Love Sober

Sarah Burke  0:07  
Music We roll in.

Jann Arden  0:09  
Well, hello there, everyone. I am Jann Arden, and you are listening to the Jan Arden podcast. We used to say end show, but I don't know why we're doing that anymore. It feels like a show. I'm here with Sarah Burke. She's in her home in Toronto. I'm in my home in spring bank, Alberta. Caitlyn is in Prince, no, she's in Halifax. Now. I think

Sarah Burke  0:28  
she's doing like a whole east coast road trip with the fam. Yeah,

Jann Arden  0:32  
she's East coasting it. And Will her son turn two. So that's pretty remarkable. So I've been looking at lots of videos from them, but yeah, it's just me and Sarah today, and we we have way too many things to talk about. We started sort of chatting back and forth last night and this morning, sending each other stuff. And I'm like, Wow, we

Sarah Burke  0:52  
got a lot of shit. Where do you want to start? Well,

Jann Arden  0:54  
I want to start with my Jennifer Garner smoothie. Okay, she is going to be on the new Dead Pool three. I think it's out now, Deadpool three, isn't it? It is out anyway, it looks fantastic. I just watched Deadpool one a couple of days ago to remind myself of the franchise origins and where the story is heading with, of course, Ryan Reynolds, Hugh Jackman and a whole bunch of amazing cameos, but Jennifer Garner is in the new one. And Jennifer, if you follow her on Instagram, she's really super fit, so she's always in great fitness. You can see her doing kind of a squat, and she leaps up like three and a half feet in the air onto a big foam block, and I trip on a curb. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, her level of fitness is amazing, so she needed to amp it up. She said, I've always been fit, but I've never been Marvel fit. So she takes us through the shit that she does. Sarah, it's just like, I don't know what it all means.

Sarah Burke  1:55  
Those are box jumps, by the way, jumping on the box. It's called a box jump.

Jann Arden  1:59  
A box jump,

Sarah Burke  2:00  
yeah, and it's hard. It's hard on the knees. You got to be real fit and suave to do things like that. Anyway,

Jann Arden  2:06  
she's very inspiring at the end of it, at the end of this, this reel, she made herself a smoothie, and it was oat milk and a scoop of protein powder, whatever your choice is, some berries, some chia seeds, a whole bunch of spinach, like a handful of spinach, and I think that, oh, and a bit of, like nut seed paste,

Sarah Burke  2:31  
like an almond butter or something. Yes, almond butter. Is that what you mean?

Jann Arden  2:39  
So here it is. Mine looks a little different than hers. Is

Sarah Burke  2:41  
it delicious?

Jann Arden  2:42  
It's been sitting for a while, so the cheese seeds are taking on a life of their own, yes, and so I feel it is quite thick, but you know what? Thank you. Jennifer Garner, I needed a new smoothie to have, so here it is, and it's very delicious. Do I look any better than I did 20 minutes ago?

Sarah Burke  2:59  
Glowing.

Jann Arden  3:00  
Anyway. Moving on the dog, the dog. So last week, we talked about cherry. Cherry is a mixed breed rescue. Sarah has been fostering, and you know, everyone hopes that they're not a foster fail as a foster parent, because you want to take on a lot of dogs, and you want to really help dogs get acclimated to being in a home environment, right? So fill us in on what's happening with her.

Sarah Burke  3:24  
So she's in the crate right now. You know, day one, she hated the crate, like if she was in the crate, she was crying and sad, she didn't feel it was a safe space, I don't think. And now she's going to the crate and feeling very safe, and she just goes in there on her own. I leave the door open for her, and she goes in there to rest after the walk. So Poppy's in his bag. Okay, so I feel like the crate training part is going really well. You have to remember, these dogs were all rescued. I'm working with an organization called backstreet paws. They help these dogs from Texas. So they have to acclimate to like the weather, the climate, the water, everything. So the first few days were a lot like when we recorded last week, when I had her, it was like the beginning, and, you know, runny poo, Barfi, Barfy, runny poos. But imagine the nerves, right? It's a lot of staff to

Jann Arden  4:16  
take into account the shock on these little systems. They're so dear, and they're scared shitless, right?

Sarah Burke  4:23  
So you have to have this unimaginable patience, right for what they're going through. So day one in the house, it was like wet poo peeing. Didn't you know? She was figuring it out by day two, no accidents in the house. You know, as soon as I take her out, pees on the grass, poo is on the grass. Everything was great. So I'm so proud of that, and I've been rewarding her. So I think I have, I would say, in the one week, I've got her trained to pee and poo outside. No problem. She's really smart. She's only four months old, and I'm so proud of her, like every time she pees,

Jann Arden  4:58  
trust me, you do that when they're six. Yes, you're like, go away to go. You did it on the pad, or you did it on the outside. You know, it's it's always challenging.

Sarah Burke  5:05  
She hasn't used pee pad since day one. Isn't that amazing for four months old? Yes, but I think, you know, the food and the stress I brought her to the cottage over the weekend. There were two other dogs there. She loved playing with them. She's so friendly. She loves the other dogs. It just might have been a lot for her. There were other foods and smells around, and yes, she's done a lot of vomiting because she's been on this medicine to settle her tummy, which is supposed to be seven days. And I've had to stop the medicine because she kept throwing up. What he just break it in half. I tried that. She was still thrown up. Okay? I tried that, yeah. And I added rice.

Jann Arden  5:38  
Throwing up. Not good. I would just, yeah, I would stop it completely until you talk to your vet. I'm not a veterinarian, but I did sleep with one years ago.

Sarah Burke  5:45  
Good to know if you need to make an emergency call at any point. I'm kidding, Jan, I need you to call your ex. No, I've

Jann Arden  5:52  
never slept with a veterinarian. Oh,

Sarah Burke  5:54  
I got excited. So, yeah, I did add rice into her food for a little bit. That definitely fixed the poos. Poos were great after that. So

Jann Arden  6:00  
the looming question is, we're just fostering, right?

Sarah Burke  6:04  
We're just fostering. I'm allergic to her. I am allergic to her, but

Jann Arden  6:07  
you'll foster other dogs, right?

Sarah Burke  6:09  
Yes. So that's the whole silver lining of it, even though it's gonna be so hard to say goodbye to her. So when does that happen? They're trying this other family before the end of the week, and if they don't respond, then it goes to Barb, who you've heard me talk about at the cottage, met her, fell in love with her, trains dogs, has so much dog experience. Put an application in Barb put an application in Yeah, and wouldn't that be great that I can visit cherry? Oh, if Barb takes her, I

Jann Arden  6:35  
like that. There is an application process, yeah. Oh, yeah. I like that. It's just not willy nilly. We've got six boxes in a box. Come by the house and no one out like all that. Those fucking days are over, I hope. And folks, if you run into that, don't do it because it's some asshole breeder or some asshole in general that doesn't know what they're doing. Yeah, I think everyone can agree that animal cruelty is just, yeah, abhorrent, and we really need to gather ourselves together, good people, and just say no to this stuff. And yeah, you know, use your voice. Apathy is so terrible. And I'm not talking about even food that we're eating. I'm just talking about pets, kittens, birds, people, having fucking turtles and snakes and shit like, stop it. Yeah, stop fucking getting snakes and ferrets and things like that for pets, for God's sakes, like, just these animals should be outside doing what they do. Yeah, don't be going into a pet store and it just, it just makes you an asshole. Sorry. I

Sarah Burke  7:38  
wouldn't want to do this any other way, other than a rescue. Good for you. Every

Jann Arden  7:43  
experience, though, will help her to get used to people and being in a loving environment, and it'll be great when she does have that forever home.

Sarah Burke  7:52  
So yeah, I'm allergic to her, definitely the Jack Russell part her brothers, who I've now seen pictures of, Carlos and Calvin, the cutest they they got more schnauzer. And I feel like those two dogs are probably more hypo than she is. She got the Jack Russell side. I

Jann Arden  8:06  
think. Well, don't give up your search. Sarah, oh, I

Sarah Burke  8:08  
told the organization, let's keep an eye out for another hypo.

Jann Arden  8:11  
So did you do clareton When you were at my house around Poppy? No, because Poppy, I'm not really that allergic to say so Poppy is a morkey He's Maltese in Yorkshire Terrier. Yeah. So maybe that's a road you need to kind of go down to look for a rescue that's kind of in that realm of, yeah, you know. I mean, he's a shit mix, for sure. I'm not sure what is going on.

Sarah Burke  8:31  
I didn't feel allergic to him once while I was whereas, okay, I mean, I know we had mosquitoes on our topic list for today, but I am so allergic to the mosquitoes at your place, I don't know why they're different than the mosquitoes in Ontario, but oh my god, I'm covered still. Well,

Jann Arden  8:48  
let's just take a little Weekender at a mosquito thing. Here's why mosquitos, okay. Ready for this? I

Sarah Burke  8:55  
got it in front of me. Yeah?

Jann Arden  8:57  
Why mosquitos bite some people more than others, explained, and this is in glamor magazine. So hi glamor from July. This article is from July. She says, if you've ever come back from a festival or a holiday and wondered why you've been eaten alive by mosquitoes while your friends have been left alone, there's a few reasons why you might be a mosquitos type. So she goes on to say that mosquitos really like type O blood. So do you know what your blood type

Sarah Burke  9:24  
is? I asked my mom this morning after you sent the article, and I am type A, so I'm the I'm the 46.5%

Jann Arden  9:32  
so type O blood, they Garner 83.3% of mosquitoes, and then the Type A's only have half of the mosquitoes biting them, less than half, 46 and a half percent.

Sarah Burke  9:43  
But think about how much more than all the other blood types, even the Type A is, right?

Jann Arden  9:49  
Well, I don't even know how many Type A's and type O's. I know nothing about this stuff. I know a B is really rare, and then there's a positive and negative, isn't there? Isn't there O positive and negative? Like, what's all that stuff? I'm

Sarah Burke  9:59  
no expert on. That, but I can tell you that it seems like type O and type a are at the top of what we're talking about.

Jann Arden  10:06  
Okay. Well, get this. Mosquitos find us through carbon dioxide. So the bigger you are, the more carbon dioxide you're releasing, putting you at risk. You also, you know, exhale more carbon dioxide after a workout, or when you're pregnant, you may be susceptible to more bug bites. While humans can't smell carbon dioxide, mosquitoes can and from a great distance, it's the main signal that helps them acquire a human target. So note to self, hold breath for as long as possible while running across the yard to water the garden. Here's what

Sarah Burke  10:43  
checks out, though. When I was at your place, I went down to show Aaron the river right after you worked out. See it checks out.

Jann Arden  10:51  
You got freaking attacked, right

Sarah Burke  10:52  
if I could show you my back right now, they didn't show up until I got back. I didn't even know I had them. It could have been the bird feeder morning too, but I don't know.

Jann Arden  11:01  
God, we were out there for a long time, those friggin ants. Anyways, I've enjoyed my bird feeder with the camera in it is bringing me so much joy that I may never, ever be in a relationship now, because now I have the dog and I have my bird feeder camera, it's given me all the thrills. I'm telling you,

Sarah Burke  11:18  
Patreon subscribers, you're getting the behind the scenes of the bird feeder. Jan's been posting in there, and you put some on Instagram too. But these little birds, basically there's a camera catching their every move when they come. I'm

Jann Arden  11:29  
doing Patreon little things every day, folks. I'm going in there and I'm showing people stuff that Instagram and tick tock they ain't never gonna see. And, no, it's not my nipples, but it's, it's almost as good or bad as that? Okay, I take that back anyway. That's, that's the whole mosquito story. So one

Sarah Burke  11:45  
final thing on mosquitoes, because this is an important part of the end of the article, which I found interesting. People who consume beer or bananas were both found to attract more mosquitoes as well.

Jann Arden  11:54  
Oh, shit. Well, I do a lot of bananas. My cousin brought me over a new, you know, high tech mosquito repellent, little machine thing I saw that Tracy, I love it doesn't work. It doesn't work. I feel like the mosquitoes landed on me more. So don't be duped into buying these blue light. I

Sarah Burke  12:13  
bought one for my parents at the cottage too. And I would agree nothing. It doesn't work.

Jann Arden  12:18  
Okay. Our next topic, limerence. Limerence, why do we obsess over people that we don't know or that we just met? So this is an article from style caster magazine. And you've all heard, you know, your friends talk about, oh, my God, I met him last week. He's absolutely amazing. He's so perfect, I'm gonna marry him, or she's so, oh, this is the woman for me. This is my soul mate. We've been out twice, and then you're sending a million texts every day, and you're just going overboard, and you're buying gifts for this person like it is a real thing. You don't know them yet, and they don't know you. So why are you suddenly convinced you're the one true love? If you can't stop daydreaming about every new potential match you come across, it means your subconscious is calling for disengagement. Let's unpack the meaning of limerence before you start naming your children. So have you got any experience with that? We certainly aren't going to read the whole article, but no. Have you ever felt this?

Sarah Burke  13:14  
No, but I feel like I can think of a girlfriend who just told me she had a boyfriend last week who I'm like, you just met

Jann Arden  13:20  
what? So she's calling him boyfriend now,

Sarah Burke  13:22  
already. The last time I talked to her, maybe two weeks ago, she was talking about a

Jann Arden  13:26  
different guy. Does she know she has limerence?

Sarah Burke  13:29  
I feel like I'm gonna diagnose it right here, right now. Limerence,

Jann Arden  13:34  
well, they say your brain when you like somebody, yeah, you know, you're just start firing chemicals like oxytocin, serotonin, dopamine, nor pinafreen, they're positive neurotransmitters. So when people this is this is very interesting to me, because when you fall in love with someone and you can't You're not sleeping, probably you really are obsessing, like it's it's hard to read a book. It's hard to sit on a date and eat a meal in front of this person, because you're just all discombobulated. I fucking hate the feeling of being in love. Don't like it. I hate it. At 62, years old, I can look back, I've been in love several times in my life, for sure, and I just don't like who I am. I don't like who I become. I don't like how my sensibility goes out the goddamn door

Sarah Burke  14:25  
that I identify with. It's really something that

Jann Arden  14:29  
I don't think I want to do again. Wow. Well, you don't have to say it like with such sadness in the tone of your voice.

Sarah Burke  14:37  
Well, it does make me sad, because you know you deserve to be loved and loved, no, but,

Jann Arden  14:40  
but that this whole thing deserve is a weird little word to incorporate into that you deserve to be loved. Yes, we all deserve to have great friendships and people that have our backs and but I'll tell you what being in love is a whole different ball game, and I think it changes. I hope to God, it changes for people that get older. Maybe that's why they. Sites for people over 55 or something, dating sites, and why anyone would want to be you know, 70 and have a 32 year old girlfriend. David Foster is beyond me. I think he's 75 Alexa, how old is David Foster? David Foster is 74 years. 74 Alexa, how old is David Foster's wife, 4034, years.

Sarah Burke  15:25  
What about plutonic does that come up anywhere in here? Or it's just like objects of affection

Jann Arden  15:30  
a plutonic being? What explain that to us? Like the

Sarah Burke  15:33  
obsession you might have, like someone really cool that you want to be, maybe friends with, versus falling in love with? Was there anything in the article you read about that?

Jann Arden  15:42  
Oh, I see what you mean. As far as limerence goes, Yeah, I have absolutely fallen in, like, with people that I've met over the years. And I mean that, and that's the greatest falling in, like, because you don't have unrequited feelings. You know you love this person, but they don't love you. I haven't experienced that a lot in my life. Usually when I made a move or wanted to go and pursue someone, I was 95% successful. I know that sounds terrible, but I but I think I chose well for myself, yeah, well, I thought so at the time, but, yeah, I've fallen in, like, with people, you know, Cynthia loyist. I fell in like, with Cynthia loyist, and pretty much from the moment I met her. Tiffany Pratt, are you out there? Tiffany Pratt, Tiffany Pratt is a new friend that I've met in the last couple of years. I met her on our podcast. We interviewed her. Tiffany has a dog also named Poppy, a wiener dog, oh, named Poppy and Tiffany and I, you know, much like Cynthia. And, like I said, meeting new friends is very exciting as you get older, because it's hard to do. Yeah, Tiffany and I are like sisters, because I never had sisters, and I just absolutely adore her, and I would do anything for her. Cynthia's married. Tiffany's quite happily married. I mean, these are people that I don't feel that way about them, you know? I just it's not it's not there, but it doesn't take away my absolute desire and my affection and my profound adoration for these people.

Sarah Burke  17:18  
Got it that I have had for sure. Isn't

Jann Arden  17:21  
that cool? It is. But you have to be open to it. To have a friend, you must be a friend. So yeah, you know, there's time involved, but then you have friends that you literally only see once every five years, and it's still that solid bond, that that relationship, it listen, if you have people admonishing for you, I haven't heard from you for three months.

Sarah Burke  17:41  
You know, I they can go fuck them drama. That's a dramatic

Jann Arden  17:45  
drama, and it's not that's not what a friend is. So if you guys are dealing with people like that in your life, you should never be admonished for time not spent. You know, it's one thing to stand somebody up four times in a row, different You're an asshole, then you're an asshole, period, because everybody's time is important. But if you're literally unable to, like, I'm sorry, I just, I can't make it, you know, people are busy, and then they come back with, well, you know what? I'm just gonna stop asking, because this is the fifth time that I've asked you to do something. And you You know what? Fuck off. And I mean that read the room, great. Get away from those people. They're just vacuous holes of nothingness. She goes on to say, from the sky caster magazine, attraction towards someone you're interested in is normal. When you meet someone new and you actually like them, your brain scintillates with feeling good chemicals, right? So we talked about that. But then when you get into the obsessive part of things, I think that's when it can go sideways. So you've never been obsessed about anyone, honestly, like, for reals, no,

Sarah Burke  18:46  
I don't think I've been obsessed with, like, you know, maybe we talked about this on the Ask Us Anything episode, but, like, there was a point where I was, like, pretty obsessed with reverse Cuomo of Weezer. But I was really young then, and I wouldn't call it anything real. But as a radio host, I have sure been on the receiving end, as I'm sure you have as an artist, where there's just someone in your DMS that's a little too persistent, and, you know, maybe seeing you at events and constantly sending you things, and it's like, I've already disengaged. I need you to leave me alone.

Jann Arden  19:17  
Yeah. I mean, I think when you're a public person. There's a whole other lid that gets lifted off the box. Yeah, I think I'm very fortunate that a Chris says that they don't tell me about half the shit. He says we don't tell you about 99% of the stuff. That's good. It's just not worth telling you. I think you guys remember us talking about a woman last summer that I had in my cul de sac, holding up a sign, yes. Now I think, as we discovered a little further down the line, because I sent the videotape to the RCMP, because I just they need to keep file of this stuff.

Sarah Burke  19:59  
Yeah. Yeah, and you were scared a little

Jann Arden  20:00  
bit. She was holding a horseshit sign. So I think it was something to do with the horses, right? But still, this woman was from eight hours away. Yeah, and how she figured out where I lived, I guess it's not that hard to find out where people live. Maybe I'm really naive.

Sarah Burke  20:19  
I don't know. I think, I think, if you're using that much energy to find out where someone lives, that's one of the red flags.

Jann Arden  20:35  
Sarah, you are dating, you're out there, kind of putting yourself out there and being really open minded, you know, maybe meeting someone that isn't your type or, yeah, you know, all those things, right? Whether it's body appearance, no hair, some hair, no, but you don't even it doesn't matter, right? But some people definitely have a type that they adhere to, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think feeling in love for you now at 37 is going to be a lot different than when you are even 27 Do you not agree?

Sarah Burke  21:11  
Yeah, okay, there

Unknown Speaker  21:12  
is a pause, yeah, big pause.

Sarah Burke  21:15  
No, no, I do. I do agree. But I think the the biggest thing is staying open minded. Because you know, even though, you know I might have some fun over here with someone comfortable, it doesn't mean I want to, like, end up in a companionship with them. If that right? No,

Jann Arden  21:28  
that's good play in the field, as they say. Men, men have done it for centuries, yeah, and it's all good with them. But women, we've always been a very taboo thing. Well, exactly, yeah, probably more so than men. Maybe we're not as driven because we're not

Sarah Burke  21:42  
my prime. Come on. Well, it's

Jann Arden  21:45  
interesting that you say that, because men are in their prime at 1817, or 18, that's their sexual prime, and women are, like, much older than that,

Sarah Burke  21:55  
around 40, I would say, yeah, like, or whatever.

Jann Arden  21:58  
So yeah, you're there.

Sarah Burke  21:59  
I joined a new dating app over the weekend. Well, what

Jann Arden  22:01  
is it called, and why? Actually,

Sarah Burke  22:03  
I shouldn't say joined is loose, because it's like I'm on a I'm on a wait list. That's how elite this fucking app is. You've gone through like this. No, it's not Raya. I was attracted to it. I got an ad for it on Instagram. So attracted to it, because the whole foundation of the app is bringing, like, ambitious people together for you know, someone to support your goals and keep you independent while having a companion. And that's maybe one of the like things that haven't worked out for me in the past, like people being like, really dependent, and me feeling like I'm babysitting someone. So I was like, Oh, I'll try that. And then it's like, you are on the wait list. 39,000 people to go. I'm like, oh,

Jann Arden  22:45  
ahead of you. 39,000 people ahead of you, unless

Sarah Burke  22:47  
you pay, unless you pay, and I haven't paid.

Jann Arden  22:50  
And what is the cost of this thing?

Sarah Burke  22:52  
I think it was like, 300 bucks, no, 400 bucks for three months, and I and 99 for a week. And I was just like, that is astronomical. 99 for one week. And that's where I'm like, probably not gonna do it, but I'm checking it out. They still send you things, like, they send you prospects and stuff. And that's where it's like, I just want to see what it was about. I was curious, and it has this, like, concierge service. But from everything I've read now that I've looked up this app after just being on the wait list, it's pretty elitist, and it probably won't go anywhere. But, well, keep us posted. Of course, I always

Jann Arden  23:29  
well, here's, here's an example of a dating app in the early 80s. Okay, okay, this is really what it was. So there was a strip in Calgary called, I don't know if it still exists. Maybe it kind of does. It was called Electric Avenue. It was all clubs. Welcome

Sarah Burke  23:43  
to electric Avenue is a song based outfit or No, no,

Jann Arden  23:48  
okay, I don't know. Coconut Joe's was one of them. There was like restaurants. There was the keg was along there. There was all these clubs. And what they did, let's say on a Wednesday night, from eight till 11, it was ladies only, and the drinks were three for one, three for one. So if you won one gin and tonic, you got three fucking gin and tonics for probably a buck 25 then. So this went on. People women would show up with their girlfriends. I went with my girlfriends a few times. It's three for one drinks, but we were smart enough to get the f out of there before 11 o'clock. So at 11 o'clock they let the men in. Now, you tell me, in what fucking world is that like? What that is? So

Sarah Burke  24:39  
I'm in disbelief right now? No,

Jann Arden  24:41  
no, I know, but this, this was a real thing. You guys send me voice notes, send me your messages on Patreon or send them on the socials and tell me what you remember. And it happened in every city. It was a real it was a thing. It was a North American thing, and it was in the 70s and the 80s. And you'd go in and it was a ladies night. For a few hours.

Sarah Burke  25:00  
Let's get the ladies liquored up before the guys come in exactly

Jann Arden  25:04  
and nobody thought anything of it. Can you imagine a club even daring to offer something like that in, in the climate that we have now, in the in the hashtag, me too, climate in, you know, the you know, even you know assaults and blaming women. Well, how much? What were you wearing? What did you have to drink? That whole kind of line of questioning. But yeah, I remember that going on. Yeah, some woman was talking about it in an op ed, which prompted me to bring it up today. But oh my god, is there anything like that now out there?

Sarah Burke  25:38  
I mean, I'm not a clubber. I'm really not a clubber. You can probably tell, other than going out, you know, for dinners with friends or to concerts or to sporting events, you know, I'm kind of not the club scene girl. I did at one point go to the clubs, you know, when I was younger, and I was so uncomfortable that I remember being like, I need to be this drunk to even go in the club setting, because I hated it.

Jann Arden  26:04  
Well, there's some people that still love going to a club. It ain't me. But you know what? If that's what you're into, God lover Lisa and Lisa and Bev and I are going to Toronto tomorrow, for a few days. We're going to go see a ball game. And I know the weather should be there now, I know it's all going to be beautiful, is it?

Sarah Burke  26:20  
It's beautiful. The sun is shining today. No humidity. Beautiful. 23 degrees. Okay, sun,

Jann Arden  26:24  
okay, good. Well, anyway, Lisa, who's 54 maybe 55 Yes, I think you might be 56 now, I'll stop there. I won't keep going higher. She loves a club.

Sarah Burke  26:37  
She wants to go. She said, The

Jann Arden  26:38  
only problem is she loves EDM music more than life itself. Like EDM music loves it, loves it, loves it. That's her jam. She listens to it 24 hours a day. She listens to it when she gets up in the morning to put her makeup on. It's EDM at 630 in the morning. But she said, The problem being, is that all the clubs, they don't start until like 11pm

Sarah Burke  26:56  
exactly like going

Jann Arden  26:58  
to see some of her favorite DJs that do this stuff, they don't start till one o'clock in the morning. Sometimes I try going to Vegas to do one of those shows. It's 1am in the morning. Okay, so

Sarah Burke  27:08  
a year ago, when I went to Greece, the girls that I was with, they were big clubbers. We were going out at like, midnight, 1am and it was so hard for me. That's why I'd be like, I need drinks. I don't know. Then, once we're in this environment, they don't want to leave and want to leave until 5am 6am I remember us sleeping in the rental car on the side of the road. Is hell. That is my hell. We slept in the rental car beside a castle

Jann Arden  27:35  
on this holiday. All of you are sleeping in the car.

Sarah Burke  27:38  
The one girl who was our DD, had a few drinks, and then it was like, Okay, well, now we have to wait till the morning. And it was just like,

Jann Arden  27:44  
word could you still be arrested for being in a car with keys, sleeping in it?

Sarah Burke  27:47  
I have no idea.

Jann Arden  27:49  
Yeah, in this country, you could. In this country, you'd be, you'd be arrested for a DUI. That's it, baby.

Sarah Burke  27:54  
I would give a gold star for not driving home. In that sense, it's

Jann Arden  27:58  
like you still got into your car and got to wherever you were.

Sarah Burke  28:00  
Oh no, no, the car, the car, stayed where it was. We just go, okay, that's where we were parked, beside a castle. And I remember we woke up in the morning, and I was like, Guys, we're still here. Like, that was the line that made us all erupted laughter. We're still here. Were you hung over? Yeah, I made the driver, Samantha, pull over for coffee as soon as we saw that's what a holiday

Jann Arden  28:25  
is all about. Listen, you're you're always gonna have those great memories. And

Sarah Burke  28:29  
Samantha is over 50 years old, so I'm sitting here as the 37 year old, being like, what we're going out at 1am

Jann Arden  28:35  
back in the day. This is, once again, the early 80s. Couple of my friends and I not going to name names, but we would get into my friend's mother's Cordova, this big land barge of a car. We would drive across the Montana border. It would take us three and a half hours to get there. We'd go to white fish, and we would drink like crazy and go to all these little bars. And I remember like beer being 99 cents like this is 40 some odd years ago, right, right? I remember you talk about waking up in a car beside a castle. I remember my friend Teresa brought this up not so long ago. We had all gotten in the car. Elise was such a good driver. She was She always would have like a couple of drinks if she was tipsy. We never knew. And she was a really good driver. She always drove us, but I remember rolling this electric window down in this giant white car with a red leather interior, and necking with this guy had one leg and was hopping beside the car trying to kiss me, hanging onto the door. He had one leg, and those are my kinds of memories from clubs and stuff. I mean, I was, you know, obviously 20 something years old, but maybe even younger, 19 Patrice is like, remember when you were necking with that guy? Necking? Such a Canadian thing. If you're in America listening to necking, it's basically hockey, tonsil, right? Making Out. Tonsil hockey.

Sarah Burke  30:01  
I don't use the word necking either, but

Jann Arden  30:03  
yeah, just necking with this guy, with him hopping beside the car. And we literally, my friend, just kept driving. He had to finally stop hopping. He couldn't keep up with the Cordova. Obviously, we just left him there at the side of the road. He probably thinks about me every day. I'm

Sarah Burke  30:15  
sure he does. I just heard about white fish for the first time. Wait, wait, is that what it's called, white fish. Yeah, it's great, great town. You might remember, like, a month ago, I told you, I made out with a fellow at a music festival.

Jann Arden  30:27  
Did he have one leg? Because I think, no, I didn't have one leg. But

Sarah Burke  30:31  
this guy has a home in Calgary, a home in Montana and white fish and a home in London, Ontario. And he just said he got back from whitefish, so I can assume he was just making out at the bars in Whitefish, basically, yeah,

Jann Arden  30:44  
and you used to be able to play blackjack in these bars, and they used to accept checks. I was writing checks all the time to keep playing blackjack. Oh, wow. I think back. Was that even real? Like, how did were these people just all so stupid? I mean, these checks, I don't know if they ever went through. I'm surprised I'm not in jail. Like, next time there's a knock on this door, it's probably going to be the somebody from Montana coming to arrest me for bounce checks in 1981 and you're just

Sarah Burke  31:09  
going to be like, I'm a wholesome person. I have this bird feeder. I've really calmed down.

Jann Arden  31:13  
I'm a wholesome Yeah, I never want to be in love again. I don't drink anymore.

Sarah Burke  31:18  
Love sober and alcohol. Sober got it? Love

Jann Arden  31:22  
sober. I want a t shirt that says, Love sober. We can arrange that. Maybe that's the Jan Arden podcast catch phrase is it? No, it's not. It's terrible. Moving on. Complete change of topic, and this has been something I'm just going to throw to you, and that is the choice for Vice President with Kamala Harris.

Sarah Burke  31:44  
You know, I brought this story in honor of our Caitlin. I feel, yeah, you know, she's got, she's got stakes in the rays. She's super excited. Of course, we're following. But this was, I feel like, a very Caitlyn story. Okay, there's two parts of this story. So, yes, she's announced, you know, her running mate. And do you have any thoughts on the running mate? Because I don't really. The one thing that sort of like stuck out is that they're using the word weird a lot in their campaigns. It's like a, it's like a low key shade like, instead of like,

Jann Arden  32:14  
attack, yeah, you guys are really weird. And I love it.

Sarah Burke  32:18  
I do too. I think it's kind of funny in that if someone said, yeah, like, that's just weird behavior, it's

Jann Arden  32:23  
hurtful. It's quite a negative connotation. But I feel like I'm a weirdo. I do too, which is kind of optimistic. But if someone comes up to me in a drug store and says, You're weird fucking weirdo,

Sarah Burke  32:34  
yeah,

Jann Arden  32:35  
I would be super hurt.

Sarah Burke  32:36  
I agree. I like the shade. I'm gonna call it low key shade that they're throwing that way. But the other really interesting thing, which I thought Caitlin would be super interested in, is this whole Charlie xe X social media frenzy fill us all in. So Charlie x y x, called Kamala Harris brat. And then I was like, What? What is the word brat? Have to do with this? And what does that even mean? So she's explained that this is the rejection of the clean girl esthetic that we're seeing on tick tock. And she says, Who feels like herself, but maybe also has a breakdown, kind of likes to party through it, is very honest, very blunt, maybe a little volatile, does dumb things. It's brat. You're brat. That's brat. And, well, I don't know a lot about Kamala Harris, and that exact definition, the results are in the data. You know there were 40,000 people when Biden stepped out, there were 40,000 people who signed up to vote in 24 hours, and 83% of them were young people, like these Tiktok generation people, right? And Charlie XCX the album cover for brat. It's like this green album cover. Kamala Harris put up some graphics that reflect the album cover, so she was buying into what this generation was doing on social media. And all together, there's a new humongous following for her, and it's kind of like brought this new energy to the race. It's kind of interesting just the way it's playing out.

Jann Arden  34:04  
Yeah, well, they're talking about her command of social media and how the Democrats have, in a very short period of time, what are we looking at a month now since Biden stepped back, not even weeks, two weeks, two weeks, two weeks. Look, look at what has happened in two weeks. As far as the energy, you know, people are very hyped up. They're

Sarah Burke  34:27  
very excited. July 21 is when he stepped out. Harris seems

Jann Arden  34:31  
really confident. And I like, I like the guy. I don't know anything really about any of these governors or stuff like that, but I was, I've been reading up the last, you know, couple of days since it was announced. And, I mean, he does a lot of good things, but he seems really sensible. And I love the fact he's going, I cannot wait to have a debate with JD Vance, and the place just went crazy. And

Sarah Burke  34:54  
he, he's got association with like Bernie Sanders, so, you know the circles that he's well in? And the sensibility that you're talking about there is going to be very attractive compared to the opposition.

Jann Arden  35:05  
Well, he just seems like he's got that farm background of the everyday man. And, you know, obviously there's a lot that goes into choosing a running mate for someone running for president. And they, they ran so many stats, Sarah, they ran so many possibilities. And the, I mean, this thing is AI to the max of how, how the numbers come out. Who did what, what their social media is like, who reacted, what they I mean, his whole legacy now is going to be picked apart. What he voted on, what he didn't vote on, yeah, the Republicans have been kind of like crickets. They don't know how to respond to this and JD Vance every time he opens his mouth. It's just stupid. It's so dumb.

One final thought before we go, because we do have bonus content to record for the Patreon members. We have like 170 576 Patreon members. If you would like to sign up for all kinds of first in line stuff. We're going to be doing our live event is going to be the first week of October. We're going to announce the exact date we have a venue. It's going to be a small event. So there's not going to be a lot of tickets. There's going to be about a there's going to be about 125 tickets, and the Patreon members have the first dibs at those tickets, and we will let you know on Patreon when the event is going to be up and ready to go. So the Patreon members will have first stab at that. And then, of course, we'll open it up. If it doesn't sell out right away.

Sarah Burke  36:41  
Sign up for our newsletter. We'll tell you in the newsletter all the information about it, but Patreon members, when they click the link, will have first access. Yes,

Jann Arden  36:49  
and we have a newsletter. I didn't know we had a newsletter. Yes, you did. No, I did know. And just we're gonna do some giveaways. I think we're gonna do our first giveaway next week. It's gonna be some kind of retro merch that I have here in the house, and I'm going to let Caitlin and Sarah know what that is. And so that's going to be available to Patreon. Anyway, a

Sarah Burke  37:08  
cool Cove giveaway that we're working on too. It's going to be a bunch of stuff, not just soda. So please wait on that. Anyway,

Jann Arden  37:14  
before we go away, I just want to ask your opinion. Okay, on this is not something I would ever do. So Tesla is now going to be using humanoid robots in self drive cars. They're starting this next year, and they're just going to have, like, humanoid robots that are being used internally, I guess, at the company. I'm not exactly sure how this works, but people are asking the question, do we need humanoid robots at all? I don't ever want to get into a vehicle or be in a plane, and I know planes are already on autopilot. Any fool knows that the pilot takes off and lands and in between, folks, they are sitting there on their iPads or reading a book while I'm just speculating what they're doing, but they're not flying the plane. The plane is flying the plane. That scares

Sarah Burke  38:07  
me. I wish I didn't know that

Jann Arden  38:09  
they're not sitting there steering for fucking 13 hours going to Fiji. They get it into the air, and then they land it like 45 minutes before. So when you think about a car anyway, the Optimus robot, the talus Optimus robot, is just one of several emerging humanoid robots. They're going to be coming out, like, next year. Like, it's one thing to see our d2 rolling, but a thing that walks into your living room. Oh, my, Jesus.

Sarah Burke  38:40  
Well, it'll be in the car. Maybe it's like just a seated robot. But here's my big question, and correct me if I'm wrong. If you've just put this out that you're gonna incorporate these humanoid robots, did you just tell us that your self driving is done and not working? Thanks for admitting Well, I

Jann Arden  38:58  
don't know. I mean, that's part of the use. It's tailored for planning, navigation this thing, so I guess that's what the robot would be doing sitting there, is navigating, like looking out at the road and navigating. Maybe that's it. It can identify some commonly used objects. It can carry out repetitious like dirty, dull and dangerous tasks. That's what they're hoping to replace. I would imagine it would be picking fruits, and I don't know, like any menial tasks that people do repetitively, like an auto factory line, like a assembly line. Anyway, they're coming, like they're literally going to be out here. We're five and a half months away from 2025. That is frightening. So if you have thoughts about, would you have a robot in your home? They've already offered things. There's things on Amazon that you can buy that will sit in your home. I forget what they're called, but they're, they're like, $600 and they sit there. It's not, it's not Alex. Yeah, I'm not talking to you, Alexa, but it's something that's even more than that.

Sarah Burke  40:05  
I'm even freaked out about my robo vacuum. It's interesting. Even in podcasting, there are several AI tools, right? And I've embraced some of them, but others like, you know, when you see those videos online and people are really, really choppy, like the video edit just doesn't look good. That's AI, okay, that's when AI has decided your video clips and where we record our podcast in Riverside. You know, there's, hey, let's use magic clips, and it does the editing for you. And while it's like a great option to have, I think it loses the human touch at that point. However, something like summarizing all the fucking topics that we cover in one episode. I'll take AI for that, for the summary that I can make our our own, for our show notes, you know what I mean. And do you do that? I'll basically cut and paste it, and then I'll rewrite, great, but you need the human,

Jann Arden  40:52  
yeah, no, you do need the human. Meta. Ai, came up in my whatsapp yesterday, uh huh. So you can just go search meta. Ai, it's one of your contacts in your WhatsApp. And I asked it. It said, you can ask me, you know anything. And they gave me examples of what I could ask. It Okay, are you planning a trip? Question mark, and so I went, what are things to do in Toronto?

Sarah Burke  41:14  
What did it say?

Jann Arden  41:16  
It was so fantastic that I don't even know what to tell you. I then I started asking all kinds of shit. I asked about plays that were going so it's like it. And then I it said, how many people are there? I said, there's three people. With three people, you can easily split, split costs and enjoy the island's activities. Because I was talking about going to Toronto Island, yeah, yeah. So it gave me a whole list of 50 things to do in Toronto. Then I said, Oh, I would like to go to Toronto Island. And it's like, let me help you plan your trip. Three people, you can easily split the bill and enjoy the island's activities together. Here's a suggested itinerary for a day trip to Toronto Island, 9am arrival and ferry. Arrive at Jack Layton ferry terminal and purchase your tickets. Approximately 2250, total for three people, take ferry to center island, main hub, 930 bike rental bikes, 20 to $30 a person, explore the isle scenic trails and beaches. 12 O'Clock lunch. They gave me a whole bunch of they're literally giving me Wow. Breakdown, it is so helpful. 1pm beach time. So eat your lunch. Spend the afternoon relaxing at hanlons Point Beach or center island beach. Take a dip in Lake Ontario, or simply enjoy the sun.

Sarah Burke  42:35  
Don't dent in Lake Ontario. We've already told you. Okay. 3:30pm

Jann Arden  42:39  
amusement park. Visit Centerville amusement park for some classic rides and games, approximately 10 to $20 a person for a few rides. 530 take the ferry back, return your bikes and catch the ferry back to the mainland. And it gives me a budget breakdown, and it says my total could be between 142 50 and 222. 50. I sat on my couch and I was just like, I don't even know what to say, like, do I love this or do I hate it? Like, I didn't know. I know

Sarah Burke  43:07  
it's it's alarming, but it's also so useful.

Jann Arden  43:12  
Then I asked about theater shows. What are shows running in Toronto right now? The list saved me so much time and how much the tickets were and if they were available, like it is, did

Sarah Burke  43:24  
you decide what you're going to Well, I

Jann Arden  43:27  
think we want to go to, Mean Girls,

Sarah Burke  43:30  
we looked at that the Mirvish right when I was at your place. I think we looked at

Jann Arden  43:35  
the Royal Alexander theater, yeah, until August 25 and you think you can ask us anything. Yeah, go to meta AI and ask them anything. Anyway, stay tuned. We've got lots of content coming up. I'm going to be grilling Sarah about how she takes criticism and why people are so why we criticize each other, why it's such a phenomenal part of our modern society, whether it's canceling someone criticizing how they hold their baby if they have the right dog fucking leash, if, why would you cut your hair like that? Like we're going to talk about that. Okay, on the other side of this podcast today, you

Sarah Burke  44:14  
want to do you want to play some voice notes? You

Jann Arden  44:15  
know what? I'd love to I love ending the show with some voice notes. And thank you for reminding me. We have some great voice notes from people. We're gonna play a couple and then we'll come back and we'll say goodbye.

Sarah Burke  44:24  
Okay, here we go.

Jann Arden  44:24  
Hey there. My name is Jan Arden, and I just want to tell you guys how much I love your podcast. Especially Jan, she is so funny and so cute, and I just think you're a nut. She's one of the best podcast hosts. God, I so agree. I've ever heard in my life, like I watch or listen to a lot of podcasts, and Jan Arden is, like, one of the greatest like, she just, she just is, like light years ahead of Sarah and Caitlin, like, she just seems so much prettier. And. Like, cuter and and more shiny somehow, like she's shiny the way she handles herself, and she seems to know a lot about,

Sarah Burke  45:08  
like, everything there's 20 seconds left of this. Like,

Jann Arden  45:12  
I wouldn't say she's a know it all, but she just knows so many things cut her off, like, so many useless things. Thanks

Sarah Burke  45:17  
for the voice note, Jan.

Jann Arden  45:18  
Guess I was making sure it worked. It

Sarah Burke  45:21  
works. You see?

Jann Arden  45:22  
Okay, do we have anybody else? Yes, we

Speaker 1  45:24  
do. Hi, Jen Caitlin and Sarah. It's Jen from Australia. I was so thrilled to hear Sarah mention the listener from Australia who has winter while you have summer, that I signed up for Patreon. However it's pronounced. The real mind fuck for me, though, is Christmas with reindeer sleigh and artificial snow during a heat wave. Love your show, listening for the next one. Well, thank

Jann Arden  45:51  
you for becoming a Patreon member. Sarah, that was all you like. Do I owe you? I give you $25 No, I'm

Sarah Burke  45:57  
joking. That's amazing. Thanks

Jann Arden  45:58  
for listening. And yes, we all dream of having hot Christmases, though, as much as we're like up here in the snow and Santa and reindeers and, you know, the frozen north pole, I'll tell you what, Sarah and Caitlin, I would love to get on a damn plane and come down to Australia to spend Christmas. Maybe we'll do that sometime. Anyway, okay, we

Sarah Burke  46:16  
got a few more. Hi,

Speaker 2  46:18  
ladies. That's Rhonda from Calgary. Sorry. My cat's purring away beside me here, but I just listened to your last episode of Ask us anything, and you talked about reading an audio book. So I just wanted to recommend a book I just finished listening to on the Libby app called emotional labor, the invisible work shaping our lives and how to claim our power. By Rose Hackman, I don't know if you could get this author on as a guest, but I think most of us could relate to her message of how our emotional and empathetic work in our careers, our relationship and general society is largely unpaid, unrecognized, and yet makes others lives very comfortable and makes companies a lot of money, and also relatable how we have to perform this emotional labor, often for our own safety in this world. I know I could certainly relate on a personal level, me too, and as a healthcare worker in Alberta and she also mentioned a hashtag that was trending at one point. It's hashtag, pay women. So I'm thankful to join your Patreon and give I know it's just a token, but an appreciation of the emotional labor you ladies do to bring joy to our lives. There must be times you guys feel like utter garbage, and you still come and bring it every week and make us so happy. So thank you so much. You're just so loved and valued. Oh my god. And Jen, I just wanted to send you a little thank you or a big thank you. I'm coming up on five years of my vegan anniversary, because of you, in August of 2019 I went and toured the Alice sanctuary that you had posted about, and I drove away that day of vegan and have never looked back. So you changed my life, and I'm just so so grateful. Love you. So much. Okay, bye. Love

Jann Arden  47:56  
you. Thank you. Wow, that was did that not make your day? Yeah, I thank you so much.

Sarah Burke  48:07  
One more. Last one ready? Hello,

Speaker 3  48:11  
Jan Caitlin, Sarah and previously, Adam. I've been a long time fan of your podcast. Hi Adam. And concerts. I've been to a few. I just tried to send one message. I'm not sure if it went through, but I just really wanted to thank you, Jan for the very special, awesome birthday cameo greeting I received from you almost five years ago now. It was a wonderful surprise for my family, and I just loved it, and still think of it probably every time I have my birthday. Thank you so much. Well, the

Jann Arden  48:46  
cameos are fantastic. Thank you very much for your voice note. You can find me on the CAMEO app. I have the link on my Instagram. I think the link is in Facebook as well, but you just click on there and it's $99 and I will sing. I will, like, I've mentioned this before, I've broken up for people cameo. I've asked people to marry, get married on cameo. I've actually done the proposal. I've said, like, amazing. Well, it's cool, and it's usually, it's usually lesbians that want me to propose for them. So I don't think I've done a straight couple, but that's okay.

Sarah Burke  49:19  
$99 you can join the League dating app, or you can get a personalized message from Jan, I'm born with that cameo. Yeah,

Jann Arden  49:25  
but I won't say how much I've raised. So imagine doing these videos, what? 99 bucks at a time? Yeah, for the last four or five years, like our caller mentioned, and we've raised, I've raised with the help of all these amazing people, hundreds of 1000s of dollars, 100% of it is donated to animals all over the world, and Alice sanctuary is one of the people that have benefited from those cameo videos. So thank you. Yes, but it's all donated 100% anyways, we're gonna stop there, because I can't take any more positive. Thank you for joining Patreon. Thank you for being vegan. Thank you for thinking about what you're going to eat. Sarah, as always, thank you for being awesome. Caitlin, we miss you. Hope you're having a wonderful time on the East Coast. I'm sure you are. We will see you on the other side of this come and join us for more on Patreon. We'll see you next time. Totally Do you.