There's No Crying on TikTok

Jann Arden  0:00  
Hello and welcome to the Jann Arden Podcast. I'm here with Caitlin gray. Sarah Burke and you know what? It's officially Fine. Fine. It's officially farmer. That's what I was gonna say. It's officially farmer, which is fun and summer joined together. And it's a farmer, ladies and gentlemen. I love that actually. Farmer. Yeah. Oh my god. It's the best farmer ever

Sarah Burke  0:25  
name of episode.

Jann Arden  0:26  
Yeah, we just watched the Irish children rapping. And Caitlin, I'm going to you because I just seconds ago watched part of the clip. And it's pretty special. There's nothing like an Irish accent to just jump you up

Caitlin Green  0:43  
an Irish accent and also just the heartwarming nature of like kids in the arts. And when I see kids expressing their creativity, if you look over at me and make eye contact with me at a children's choir performance, you will see a grown woman bawling her eyes out like I nothing is cuter to me. So these kids, it was part of a an arts Awareness Day in Ireland. They did a rap, they did it on almost no money. They recorded it in a day, they went to a recording studio that frequently works with children, and they shot a music video for it. And it is now taking over the internet. It is just absolutely one of the greatest things I've ever seen in my entire life that's called the spark is the name of the song. I feel like we need to play a little chunk of it so that everyone listening knows what we're talking about. They don't have to go Google it. Let's

Jann Arden  1:31  
listen to that right now.

Caitlin Green  1:32  
That's my passion and like, if you can do it like we do it Don't doubt. Any obstacle, we find a way around it if you're proud of who you are and what you do show.

Unknown Speaker  1:55  
Can stop

Unknown Speaker  2:03  
everybody, stop.

Caitlin Green  2:06  
It immediately amasses over 8 million views.

Jann Arden  2:09  
The kids must be going bonkers.

Caitlin Green  2:11  
Oh my gosh, I know. It's all nine to 12 year old. It's boys. It's girls. There's refugees in this group. Like it's just so cool. And it's very empowering with the message. I love it. And one of my favorite comedians. She has a show in Dublin and she said that she's going to play it as her walk.

Sarah Burke  2:29  
Well, this is like kind of a step back in time. When did you as a kid, step into the arts? Like was there choir was there? talent shows?

Caitlin Green  2:39  
We'll start with you, Jan.

Jann Arden  2:40  
I think you guys know my story. I was just playing my mom's guitar in the basement. Never in front of the school. No, no, not until I graduated but I loved I loved art. I loved Mrs. Humphreys or miss Schneider whichever. I think it might have been Miss Humphries and Mrs. Schneider or miss Schneider and Mrs. Humphries. I always screw up what her married name was. But anyway, she was fantastic. So lots of singing in her class. She'd bring in a record player and her Anne Marie Joni Mitchell, Mama Cass records, but I tried out for the young Canadians when I was 15, which is affiliated with the Calgary Stampede, and it's a huge musical organization with the stampede and they do the grandstand show every year. It's a huge thing for these kids. I tried out and I didn't make him sorry. I got past the singing thing, but I couldn't dance to save my life. So then I just want some combo I get it. Okay, so I just decided drinking beer 15

Caitlin Green  3:32  
I mean, that's honestly though, that is stampede culture. I feel I got into it. I was in a choir. And my elementary school. We had a teacher. He was the librarian and the quartermaster. And his name was Mr. Thompson. And he was married to Mrs. Thompson, my favorite junior kindergarten teacher. And he was strict. He had tryouts. Then he had another set of tryouts, like, there were like finalists, and he meant business. And so we were, we would win, like choir competitions. And then he picked his favorite, you know, singers, the people he thought had the most interest in it. And I auditioned for the Toronto youth choir and I got into the Toronto youth choir, which was like a competitive like children's choir. I knew it. I was very clearly an alto. I was immediately placed in the boys section, which wasn't great for my social life. But anyways, and so it was a lot of fun. And then one of my longest standing friends who I'm still great friends with today, he and I actually co hosted we sort of emceed and were the stars of our talent show at school and grade six. And then it just sort of snowballed into love and drama in high school and like, I just loved it. And like we had a real stage of my high school, they feel mean girls there. So it was like spotlight on auditorium. And just like the vibe of it was so addictive for me. I couldn't get over it. We had to do a stand up. I think it was two minutes to do two minutes of stand up in our senior year in high school for our drama class. Our drama teacher was also very serious about everything to do with performing arts. This was the first thing you did all year because he was like it was like this torturous like icebreaker for everyone to become more comfortable with each other afterwards. And everyone was like throwing up in the bathroom beforehand at school just like sick, like sick to their stomach and our drama class. He loved having an audience and so sometimes for finals, he would invite people to come in if they had a spare class and just sit in the auditorium and watch us. And like that's merciless in high school. So people are understandably quite anxious. I was like, electrified. I couldn't wait. I was so excited to do it. But then like, put me in gym class and I was like, well get me the hell out of here. So I liked

Jann Arden  5:33  
gym. You did? Yeah, I really liked gym. I was kind of athletic. I was kind of very coordinated. I was on the senior basketball team. I was on the volleyball team. I played badminton. I played softball, I was really good. I was I could play any position like pitcher. Bat catcher.

Sarah Burke  5:47  
I might need you at some point. Yeah, well, I'm

Jann Arden  5:49  
telling you, I don't know I'd probably break an ankle and put an eye out now if I was to try anything but but back in the day I was quite good. But I would love to you know with summer upon us I'd love to join like a casual softball team. I think that would be really fun. But with who would do it who would have me I

Sarah Burke  6:08  
mean, I feel like my team would be like, yes, you can join even if you just want to like pitter patter to first like

Caitlin Green  6:13  
jam plays virtually a laptop with wheels on it.

Sarah Burke  6:17  
Well when she's in town at the Toronto condo, yeah.

Jann Arden  6:19  
Are you guys still watching hockey since the Maple Leafs are out? Not that I want to bring up hockey but I guess I just absolutely

Caitlin Green  6:24  
not. There's

Sarah Burke  6:26  
one man that I like watching hockey with and that's the only reason I'm still watching hockey. Oh, well,

Jann Arden  6:32  
Edmonton, ZAN. So it's Alberta. So everyone's quite excited. So we're still going on that. Oh, I

Caitlin Green  6:39  
like the Oilers. Zach Hyman is on there. Okay, fine.

Jann Arden  6:42  
I don't see you know, people I don't even know people. The last hockey player I knew is Ken Dryden, who's the goalie for the Montreal Canadiens. And that was like 19 satisfy a different

Sarah Burke  6:51  
era of hockey.

Jann Arden  6:55  
So what else is happening in the world of pop culture, Caitlin, because not that I have my ear to the ground. But I

Caitlin Green  7:00  
mean, where do I begin? So much happening all the time? What's

Jann Arden  7:04  
happening? Because this is this is your thing. What do the people need to know?

Caitlin Green  7:09  
People need to know about this security guard at the Cannes Film Festival in France, this woman is taking the headlines from every single celebrity there because typically people want to get that photo on the red steps at Cannes it's this big moment frequently there. They were something by design who sent it to them so they're photographed for this purpose. And the Cannes Festival used to be something where if you weren't part of the festival, it would be less common to go wasn't the same sort of like influencer inundated event that it is now. So I guess you're not supposed to dilly dally on the old steps. And she has been giving the straight arm like shove like she's like a bouncer. She's a nightclub bouncer at a university town to just like, these waifish small like Kpop stars. So she first did this to Kelly Rowland of Beyonce r&b of Beyonce. That feels good enough. That was Friday. That was Friday. And I don't I'm not she's not owned by

Jann Arden  8:04  
Beyonce fame. But let's face it of Beyonce fame of Destiny's

Caitlin Green  8:08  
Child slavery. So anyways, she shows her she tries to cover her She's ruining the photos, and she's rushing her away. And then when Kelly Rowland was asked about it, she got quite emotional because it's like, it's rude. And and it's weird. It's just weird behavior is no

Jann Arden  8:23  
one checking this woman is no one's saying let's have 60 seconds. Kelly

Caitlin Green  8:27  
did Kelly was like no Kelly got in her face back at her. But then everyone starts painting Kelly is being angry. And I think that's why she got so upset. So that's unfair. And like there aren't a lot of like African American women like historically on this carpet. So she felt like maybe I'm being mistreated, and now being mischaracterized for having like a logical response to somebody putting their hands on me. And then she did it to a Kpop star. She did it to some other like teeny tiny little model. And then I'm like, can we stop

Jann Arden  8:51  
talking about me in those tiny,

Caitlin Green  8:54  
teeny tiny little Kpop model Jack Caitlin, how

Jann Arden  8:57  
many times are we gonna have this conversation I don't want to be talked about in that way.

Caitlin Green  9:02  
It's tea cup. So anyways, she she's been I've been calling her Paulina Barth or blurt to my friends because it's like Paul Blart. But it's like the Mall Cop gone wrong for can and she's taken all these headlines. And so other security guards are backing her up and I'm like, Okay, you guys are all weirdos. I mean, like, what is she doing beyond this? Is she just like a for hire person but I need a full documentary. I need like a Nancy Grace expos I on her I'm obsessed with this woman. I don't know what's wrong with her. But she's had one too many read boyfriend last

Sarah Burke  9:32  
night I went to Zion Tonks premiere of plastic people last night. I'm jealous. And my friend actually got like, so it was at the Royal I don't know if you either of you have been to that theater? I have oncologist Toronto. Yeah, yeah. So after you know, people were using the bathroom and there was a little reception across the street. And my friend actually was like, asked to like, leave where she was. And she was like, Well, my friend is still in the bathroom and she was like, you can go back to the bathroom. Isn't that the weirdest? Comment like you can go back to the back. AKA you can't stand anywhere else but the bathroom or outside. Hey,

Caitlin Green  10:06  
I'm sorry, but like security guards like you it's a fine line between just like I'm just here doing my job or being like a sick loser who's like getting off on Route guys.

Sarah Burke  10:15  
I thought we learned everything we needed to from XyO last week, but you know what I learned yesterday? Oh, Scariff Bayfield, Ontario, tiny, tiny, tiny little Ontario town and obey Phil, they are a plastic free community and they have been for years and they are part of this like world collective of plastic free communities. No, she talked about I don't remember her talking about this. Yeah, really? She talked about this because I was like, I mean, I missed part of last week that maybe I blacked out while editing.

Caitlin Green  10:46  
But it's either she referenced it while we were recording or just to Jana and I but I did. Okay. Okay.

Jann Arden  10:52  
I think it was a very quick reference of a plastic free community and that there was other communities and stuff. I wish I was a plastic free house, but I've thought of nothing but plastic ever since she talked to me you too. And Caitlin about this stuff. Because I feel like my whole life and I was checking my sheets, like my shirt that I have on has some kind of plastic in it. It's linen, but on the label. There's 10% Some frickin polyethylene Vitalina, which now we look for. So I don't know if it's to extend the life of the shirt, which I'm pretty sure it is linen is very, it can come apart. And I bet you that 10% of the plastic content is to give this shirt more life. So how do you balance that out? I don't want this thing to fall apart in eight months, because I wash fucking everything so much. I am my mother's child, I'm surprised I have skin. We used to pull our socks on his children, our foot would go through the end, there was so much bleach.

Sarah Burke  11:51  
But you know what the whole point of the film is like, you know, we need plastic, we are dependent on plastic. And we want it for certain things in society, like medical world is a perfect example. But that whole films message is let's limit and stop, you know, new production and new ideas.

Caitlin Green  12:10  
I also think it's about corporate like it's about corporate accountability and like government accountability, because so much of this stress is passed off on to the individual, as if like I said it in the episode. But do you think like all of our paper straws are saving the turtles? Or do you think that maybe it's actually oil and gas not being such a huge problem

Sarah Burke  12:28  
or her comment about like the yogi like sitting on a yoga mat, but like made of plastic?

Jann Arden  12:33  
Can we reuse what we have effectively? Yeah, can we and this is the problem now but every I'm always encouraged by Instagram or socials these days, for young men from Zimbabwe have devised a plan. And you see these time lapse pieces of these entire communities cleaning out literally plastic that is over your hair. And over the course of an afternoon. It's bagged, sorted, taken to the proper place. And for the first time ever, they're seeing fish kind of return to these little pathways. So people really are getting sick of the junk in their own backyard. And people are reacting and they're getting together. It's like do we just sit here and stare at this and watch it get higher? I know in the area that I'm in Bray Creek, Cochran area, when I go to the dump here, I have to have everything separated out, you can be fined if you do it improperly. She asks when you go in, you pay $3 for a bag. And she's like, Do you know where your garbage is going? Is it separated? Can there's any glass it can't go into the compact or like this massive compact her. But she says What What is your address? Are you from this area? So they don't even have people from? It's very protective, I guess during Yeah, it's it's but people don't screw around. Okay, I had a woman say to me a couple of weeks ago that No, no, not that it's colored. It can't go in there. And she was nice about it. But she was like I said, I'm sorry. I haven't come here very much. I said I'm really sorry. I'm just learning that so okay. God gave me a free pass this time. I'm just like, holy shit. It's

Caitlin Green  14:11  
like firm but fair. But I also didn't realize like you can't recycle black plastic containers in Toronto. They're not recyclable. So when you get like takeout containers and the black plastic is because the the sorters at the recycling facilities, the black is on a black conveyor belt and so it's indistinguishable for the machines to tell the difference.

Jann Arden  14:30  
Okay, yeah. Wait, don't make black takeout containers clear?

Caitlin Green  14:35  
Yeah. And and like they have amazing biodegradable containers now that that just have like a little light coating on them otherwise they're they're cardboard and your food shows up just fine. I mean, I will specifically aim for places where I guess that's what they give it to you is in and it's it makes a difference because I also I feel like crap putting a piece of black plastic in a garbage can and 2024 I

Sarah Burke  14:58  
reuse them constantly. My building does doesn't allow the sorting of like the food composting part. So all that is going in the garbage and I've asked at like a few of the like, you know, annual meetings where you can log on as a resident of the building and you know, ask your questions. I'm like, why don't we have this yet? Every other building in Toronto has this. Yeah, I

Jann Arden  15:17  
have food in my building. I have a food shoot a button that you wait yeah. Oh, so it's quite good tries to order and I've been to the garbage room downstairs. And it is as clean as the day is long. Everyone. chips in. Everyone pulls their cardboard everyone flattens it out. I have never seen a box that someone goes walk it. I'm just going to chuck it in there. Somebody else can deal with it. Everyone that I've ever seen down there is flattening it out, pushing it down with their feet. And laying it in there. I just like everyone gives a shit about their building. Except mine. It is so clean. We're gonna come over I'm gonna come over. You know what the answer

Sarah Burke  15:51  
was? Sarah be great. If you could do some research on that and lead the charge on that. I don't work for the building. Like I'm happy to but like, what about we should all care about this? Yeah. Have you

Jann Arden  16:03  
ever seen those Indian fast food it's a phenomenon on social like on on. They have fun music on tick tock. It's a phenomenon you see, like these guys that have been cross legged on not kidding you for 30 years on the ground. And they've got they're just slopping stuff in and it looks so crazy what they're making, whether it's Chai teas, but they're literally serving 1500 people every day. All their takeout stuff is on a leaf. So when they're making their rice things, or anything, they fold these leaves in seconds into like a little box that opens up and they eat it with their fingers. So a I get that I think a fork is overrated. If I can eat everything with my hand I probably would except for soup. And but it's just like it's a leaf and it just it just compost wherever they put it like on the ground or that's that. And I bet your animals eat them when they chuck them out. I bet you something else eats at a cow or some anyway, I also

Caitlin Green  16:58  
feel like there's a there I have watched something on this and it was about a it's like the steel you'll see the stainless steel containers that they use for bicycle driven deliver and

Jann Arden  17:09  
over and over again and everyone everyone has their own containers. Yeah, and

Caitlin Green  17:13  
it's incredible and it's they do office delivery lunches and you'll see people on on bikes delivering them and tons of places all around the world. And here in Toronto, even like we have a farmers market that happens indoors in the winter outdoors in the summer at Evergreen Brickworks one of my very favorite places to go in the whole city and by far my favorite farmer's market. And so when you go there, you can have lots of amazing food to eat. And we went this past weekend, we'll had his first giant breakfast crepe, we just loved it. You sit on a little bench overlook the pond, you have to snack, but the every vendor there doesn't give you your food with a paper plate and plastic fork and knife. It's these blue plastic plates, and then cutlery are the same and you dump it in a bin at the end of it and they reuse it every single week. So there's it's not just disposable, you're like this is not hard to do. My very favorite organic grocery store is called raise the root it's run by two wonderful women, it's in Leslieville they have a take a bag, leave a bag policy, instead of dealing with the 35 cent charge to get a bag whatever I show up with my backlog of reusable bags, love it. I dump off like eight and then days when I go there and I forget to bring a bag with me they go oh, just grab one and they always have them and it makes perfect sense to me. Yeah, and it's cheap as hell. It's so cheap and like there's no reason not to be doing this. You

Jann Arden  18:28  
know, you're right. But Zeitung plastic people is the film. It's her first film, and she is an incredible person and she cares about this world and she's a friend of our show for sure. But if you get a chance to see plastic people, I highly recommend you do she's even very practical about it guys, she's like listen, you're not going to eliminate everything in your life but you can start drinking out of glass containers or stainless steel containers. You can use all your glasses at home and not always buy cheap plastic Solo cups you can actually take something a little more anyway we could go on and on about that I want to move on quickly.

Caitlin Green  19:03  
One last thing on the green things the good for the planet things are also friend who hasn't been on the show yet but should really be Erin Ireland. She recommended honeys ice cream, which is a vegan ice cream place here in Toronto and said this is the best vegan ice cream I've ever had. We were discussing our dinner I'm going we're going so I just discovered today that one of my favorite again little like markets near me sells honeys ice cream by the pint. So I bought the vegan

Sarah Burke  19:31  
started without us. It's so rude. I'm

Caitlin Green  19:33  
sorry, but I thought you were a very cool person. I had to do it and I already had a little a little bite of it even though it was like 1030 After my Pilates class

Sarah Burke  19:42  
is it beside you on the desk right now?

Caitlin Green  19:45  
It was heavenly chocolate chip cookie dough. It was a dream it is creamy not watery. It is dense, not like airy and chewy like some other vegan ice creams I've tried it's fantastic. So I cannot cosign honeys enough and same with her Happy pops and Jan they are interested in sending us some happy pops to try. They're vegan. They're amazing. It's literally just pureed strawberries or lemon and mint or whatever and there will love them. If you have kids this is a great summer treat to give them watermelon also fantastic. They have watermelon mint like I just I could go on and on. I go through a four pack of their strawberry happy pops very regularly. So I want to shout them out.

Jann Arden  20:21  
I just dragged out my old school popsicle molds. Oh

Sarah Burke  20:28  
I love making popsicles. So I

Jann Arden  20:31  
don't have them in the winter for some reason I kind of put them in the back of my cupboard I dragged them out yesterday. And I make I put watermelon in the blender. I put mint in the blender. I put basil in the blender and I put thick coconut cream. I blend it up. It's like this beautiful Rosae little green chunks and I dump it into the molds and I put it in the freezer in my garage. There's no extra sweetener I don't like the extra sweetener. I just have this coconutty watermelon each day. But if you wanted to throw in a little agave or a little maple syrup some people do but you don't need sugar like you really don't watermelon sweet.

Caitlin Green  21:11  
Watermelon is sweet and sour strawberries and definitely mango but in in

Jann Arden  21:15  
your mind. It tastes sweet. It's so frickin good. So if that's a recipe you like but you could swap out your model watermelon with anything. And you'd have to do mint and basil. It's just a motto good. Yeah, you'll love it. Okay, now we're going to move on quickly. Leave the disastrous details of your life off Tik Tok. Once again. I'm going to put this over to you Caitlin. A single mom posted a video of herself crying while baking. Okay, explain it.

Caitlin Green  21:42  
This story has destroyed my brain. And it has made everyone on the internet who watched it go. Okay, we're done here. We just have to leave this alone. A woman posts a photo so she sets up her phone right she sets it up on her counter to film herself crying, which right there that scares me. That type of behavior scares me somebody who is going into a performative place of that. I mean, it frightens me it's deeply unsettling to watch someone do this. I don't like everyone cries

Jann Arden  22:08  
on Tik Tok Caitlyn, everyone's bawling in their cars, people always do tic TOCs in their cars, they set their frickin phone up and they cry.

Caitlin Green  22:15  
It scares me. It's your

Sarah Burke  22:17  
commentary leading up to this conversation. Like because I've seen your posts. I'm like, This is so funny. It's

Caitlin Green  22:24  
quick. It's just, it's unwound my everything. So she posts this thing and it's herself baking a cake and she says, you know, this is what it looks like when you're a single parent, you have to bake yourself a birthday cake so your kids have something to sing with you for which is it's an ostensibly sad thing, but also I was like, Okay, I'm like, Okay, first of all, yes, this is sad when you frame it that way. But secondly, do you think married people are out here giving each other cakes every year? Like order yourself a cake from Dairy Queen like the rest of us.

Jann Arden  22:52  
I don't even do birthdays. I don't even do my birthday. Actually. We know every day. It's my birthday Caitlin's.

Sarah Burke  22:56  
40 By the way,

Caitlin Green  22:58  
I don't know if you guys have birthdays today.

Jann Arden  23:02  
That wouldn't surprise me. So she

Caitlin Green  23:04  
makes this video and she has you know a certain group of people are like you know here with you mom like look single parenting. I can't imagine anything harder in the world. You have all you have, you know, my heart goes out to you. But then a bunch of people were like, wait a minute, this is weird. No one's doing this for us. Why are you crying on camera like this is just like grow up. Just don't do this. For clout on the internet. I don't know why I'm nervous laughing. Then enter. Enter the Tick Tock reply of her ex husband. Oh, so this guy shows up and this man has court documents with him. He pops on to Tik Tok and holds up court documents saying that's rich that she makes it sound like she has, you know this horrible life as a single parent, when in fact, I have full legal custody of the kids. They're always with me even on holidays. Here's our custody agreement. She back owes me 21,000 in child support and was previously arrested for check fraud. I was like what? So everyone's like jumpscare. And everyone thinks like, Okay, so our spidey senses were right the first time around with this person when it's like anyone who films himself crying baking a cake is probably unwell. So then she becomes the main character of the internet for a minute, which is not where you want to find yourself ever in this world. So she then she comes back at him and says, This man is a Scientologist, who has been stalking me. And I have a restraining order against him. And I will say that I saw when he posted his video, there was a look in his eye where I was like, I don't know, like, he seemed weird to they just seem to so weird, this whole thing. And then everyone on the internet who was watching this play out in real time, I feel like we all kind of collectively looked at each other and just went, Okay, so we were all good here. They're both insane. They've shared way too much information about themselves. I'm afraid of both of them. And I feel really concerned about the safety of their kids. Because what is happening, dads are Scientologists. She's passing bad checks to the tune of a million dollars like what is happening and why do people feel the need when they have this level of skeletons in their closet? To To put this all out there, like why do they do that? It's like that woman who do you remember the story about the woman who was living off of insurance, she was living off of long term disability. And then she won a Christmas tree throwing competition, because she was faking it. And there's a photo of her in her town newspaper that one can chuck in a Christmas tree. And everyone's like, well, your back injury doesn't look so bad there, Martha, because you're throwing a Christmas tree and winning a competition for it. So again, I say, just don't do this to yourself. Don't tell on yourself. Why do people tell them themselves because

Jann Arden  25:32  
their need for fame, you SERPs? Anything else? The desire to monetize likes. If I have one more person on Tik Tok asking me to watch the full 60 seconds of the things that they can pay for their son's college degree, or whatever, you need to watch the full 60 seconds. So obviously, in Canada, we don't pay to play. It doesn't exist on the tick tock formats here. Now, if it's a different story of someone gets sponsorships or endorsement deals, I know that there's some pretty big tick talkers that, you know, depend heavily on getting Burger King or pizza pizza or whatever. Yeah, to give them some money to peddle their products, but in the States, they can make hundreds of 1000s of dollars. But people are I think, mentally unhinged. I think they're unwell. That desire to be known for something and Andy Warhol said it best, everyone's going to be famous for 15 minutes. So you have to be very mindful. What do you want that 15 minutes to look like? Do you want it to be saving somebody from you know, lifting up a car? That or do you want it to be filming yourself with a birthday cake balling your head off saying your kids don't like you? I don't know where our moral compass has gone. I don't know where our moral,

Sarah Burke  26:51  
there's a red onion beside her cut up that she forced just

Caitlin Green  26:55  
like jamming a knife into her leg. While she's filming. I wouldn't be surprised. But we've lost our moral compass. I think it went out the window with social media. But I just, I need people to stop doing this. And what I really need to do is myself stop getting so caught up in it. But it just comes into my algorithm. And I'm like, what?

Jann Arden  27:11  
So how did it end gets, you

Caitlin Green  27:13  
know, the meme of the two Spider Man pointing at each other. And that's what I think happened. And it was just the two of them pointing each other and it's like, you're both crazy. And you have to just like walk away from it, because but I could never have seen it going in that direction. That's just not what I would have thought that there would be a Scientology twist involved like it's just, Lord help us all.

Jann Arden  27:31  
Well, it's a never ending, we'll social media. We love it. We can't stay away from it. I always hate it when I look at my screen time at the end of any day, especially when I've been traveling on the road. No, it always climbs up there. So I feel such a sense of shame and frickin failure. You know, I've been on the road for five weeks. And I'm like, you've been looking at your screen for seven hours in what four minutes. I'm like, what, you also have an hours in

Sarah Burke  28:02  
your day, you have more in your day about passing the time, the trip to the venue and

Jann Arden  28:07  
you're streaming anything, even when you're watching things, it all counts as time. So if you spend 30 minutes scrolling through shit or whatever, but I was like, I think I looked four or five days ago when I was still on the road you like in the van or the plane or seven hours? Over seven hours?

Caitlin Green  28:26  
I'll tell you what. I mean, that doesn't surprise me. When you said that number. I was like not shocked, honestly. But what I noticed and it's such a positive, you know, benefit to having a child is if I have my phone out at any point he wants to see it he demands it. And so I purposely avoid bringing my phone out now because I don't want will to see me with it. So I'm actually on my phone I'm way less available when I'm with will so weekend's like it's hard to reach me honestly, because if he's awake, I don't want to handle my phone. So I do think that being more aware of his screen time has made me more aware of mine. And like embarrassed and I for sure I'm melting my brain doing it.

Sarah Burke  29:06  
Seven hours 42 minutes average screen time. I bet What am i What's where am I on?

Unknown Speaker  29:12  
Well,

Jann Arden  29:13  
they're back in the day. I remember like even like before COVID If it was like two hours and 10 minutes I'd be like you gotta fucking do better it's two hours and 10 but I don't and I have looked at stuff last like I'm really not I don't look at tick tock very often. It's not my realm

Caitlin Green  29:31  
minds terrible to what is

Sarah Burke  29:33  
it? Five hours 25 520

Jann Arden  29:36  
Okay, you're you're you're doing better

Caitlin Green  29:37  
you're winning better but it's still not good.

Sarah Burke  29:42  
That's so fun. Well, even with like, you know, I post for clients, some of my clients like you know, if it's eliminating a step I will be posting and even like for the gym podcast, right? Like if I'm posting something that counts towards my screentime but I would guess that I would be around the two hour mark of like mindless Snakes for sure. It

Jann Arden  30:01  
can be pretty mindless. I really love news articles. I spend probably most of my time on an app called Flipboard. Oh, yeah. Oh, you guys will laugh at me. But it's the archaeology pages. That's great. And, and in getting prepared for my trip to Edinburgh with my metal detector that folds up and goes in your suitcase. You're bringing it, it's a travel one.

Caitlin Green  30:26  
So I need video content of you roaming around like the B you will get it. I will

Jann Arden  30:30  
you will get it and I'm going to find shit. And I'm going to I'm going to pay off my house.

Caitlin Green  30:37  
Roving horde. You're aggravating.

Jann Arden  30:39  
Yeah. Anyway, I'm just so I've been looking at Citrix and what people are doing and how they're shoveling out their stuff and don't be tricked by this and, you know, make sure you go down an extra two inches to make sure Oh, I know if you've just joined us if you've just joined us. So but that's Flipboard if you guys don't know about it, it's a it's probably got 600 sub headings of how you can curate looking at it and it's so like I follow mud larking, which is people on the tablet or people on on on rivers that have a title that have a tide that have a tide and go out. People find all kinds of stuff from hundreds and hundreds of years ago but they

Caitlin Green  31:27  
just go out when the tide goes out. And they just like muck about you

Jann Arden  31:30  
have to have a license. You have to have a license to mudlark. Yep. You can't just go down there. You have to have a license and you have to have some training to be where there's title. You don't want to be caught when the tide comes in on the Thames. No, I would imagine not. I've been watching that a lot. So that's my my seven hours is being eaten up by mud larking metal detector ring. You know,

Sarah Burke  31:55  
I love Oh, it's a verb. No,

Caitlin Green  31:57  
I love it. That's such an adorable whimsical name for what I just imagine is like mucking about looking for some trash.

Jann Arden  32:04  
Imagine that you're in the mud and you're marking about. Yeah, it's

Caitlin Green  32:08  
great marking is great. Yeah, it's a lovely name. It reminds me of when a steel clam digging as a child and Prince Edward Island.

Sarah Burke  32:16  
Isn't that touching?

Caitlin Green  32:18  
I was a bit of a mud Lurker myself, Jan. Well,

Jann Arden  32:21  
I think I did my fair amount of mud lurking in my own way as a kid we were always in catching frogs. And if there's any kind of water, you know, when you're in the prairies, you're kind of landlocked. And any kind of any kind of water was always fun. I remember me and Leonard Dale found a pair of wooden dentures on the side of a little river bank. And I was so do wouldn't wouldn't dentures.

Caitlin Green  32:46  
I have nightmares. I have recurring nightmares, but wooden teeth. That's horrifying to me

Jann Arden  32:51  
a little bit of little bit of white paint still on them. And we tried to fit them in our mouths. No Jan art and well they went by Oh, I mean, what could have been on there. It was just the

Caitlin Green  33:02  
worst part about it. As long as they were fresh, but they were

Jann Arden  33:05  
wooden teeth and my mom was mortified. And you know what, what I wouldn't do to have those wooden teeth and God knows. My childhood made them disappear. They just disappeared into the abyss. But oh gosh,

Sarah Burke  33:18  
my mum used to throw out anything I brought home like secretly that I was obsessed with that she knew wasn't good for my social image. There was this sweatshirt and I wore it for like a week straight. And she was like, Oh, I don't know where it went. Because she was worried about me becoming like, I would do this.

Jann Arden  33:35  
The Stinky kid in class. Is there a stinky kid in the class? I don't remember. You're lucky if

Caitlin Green  33:40  
you only have one.

Sarah Burke  33:42  
Oh, yeah. The kids are all stinky public school with

Caitlin Green  33:45  
30 kids in Toronto. You got a couple stinkers?

Jann Arden  33:48  
No, no, we smelled like shit. We smelled like chicken shit. And I went to the to a country school. So everyone had muck about chores in the morning. Well, listen, before we go, I do want to spend a few minutes Sarah has been going through some health stuff with her dad, you were in here. So what's been going on with your dad? And it's all been kind of shocking, but this is the life we live in. You know, you're fine. One second. And the next day the doctor tells you oops, we got a little problem. Yeah, Houston. Well,

Sarah Burke  34:16  
and what's so interesting about this experience, like it's it's just been like two weeks at this point that we are recording. You know, I went for dinner with Jan and Caitlin and at that point, like there was a mass found and we didn't know much about it. And I didn't even mention it to them because I wasn't even ready to engage in the conversation yet. And then you know, he got in quickly for surgery to remove a tumor that

Jann Arden  34:39  
fast a mass surgery. Yeah. So

Sarah Burke  34:43  
right now we're in the messy middle where we don't know anything else. And we're waiting to find out more about the stage and all of that. I am terrified to even say the C word out loud. And I'm Yeah, so you know my family is now faced with cancer. and fucking sucks. fucking sucks.

Jann Arden  35:03  
Yeah, you know, he

Sarah Burke  35:04  
did say to me when I asked him like, hey, like, you know, I'm sure it'll come up like, with the girls like, do you want me to just like keep this between us, which is totally fair, but like, you know you're going through stuff too and maybe you want it to. He's like if this can help someone, another family going through this right now, I'm not opposed to it. So long as you're not talking about my insides,

Jann Arden  35:22  
can I ask what he did he just feel something like obviously things were status quo as you said he wanted to buy a boat. And they find a mask, was it just a regular checkup at the doctor? He's

Sarah Burke  35:33  
had, he's had kidney stones like, and it's not been out of character for him to have kidney stones. But that last bout was really bad and led to a scan that led to this. So the end, thank God, thank God, because without the

Jann Arden  35:48  
kidneys, so no, I mean, your body will tell you when there's something going on. Yeah.

Sarah Burke  35:51  
So that was that. And he's doing well, surgery went very well. And in and out and like so the day that you guys recorded last week was when I was at the hospital with my family. And so this goes back to like, if you've been listening to the gym podcast for a while, like our friend, Kim, Dennis and all of the communicating with the other world. I wanted to, I wanted to tell you this story so badly. So I've talked about my grandfather on the podcast a lot. And like all these little signs I've had, there's this light right beside me that has turned on a couple of times and some eerie things that have happened in anyway, Kim and other clairvoyance have sort of like confirmed some of these things. So my dad's dad is who I'm talking about right now. Zedi, Sam? And so I was a bit of a mess. Okay, like, you know, I was very worried about my dad. Oh, it's so scary, sir. And there's this woman at the cottage who has some of these abilities a neighbor, okay. And I've become friends with her in the last two years, we've only had the cottage for two years, we see the dogs and walk, you know, on the walks together. And you know, she says, Hi, whatever. But a few times she's like, told me things that have been true in this sense. She She wanted me to stop by with my new car, she wanted to see my car because, you know, I just got a new car. And I was excited about it. She can't make it up the hill. She's an older lady. She can't make it up the hill from where my cottage is to see it. So I stopped by. And she had seen me and my dad on the walk with the dog earlier that day. And she said to my dad, I'm feeling Yeah, just so you know. And what I didn't hear because I was playing with the dogs was that my dad said back to her. I'm counting on you to feel me, which is kind of a dark thing. Like, it's almost like he was saying like, if I'm not here, I hope that the communication continues, which like, I mean, gives me just chills even thinking about that and makes me very emotional. But there's a point where she goes back to her home and we go to our cottage where we split on the road from the dog walks. And my dad said to me, did you tell her anything? And I said no, like, Absolutely not. Like if this is your news, this is none of my business to tell people. And he goes, Well, she knows. And I was like, Oh, he

Caitlin Green  37:53  
knew she knew. Yeah, just from like that interaction. It's just from that

Sarah Burke  37:57  
interaction. Because she said I can feel you, Lauren. He like he knows enough about what I've told him from like last summer, where she lives in this like clairvoyant sort of place. And you know, I'm just gonna say shout out BB BB is a walking MRI. So I roll up my car in the driveway. And like she knew she knew already. She was telling me that my grandfather had a message for him when I was stopped by with the car, and that she's like, it's been a noisy weekend. All your grandparents have been around me like, you know, she had all anyway, the message was, the message was you're not fucking dead yet. This was like a day after my dad like sat down and like started going over logins and passwords with my mom and like things were a little dark for a few minutes there. So anyway, I mean, there were some things she said that brought me some comfort but then this is the craziest part. So I'm driving home from the cottage to Toronto, Claude. Life aside, she didn't want me to drive right away because I was emotional. Right? So like, you know, we chit chatted for a few minutes. I've now calmed down, I'm not crying and like 15 minutes into my drive. I got emotional again, when like, a Saturday song came on. My fucking windshield wipers turned stop. It was a fucking it was a fucking sunny day. And what she had said to me before I left was your your grandfather. I know that like, you know, you always wonder if it's assigned from him. And she goes, he will be with you and showing up before Thursday. She didn't even know the date of the surgery. She said that Thursday. She said he is going to be here and you're going to know it's him.

Jann Arden  39:30  
So what what's the correlation with windshield wipers? I was

Sarah Burke  39:33  
crying. So he was like, wipe the tears. And the craziest part about that is that it happened three times on my drive and all three times that I was crying the windshield wipers turned on top it I'm not fucking lying.

Caitlin Green  39:45  
He must be a funny man.

Sarah Burke  39:47  
He was so funny.

Caitlin Green  39:48  
Oh my god. I love it.

Sarah Burke  39:49  
That's my grandfather's humor right there.

Caitlin Green  39:50  
He's like Kate.

Sarah Burke  39:53  
And she's like, Have you ever heard the words Shane and Poonam it's like a Yiddish saying that means like pretty face or something. She's Like, he's saying this I don't know what it means, but this is what he's saying. And I asked my dad and what he used to call me that when I was little Oh,

Jann Arden  40:06  
your grandfather's a busy dude,

Caitlin Green  40:09  
he's out here turn on windshield wipers, the other realm. Well, this

Jann Arden  40:13  
hour, we're gonna leave it here, we're gonna just leave it with people wondering what the fuck is wrong with me. There's a lot of whimsical things in the world no things I love you, you can believe in a whole bunch of things all at the same time. Everybody you can believe in God, you can believe in magic. You can believe in unicorns, you can believe in Crohn's. Like, don't limit yourself, don't be so skeptical in your life, that you don't get an opportunity to enjoy the magic in this world. And Caitlin's had an opportunity to experience so much of that with with the loss of Sam. And and all the things that kind of happened that made no sense but did make sense. And, you know, and that's because you have to be open to it. So if you're wondering, well, I don't feel good. Nothing ever happens to me. I don't know any of that shit. Well, you're just you're sitting there like a lump on a log. And you're waiting for the world to impress you. And stop doing that. You get out there and be open hearted and seek it out and good things are gonna start happening for you. And I'm not trying to be all Oh, I sleep in a parabolic chamber with monkey bones. Like did I make something up? No,

Caitlin Green  41:26  
I think you're close. I think you're kind of close. I think Eric chamber

Jann Arden  41:32  
there we go. Well, I happen to sleep in a pair of with monkey bones. I think we all know what I'm talking about. Anyway, you've been listening to the genart and podcasting show. Next week. We're going to talk all about summer what's happening with our summers where we're going with our summer, summer eating summer vibes. summer clothes, summer boobs Summer, summer, last summer lovin head,

Sarah Burke  41:56  
I look forward to Jan's annual PSA about short shorts. Yep,

Caitlin Green  42:00  
can't wait. Well,

Jann Arden  42:02  
I'll give it to you one more time before we go. Girls and boys short should always be longer than your balls and your labia. Just FYI, if they're not, don't wear them. We'll see you next week. Have a great time. Open yourself to magic. Thanks for being here. Caitlin green. Sarah Burke. Me Jen Arden. Totally do