gave me fairly recently, yeah, for the love of a son, yeah,

Jann Arden  44:24  
he gave me a couple of copies and signed them. I haven't read it yet. Like I said, I just got it on Saturday night, but I'm gonna read it. But he just said it was the most difficult thing he ever had to do. He said he had to do like, three drafts of it. And he said it was his publisher, they wanted him to go one more time. And he goes, I'm not doing this again. I cannot go through this again.

Caitlin Green  44:42  
Can't go through really, all the stuff. Can't do it. Yeah, if you followed him, or the story about his son and his son's addiction, like it is, it's out, I know. I think it's a best seller already, so good for

Jann Arden  44:52  
him. He's a great guy, and it was a great night. There was 1300 people in there. Listen, I spent a whole night looking at this incredible. Will staff. And looking at 1300 meals, four times a five course meal, 37 years they've been doing it. But I looked at these people, I'm like, I don't even know how this is possible. Hot meals, beautiful meals, beautiful presentation. I marveled at that. I kept talking to Wab, canoe going. Like, I can't even believe how this stuff is coming out. He was so great. He's so handsome

Caitlin Green  45:24  
in the whole, you know, what's going on between Canada and the US? He's, he's really having a bit of a moment, I think, on social because he has made an effort to go out and do some social posts. And as any premier right now is going to be doing, because their province is going to be dealing, not here from our, well, yeah, different set of circumstances over there. We

Jann Arden  45:44  
literally have a government that's saying, let's dig, let's bring down more mountains and dig coal. Let's drill. Let's double our drilling. It's literally the voice of little mini Trump. Daniel is just she's just sinister. I just can't and they're doing so many egregious illegal things within the healthcare community, they're up against stuff now, because now there's legal repercussions of what they've been doing here, and contracts they've been selling to private companies. And then, of course, we've got people here that are going down on their own to Washington to say, we want to join up with the United States. There's a group of us here in Alberta that, you know, we I'm just like, you

Speaker 2  46:27  
have you go, go move to fucking Wyoming. Get out of here. Here's your solution. It's just

Caitlin Green  46:34  
one of those situations too, where you're like, What is this? Why now, like, we have so many problems that are coming up on the horizon that to be like boot looking for Trump as a Canadian right now. Have

Sarah Burke  46:47  
you guys changed? Like any of your your own personal habits? What have you changed? Like in the last like month, I've

Speaker 2  46:54  
changed so many things. I'm curious. I want to hear

Jann Arden  46:57  
well, I'm just I now have French is mustard in my cupboard. I ran out of ketchup and mustard, so I bought French's. And I'm just getting used to reading the labels about, you know, stuff that's sent to the United States for manufacturing, and then they they send it back to us. Like, there's a lot of different rules and regulations, but I'm doing really good with it. Like crackers that I used to love. I found a different kind of rice cracker. My bread is, obviously, it's all Canadian company. I've had a lot of people talk to me about Tim Hortons versus second cup versus Starbucks, and I'm like, well, there's American ownership in all these companies. It's very hard to separate it out, but I also know that there's Canadian families that have franchises and that have Canadian people working there. So I'm being very careful about my choices. I think, you know, every young person that you see working at Starbucks is not from Florida. They they're from Edmonton and Toronto and Thunder Bay, and they work in these places. So, you know, pick your spots. Folks don't be it's hard

Caitlin Green  47:54  
to parse out, and like certain industries, will obviously be hit harder than others. But I feel like lucky, because I live in downtown Toronto, so it is really easy for me to shop local and to sort of stay local because that's my neighborhood. Like, I can my, like, my favorite coffee shop is just like a little Mercury coffee shop down the street for me. Like, my favorite bread is, like black bird bread. So I I can still go out and I do that's sort of how I shop, is that I have an hour here or there, and I just walk down the street, and that's predominantly what I buy. I love the Chapman's family. You know, Chapman's ice cream? Do I Okay? Well, because, you know, a little, I think they're going

Jann Arden  48:31  
to get a boost in that. Because a lot of people have talked about Chapman's ice cream, they said they're

Caitlin Green  48:35  
not going to raise the prices, even with the tariffs. They're going to take a hit, because they they want to try to, like, stand like Canada strong. And so they've gotten some really good press from doing that. I mean, there's a again, if you live downtown in a major city, you know, you should be able to create some kind of a workaround. But I had been talking to a skincare company, like, they do a lot of, like, facials and all this stuff, and they sell a lot of different brands, and they wanted me to come in to do a facial and to do some social for them. And I was like, let's make sure that we use all Canadian brands if I'm going to be doing a video for you or anything like that. Because I just, I don't want to showcase US brands right now, if we can avoid it. Yeah. And to just highlight the fact that there is an amazing assortment of clothing companies. There's an amazing assortment of skincare companies. You don't

Jann Arden  49:19  
need to buy clothes right now, folks, you just don't, we don't need any more clothes. You look in your closet, you got more than enough stuff. Well,

Caitlin Green  49:26  
that's the other thing too, that starts to happen, right? Because we're going to get all these i i People are like, Oh, it's a recession. I'm like, this is a Trump session. Call it what it is. He is bringing one in. This is a this is the move of one administration. The economy was in far better shape before he came into office. I know a lot of people had high hopes for him, because the economy did pretty well under him last time. Not the case. Everyone that ship has sailed. And so now I think, like you said, it not just because of the buy Canadian over us stuff. I think people are going to start restricting some of their spending if they're seeing their portfolios of investments just plummeting like I mean, if. You're looking at your like, retirement investments right now, you're going, Oh, my God. I mean, the one thing he was supposed to be good for was the economy freaking Well, ran on that. Now he's tanking it. It's

Sarah Burke  50:09  
funny that, like camaraderie even in the grocery store. Last week, when I went grocery shopping, a woman looked at me as she was, like, going to grab something, and she said, Don't judge me as she was, and I was like, Oh, I'm not judging you. And she's like, well, I know I'm trying to buy a Canadian but with my son, and I don't know really what she was saying about her son, yeah, but I was like, I'm not judging you. Like, it's all good, but that's where it like, it really comes down to just what decisions can you make for yourself that there's

Jann Arden  50:36  
a lot of awareness too, of what Canadian products are. I mean, I think people that generally didn't even bother with that are hyper aware.

Unknown Speaker  50:47  
Many It is

Caitlin Green  50:48  
literally a Disney character living in your phone. Let's just talk. Okay, well,

Jann Arden  50:51  
listen, we could go on and on here our we've been, we've been doing like eight hour podcast lately, but I'm just going to, I want to leave it on a on a high note, and I want to know something good and positive that has happened to you guys in the last week. I think your sister story is really positive. But is there anything else? Can we leave this on a high note? I'm

Caitlin Green  51:11  
not on death's door anymore from my pneumonia, so my health has improved. My son is nailing potty training, so that's great. I got an updated tattoo for Sam's birthday. Show us. Oh, I'll show here. Yeah, if you're on, if you're if you don't already watch us on YouTube, you need to. Okay, so here is the updated Sam tattoo. So I had a little halo added over the A and then I had a will tattoo done last Mother's Day. And the text was a little bit different than my Sam tattoo. And so the artist who I saw, who's an incredible tattoo artist, had the two match like when he did the touch ups, he made the match a little bit more. So my husband has the has matching tattoos now as well. So it was a really nice way to spend sort of the the Sam's birthday. I loved it.

Jann Arden  51:57  
I think that's wonderful. And I'm so proud of you, Caitlin, like and Kyle, all of you, your whole family, like the way, you have really led with such grace, such a hard thing, but you have always chosen joy to remember your son in such a positive way. And you've been so transparent, talking with people, sharing your stuff. It's you, you've been unbelievably inspiring.

Caitlin Green  52:23  
Oh, thank you. It was, it was really important to me right away. You know, it was like, we want to be examples of being able to come over that situation. But I don't want to diminish its its intensity. You want to be able to talk about it openly so and also too, because I had talked about my pregnancy so openly on chum that it was very public, like all of this was very public and and so the situation where it was like a very public happy thing then becomes this very public sad thing. So it was important, I think, to me right away, that I wanted to sort of share those stories. And I also think we were fortunate, because we just, we do have such amazing friends and family and you guys, and also our listeners. Oh my god, the outpouring of support from our listeners, from the chum listeners and the podcast listeners, and the support at Sinai, like I do, take a lot of stock in the fact that you're like, when you do have these, like, really dark moments, and you look around and think, okay, but you are being supported by this massive network of people. And that's that's pretty special, because, because stuff can go wrong in life

Jann Arden  53:20  
anyway. Do we have voice notes? We have voice notes? Okay, we have to do it. Yay.

Sarah Burke  53:24  
So this is from last Friday's show Happy

Speaker 3  53:27  
International Women's Day. Hey ladies, thank you for being strong inspiring women, and for raising up women's voices. I look forward to listening to the podcast every week while I'm running, and you inspire me and your guests inspire me. Each week, you make me laugh, you've made me cry. And keep up the incredible work and supporting these strong female voices that you own and that you share with us. Cheers,

Sarah Burke  53:58  
joy, Dodds, thank you for that. We love that. Joy, thank you. Joy,

Speaker 4  54:01  
hi there. I was excited to when I saw Buffy Saint Marie come up and the podcast to hear what Jan thought about it now and how she's been processing it, because although I appreciate the intro, the timing of that interview is she must have known Buffy what was coming down the pipe at that point. So it just makes it. It's just like another confusing bit of information with all the other ones that fans of her have been processing since this all went down. So so yeah, I'd love to hear now what Jen thinks about it? I think that would be really interesting, actually, thanks. Well,

Jann Arden  54:47  
just quickly, yeah, she absolutely knew what was coming, and it's incredibly disappointing, and I'm still heartbroken about it. I'm heartbroken for indigenous people. I'm heartbroken for the community. I don't know why people make choices do. Who lie like that, and obviously at some point she started believing those lies, or believing a part of a fabrication that seemed more real to her than her real life. I mean, we can't possibly imagine getting inside of Bobby St Mary's mind. There's a part of me that will always admire her. And I, I'm trying to separate the music from from the deception. You know, that music meant a lot to me growing up. And I might, there's nothing in my body that goes, Oh, I just hate that music now, or I can't listen to that music now. The talent was undeniable. The talent was absolutely important. And then, you know, on the other hand, what she did for indigenous people is undeniable. It is a conflicting, confusing thing. I will be confused until the day I drop dead, and that's I'm just I'm flabbergasted at a choice that she made, and the fallout of that choice very, very confused. Yeah,

Sarah Burke  56:02  
with that, that's our show for

Jann Arden  56:04  
today. Well, thank you. And now we go to Patreon, so join us over there. We're going to talk about birthdays. We're going to talk about a kiss that Sarah may or may not have had. If you're not a Patreon member, we'd really appreciate you signing up. We have a book club. Every month we have chosen a new book, Caitlin. Just remind people what that book is.

Caitlin Green  56:23  
The new book is called eastbound,

Jann Arden  56:27  
eastbound. So you've, if you haven't had a chance to get it yet, or sign up at your library or rent it or listen to it on, wherever you listen to books, or buy the book. It's a very, very quick read. It's not, yes, it is. It's probably 125 pages. I absolutely am kind of mind boggled by this book. And I don't know how a person even writes something like this book, but I'll just leave it at that, very easy to read. I read it in one evening,

Caitlin Green  56:54  
I bet. Yeah, I knew it. I was cutting us all some slack. So, yeah, I read

Sarah Burke  56:58  
in one evening, guys, the audio book is only two hours. It's good, yeah,

Jann Arden  57:01  
I couldn't put it down. So literally, if the audio books two hours, you can read it in a couple of hours. That that will give you a very good indication on how you can get through a book. So get that. We have a book tier on Patreon that's $7 we do discussions after these books. We have like, Zoom calls, and everyone can come on. The one that we did for In Memoriam was absolutely fantastic. We had so many people sign up talk about the book. It's really fun. It's fun to follow along. And these are books that you probably would never read. I would never have bought eastbound in a million years, and now I've added that to my collection, so that's $7 but just and you'll get access to all the extra content that we put on our Patreon page. We try and and keep on top of that, but yeah, you're gonna help three women make a podcast and keep bringing you great content week after week, and we appreciate it so much. Our goal is to get to 1000 Patreon members, and we're in the six hundreds now, but we would really, really love to get there by the summertime, and we will have some news very soon about live events. We need to have start talking about how that's going to unfold this summer. We'll keep you posted on that, but until next time, look after yourselves. Thanks for following along. We appreciate it more than you know. See you next time. Totally Do you?