Pickleball in the Quonset

Jann Arden  0:07  
Hello, welcome to the Jann Arden Podcast. I'm here with Caitlin Green and Sarah Burke. The serious nature of my tone is because the world has gone to hell. There's stuff going on. And maybe it's always been going on maybe satellites, maybe social media, maybe our connectivity to the grid on a 24/7 basis, is making me feel a little bit on edge this week. So the big story, of course, and we can't not talk about it is the attempted assassination of former President Trump and Republican newly appointed Republican leader officially out of Milwaukee. Sarah, and Caitlin, do you have thoughts on what has happened? Because I find it really frightening. I find it scary. I feel bad for the people that were killed and critically injured at that rally, and how horrifying for them. I feel bad for the families involved. And people are saying it was bound to happen. Was it bound to happen? I don't know. Yeah,

Caitlin Green  1:05  
I think that the scariest part for me was that I was shocked for all of 20 minutes. I was like, oh, with friends, and I read about it. It was started coming up on my like alerts. And I was showing them all I was like, oh my god, guys, there was a Trump assassination attempt. And the varied responses because we're living in a post truth era, where nothing is true when everything is true, was immediately conspiracies. Like, without even having they themselves read anything online. They were just like, this isn't true. This is fake news. This is an inside job. He's doing it to try to clinch the presidency. And then other people are like, No, this is like this is the Democrats trying to assassinate him because they know he's gonna win. Like everybody went to a place of Q anon so quickly. We've all been conditioned to have a particularly unhinged response that isn't based in facts, because in the rush to be the first outlet to break the story all the time, it kind of feels like facts got lost in the equation some many years ago. So yeah, I was I was like, Oh, I care for 20 minutes. And then I was like, go back to my friend, which is, I don't think good. Maybe I should explore my response more in therapy this week. Well, there's just so much to take in. Yeah. And also like a shooting in the US groundbreaking.

Jann Arden  2:25  
The thing I thought to was, could this because the young boy 20 year old, I mean, your brain isn't even fully formed. It's medium rare. And just looking at him. He just looked diminutive, his bespeckled. He was little, little person. And then he climbed to the top of a building with a rifle without, and people were pointing at him in the crowd for all a long time yelling at the police. There's a guy with a rifle. He's climbing up that building. So the whole thing is a debacle. So I do hope they unravel it. What I was going to say is that a lot of people have said and this young fellow fits the profile of like a mass murderer type of a situation, where was he aiming for the President? Or did he just want to take out a whole bunch of people in the crowd. But they're saying that, indeed, that isn't true. But the fact that Trump turned his head just slightly to the left, and that it Gray's past his ear was the difference between a really, really terrible moment where he would have lost his life being hidden struck in the head. Yeah. But yeah, it's probably going to be one of those conspiracy things. Like you said, Caitlin, where, when we still talk about JFK, you know, decades and decades later, the grassy knoll, and single gun man and then the shots from the library. And I mean, that story, just it never fails new evidence. So I think this is one of those things that we're going to be hearing about when we're 80 or 90 years old, but it has elevated him certainly into godlike stature with the Republicans. Well,

Caitlin Green  3:52  
the other thing too, that everyone was saying that I noticed was immediately when you see the photo of him kind of fist up in the air and like, you know, trying to like stand strong, immediately, is what some people then viewed as being evidence that he knew this was going to happen, because who would give that response and I thought to myself, Donald Trump would give that response Donald Trump knows a photo op when he sees it. He is the reason why I think he is so popular for so many people is that he is a showman. And we have been, again, conditioned as a society to want a show, from politics, from people from everything in life. It's like, entertain me all the time. And he does that. He scratches a deep dark edge for some people. And in that moment, he delivered and that's what he himself was conditioned to do. And then everyone started picking apart Oh, the woman behind them in the hat immediately pulled her phone out, was like, yeah, it's 2024 everyone pulls their phone out, you will see the most horrible things happening. And if someone in the backgrounds response will be to pull out their phone. I don't know that that makes them good or evil or anything, but it just makes them a person living in 2024. So people are like, well, she's in on it. She was filming and she was told to get to other angle. It was like, I don't know about that. You know, they live in America too. They've probably witnessed shootings. Statistically speaking, they've probably seen a handgun fired. Like, I just think it's a sad state, in general for the world that we live in. But like no part of the story was like, to me, it was all just like sad and kind of like regular.

Jann Arden  5:23  
Well, I was surprised that he was a registered Republican and had given a small donation to the Democratic Party several months before, but that he was a registered Republican. While he obviously hadn't voted in a federal election yet, because he wasn't old enough, he would have been, you know, barely 1617 when Biden was elected. So anyway, moving on from that it's a sad state of affairs. A connector to that is Jack Black canceling his Tenacious D tour. His partner, I guess, onstage in Australia, said something, you know, very, it's kind of a dumb thing to say, you know, in a large crowd, and opinions like that you should probably keep to yourself, and Jack Black was just completely thrown for a

Caitlin Green  6:07  
loop. It was his birthday wish that was what it was, they presented him with a birthday cake, and then said, blow out your candle and make a wish. And his wish was that they didn't miss again, in the event that he was shot and killed. Those very same people would be, I hope wouldn't be gloating. Like I hope not,

Jann Arden  6:23  
I would never gloat over something like that. I think it's I don't think so. No, I don't care who you are. I mean, things should be done with more to pour on. But they do have to dial it down. Yeah, we all do, we do have to do in Canada to this fact, Trudeau stuff and, you know, appear Polly have and just the way everyone speaking, it's them. And it's us, it's us. And it's them. And I don't know if I'm at them or and us like, I don't even know how to make the discrepancy. And, you know, obviously, I have an ethical code. And there's things that I believe in, and my moral TrueNorth and all those things are different for everybody. But we tend to group ourselves in with like minded people, as we make our way through life. I have lots of friends that certainly don't agree with me politically, it doesn't make them not my friends. I'm not going to be like that going through my life. It was I think I'd miss out on a lot of really great people. But we do have to dial it down. In North America here, man, it is just, I find it. so frightening and so sad. And that innocent people got killed a deer makes my stomach turn. Now

Caitlin Green  7:24  
when someone gets killed or is involved in a big trending story in some way. Typically, they'll have a social media footprint that you can go back on. And then everyone assesses whether or not they like them. After they've died. It was like Who asked you? Like, I thought about that? What is happening if somebody went through your social media or somebody like, it's just, it feels like it's a lot of really emotionally unhealthy behavior, like stuff that is not intrinsically good for you. And so yeah, I saw that happening. Last two people dug up some, again, pretty important things that this individual who was killed said on their social so publicly, like it was not secret. I was like then deciding if you want to like dance on his grave or not. It's just not something I relate to. It's not a compulsion I have you

Jann Arden  8:09  
wonder what the narrative would be if he were to be killed, how people would speak about him how CNN or the news outlets, the media in general, how they would paint him how they would describe his legacy, how they would describe his childhood in his life and his rise up into this unbelievable position of power globally. I think it would be a very interesting story to see that unfold and how he would be spoken about in the past tense. But anyway, I'm glad that didn't happen. Because it is certainly not going to be good for the world. And, you know, Trump may not be my guy, but I don't you know, there's so many comparisons made to Hitler and things like that. And I just do not see the man in that light.

Caitlin Green  8:50  
I don't I his own running mate, FYI.

Jann Arden  8:54  
So the fella that he chose for his vice president. I mean, I know he used to be a very outspoken, he was a Trump denier. And he didn't like him. He made no bones about it. And now he's his most ardent follower. I think

Caitlin Green  9:09  
he saw an opportunity. I think this is a very opportunistic individual. He's a senator out of Ohio, who previously wrote a book, which I read called the Hillbilly Elegy is a fascinating book. in it. I didn't see the direction that perhaps he was headed in politically, but he likes to feel important. I'll say that. And so with Trump, he saw an opportunity to be closer and closer to that, you know, Ooh, nice, cozy, warm spotlight that I think really he enjoys. And so, despite the fact that he had publicly said he wasn't a fan of him and then privately which then became public compared him to Hitler and a whole bunch of other characters. I don't mean you can't you just it's it's it again, returns to like, you can't trust anyone in politics. It feels like lately because they're gonna say one thing Do another and and then kind of flip flop so yeah, I see him as a as an opportunistic flip flopper if I had to summarize it.

Jann Arden  10:08  
Well speaking of flip flopping Paris Olympics, we are moving on from that I'm sure people have had enough of the political atmosphere in the United States of America. The politics going around the hovering around the Paris Olympics are interesting because when we were talking last week about tourists in Spain getting shot with water guns, and now in Paris, there there there's something to do with poop once again, and maybe one of you guys can speak to that of obviously, there's going to be some Olympic events that take place on the Seine whether it's rowing and God forbid swimming but apparently there's a lot of sewage in the Seine and they're planning on putting more in there like maybe I'm missing something very important to the story.

Sarah Burke  10:53  
It was almost like a like a protest because the mayor was trying to like for tourism of Paris be like it's fine all get in the water, but it's not. Right. So no, it's not in like for this is like, almost like a century long thing. How dirty it like I would say it's like Lake Ontario, where I look out right now. Like it's just water. You wouldn't want to swim in Lake Ontario. You wouldn't want to swim in not not here, downtown Toronto. Unless you're closer to the county. We

Caitlin Green  11:20  
just have had two straight days of rain. And I'll tell you what happens to our rainwater when we have too much rain is that it gets mixed in with raw sewage because we have no proper wastewater, oh, overflow system. If it rains in Toronto, you don't go swimming for like weeks. Like that's just a point of fact.

Jann Arden  11:36  
Oh my god. Okay, well, this is a first for me. Yeah, I'm gonna cancel my swimming lessons. You should did the mayor hop into the same. This is what I wanted.

Sarah Burke  11:43  
So that's what people are waiting to see if she will hold her word, Mayor Anne Hidalgo. They're trying to discourage her from getting in this water.

Jann Arden  11:53  
I love Paris. I'm going to tell you right now, I assume there are many times over the years and I've absolutely loved it. The culture, the the food, the outdoor cafes, there's a moment in my life and I was sitting with an ex. I remember us sitting in this cafe it started to pour rain. And when it rains in Paris, there's something otherworldly about it. Umbrellas flip up in the beat of heart. Everyone has little umbrellas in their bags, like they're constantly prepared. Their baguette needs to be constantly covered and protected, and crusty, not soggy. No, it must be crusty by the time they get home with their tomatoes, and their piece of hard stinky cheese and their bottle of wine. But anyway, these umbrellas go up, and I just everything slowed down, and the streets got shiny. We rushed into this cafe and I remember, my girlfriend at the time ordered me like a cognac or something equally as nutty. But we're in Paris, it's four o'clock in the afternoon. It's pouring rain. We were sitting there with a bunch of other people that suddenly ordered drinks. But I'll never forget this really, really ancient woman leaning out the window about four storeys up right across from this little courtyard that we were sitting around. And she was leaning out and she started to sing. She was singing something in French and her arms were waving. And she's saying, I'm gonna say for 30 or 40 seconds. It wasn't an aria that went on forever. But maybe it was a little song about rain, I don't know. But the people that were sitting beside us having their drinks, started clapping and throwing her kisses. And I remember thinking to myself, at the time, it was probably 1999 I'm never gonna forget this moment. And I love having moments like that in my life where I take the time to really bank it. Like it's almost like you hit save. If I don't save this now, I'm not going to have it later, you know, when you're writing something. And I just will never forget it. And I have thought about that random 85 year old woman singing this song and French with the rain. And then her little shutters closed up like it was a puppet show. Or she was in one of those old mechanical clocks where it strikes 12 And you the little thing pops out and start singing and goes back in again. But I don't know why I was struck to talk about that memory. But

Caitlin Green  14:06  
what's the nice memory of Paris?

Jann Arden  14:07  
Yeah,

Caitlin Green  14:08  
I love Paris. I've only been twice. And I feel like you could go back to Paris once a year for the rest of your life. And you still not really capture all of it. But there's never enough time. It's like London's like those big great cities, you know, but it's so wonderful that city and I think just the commitment to looking good not just from people but like the buildings and the streets and everything. And not necessarily to see these massive brand new crystal sky high towers, but just you know, older buildings that have been well maintained. And like a respect for some continuity in terms of the architecture. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. No greater compliment than when someone asks you for directions and Paris because they assume you're a local. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah,

Sarah Burke  14:54  
there's a Canadian gal who during COVID tried out to be part of the Moulin Rouge because they had tour which went by the move on yesterday. Yep. And she did a big cancan number outside of the Moulin Rouge and there was some renovation to the mill. The windmill, the windmill. Yeah. So they did like a big, organized dance that she was part of. It's really cool following a Canadian who just like moved over there and suddenly so part of culture I went

Caitlin Green  15:17  
and saw that show you saw Moulin Rouge when you were there. Was it good?

Jann Arden  15:20  
Well, the can can you know, the girls and yeah, the dresses. And I mean, back in the day, apparently they didn't have underpants on but now yeah, they had just fill out their privates were just in full display. But when I saw they had, you know, little panties on and but it's long, and I think you need to be drunk. That's just my opinion on it. I can only see so much. Are they kicking?

Unknown Speaker  15:40  
Yeah, that's low. Did

Jann Arden  15:42  
he bah boo. Oh, well, no, I can only do so much of that. And then I was just like, oh my god, I think I'd rather be a Chucky Cheese. Honestly,

Caitlin Green  15:49  
I guess if you think back on it, if back in the day, every time you kicked up, you got a little under their surprise. Perhaps that's why people hung in for so long. Oh,

Jann Arden  16:00  
no. It was definitely about nudity and the absurdity of seeing 25 Women lined up and seeing their vaginas every time they kicked or spawned, or put their dairy airs in the air. So, you know, crazy.

Sarah Burke  16:13  
I must have been living under a rock because I never even thought that.

Jann Arden  16:16  
Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure. And you know what, don't write me letters. But I'm almost positive. That was one of the big perks of those shows. But

Caitlin Green  16:25  
I mean, I would think so. I think I

Sarah Burke  16:27  
went in 2012. Around there. Were they still flashing there? No, no, I'm

Jann Arden  16:32  
thinking this is an antiquity I'm thinking, you know, certainly 19th century stuff.

Caitlin Green  16:37  
Oh, I feel better. That's so funny to imagine that we've become more uptight, as a society about that since then.

Jann Arden  16:44  
Well, I think we've become much more sinister about sexuality, and much more clandestine about the shitty things that we do. Perhaps those things were more in the open, they were still considered naughty. But you know, the crap that goes on anyway, I was also constantly lost in Paris. And so you got to be prepared to kind of be lost. I don't know about you. But I'm not great at putting up any kind of map app, whether it's Waze or whether it's Google Maps, I'm just constantly struggling to figure out where that blue.is going, and how to kind of make that work in my favor. But we

Caitlin Green  17:19  
got lost on the way to Versailles, we took the train in the wrong direction. And then I'm pretty sure at one point, my husband and I were about to get robbed. So we just like hopped off the train and then asked the person in broken French which way to go, and they were like, Hey, you got another like 45 minutes to go the opposite direction, you idiots. And then by the time we got to Versailles, we had about an hour and a half before it was set to close. And so we ran we physically ran through the halls of Versailles, we saw the like main things and then you can rent a golf cart that will take you through the gardens. And then you get to go back to like Marie Antoinette's little cottage. And everyone had told us that like that's the real thing to see is the gardens and the outdoor space. But so we ripped around Versailles in a golf cart as fast as it would take us. And it was probably 40

Jann Arden  18:03  
Euro. It was the golf cart.

Caitlin Green  18:06  
Probably.

Jann Arden  18:07  
Did you go to Marie Antoinette's little cottage?

Caitlin Green  18:09  
We did. Yeah. It was fabulous. It was very cool. It was so cool. And I was like I get it the rest of her size. Like too big.

Sarah Burke  18:15  
Those trees, the shape of those trees. I was like, I don't understand how they are the shape.

Caitlin Green  18:20  
I know. That's what I mean about the French commitment to looking good.

Sarah Burke  18:23  
The landscaping.

Unknown Speaker  18:24  
Yeah, yeah.

Jann Arden  18:25  
I love the stories about people just peeing and pooing like in Versailles itself. Like they just as much as it was this beautiful thing. Apparently it really stunk. And it was inundated with rats and oh, yeah, it said many different versions of itself over the years. But if you ever get a chance to go to Versailles, I think it's one of the Wonders of the World myself. It is built on the backs of impoverished people. It was literally robbed from the French hard working people. Paris was so stinky. And it was so kind of polluted that the king that he moved his entire cord of 1000s of people and took all this money and built it outside of Paris where he could go and not deal with the stench of Paris and how big it was. But they just recreated another one and the disease's probably well, the plague and everything was going on. It was a really it's a really interesting history. But the opulence is kind of heartbreaking. But when you think about all the beautiful monuments that we have in the world, whether it's the pyramids, whether it's you know, the Aztec culture in Peru, all those pyramids, you know, anything in India, the Taj Mahal God, they were all built by really really rich people that basically stole money from everybody else. And we wouldn't have these things. So when it whenever you think in terms of the Elon Musk's of the world, or the Bezos, they're the only people that can afford to leave those things behind will match

Caitlin Green  19:52  
up to I will say is like truly to this day, the most spectacular like thing I've ever seen and probably one of the best days of my whole life. And when you consider when they built it, and where and how they got those materials, they're like, I don't know, the ancient people of Peru are mind blowing to me, because when you're there and you see, they would have these pools of water set up for the sort of homemade sundials like they were already doing things to look into space and time and, and the proof that they found of trying to treat people like there was a gold plate found in like a warrior's skeleton what they were using gold because they had the were in surgeries, yeah, in surgeries, because they have the wherewithal to know that this would be anti microbial. And you know, better a bit harder to come by. I mean, obviously, you'd think that would be like a person of some nobility because they would have had access to this big gold plate in their head, but every detail and I'm forgetting most of them that our guide told us I just was like my jaw was on the floor. And then to say nothing of like what you're physically looking at. I mean, it's amazing to me, I wish I could go back. Is there a train that goes up there? There is yeah, we took a really a really fun train. Okay, so you don't

Jann Arden  21:04  
have to do that perilous journey anymore. Do you like if you're 80 years old, you don't have to walk up to Machu Picchu

Caitlin Green  21:09  
recommend against it. We took a beautiful train, you fly into the city of Cusco. And you take a train ride to, to like the the nearest stop to Machu Picchu. And then you can you can hike up there and many people do. But we simply took like a bus that takes you up like a switchback road where you feel like you're gonna topple right off the side of it. And then you get up to the very top. And it was just No, and we got up there. And it was really cloudy because it was first thing in the morning. And our guide said, Don't worry, the clouds will burn off because we couldn't really see anything. And we did quite a bit of hiking when we got to the grounds of Machu Picchu because it's big, and there are more hilly portions than others. And that when the clouds burned off, you realize where you were, and that you were amidst like the clouds, you were in what's called a cloud forest like that was our hotel was was located in what they describe as a cloud forest. And it is unbelievable to think that people live there and built irrigation systems for farming, always

Jann Arden  22:15  
about protecting yourself from other people killing you in the middle of the night. Like isn't that why people made villages on these high atop mountains and where it was really hard to get to like I and their

Caitlin Green  22:24  
warrior messengers would travel from Machu Picchu to other villages and they just they straight ran it like they just ran makes you feel real fit. Oh my God, because we got to these places, and there'd be this narrow little literal runway. And I would walk out only so far and then go like I have vertigo. I can't keep doing this. And I just thought to myself, and they're like, no, they ran this whole length, you know, with like, but they only live

Jann Arden  22:49  
to be 30k. I

Caitlin Green  22:50  
should look up their average age. But yes,

Sarah Burke  22:52  
even in Greece in Greece last summer in like the Olympic Stadium area in Greece. Like how they got marble. The whole thing is made of marble up that high. I'm just like looking at it like what? Oh, yeah,

Jann Arden  23:04  
that's why I'm so interested in that architecture from you know, how archaeologists explain how things were put together. Like with the most recent thing about the pyramids, and trust me, ladies and gentlemen, we are not professionals. I'm just literally repeating these op ed pieces that I read on the internet. So don't write me right to the network in which our podcast is living on, which is the women in media podcast. Write them what anyways, they're saying that back in the day, the pyramids, like the Great Pyramid of Giza, and the ones that kind of are surrounding it, had water had rivers around them, and that they literally had these big blocks on barges and they floated them up. And they had ramps that were sometimes two or three miles long, leading up so that the grade was very low. And that they would just roll them on logs they'd have you know 5060 70,000 People rolling these rocks but the rocks they always wondered where the hell this rock came from where they floated it down a river. So I was quite intrigued by that

big moment in Wimbledon, can you tell me what it was?

Sarah Burke  24:16  
We're both drawing a blank. So over to you Dan.

Jann Arden  24:19  
You guys. I brought it brought a tear to my eye did it Somebody made an appearance? Kate Middleton.

Caitlin Green  24:26  
Oh, Kate gates back. How do you seem so

Jann Arden  24:30  
serene? And you know, she she just looked lovely. She had a red dress on and she looks really well. I mean, we all know she's been going through cancer treatments for God only knows what kind of cancer but she came down the steps with her daughter. Oh, the entire place burst into this applause and like, giddy like squeaks and titters and laughter and an excited chitter chatter. It was really amazing to see people that are in the public eye and the power with which they hold. And the reason that I was so kind of taken aback by the reaction to her is that it felt so joyful. So earnest, so authentic, no matter what your politics, all those people sitting there 1000s of people watching center court in Wimbledon, they stopped everything they were doing and they stood up. And they applauded for someone with such respect, which is not the same thing as you would see, like at a Trump rally or whatever. I'm just saying. It's so earnest, and it was everybody, not just some people, everybody. Yeah,

Caitlin Green  25:34  
I feel like everyone's I mean, everyone's kind of rooting for her. Because you're just thinking, What a tough situation to be in, that you're going through something so publicly challenging. And you've got kids now who are in the public eye, and again, like she knew all this going into being part of the royal family, but still to see her out with one of her kids watching a tennis match at Wimbledon. Like that's your like, Oh, this feels nice. Yeah,

Jann Arden  25:58  
it was just a really nice, joyful moment. And I loved it. I love just seeing that kind of energy and feeling and I could feel it to the TV because no one had announced Kate Middleton, the Princess of Wales will be making an appearance later. It wasn't anything like that. She just showed up out of the out of the hat. She was like she jumped out of a birthday cake. She looks so cute.

Sarah Burke  26:17  
Are you guys tennis people?

Jann Arden  26:19  
I love watching tennis. I'm the worst tennis player. But I love watching and I think it's so athletic when they run and hit a ball between their legs back to the other court. And when a point, no, they just run like I would rip my groin. I couldn't. Anytime I've tried to play tennis in the last 10 years, I hit the ball. It goes over the 30 foot high, you know, mesh fence. And once we run out of our three balls, you know, we're just running so it's a good workout for me. But to me a volley is one hit. That's not good. A one hit volley. I

Caitlin Green  26:53  
picked up a racket pretty well, for the first time in my adult life over the Christmas holidays. And there was a big tennis tournament. We were with a group of friends on vacation. And there was a massive tennis tournament and we're talking these are athletic people like some one is a former tennis pro, very wealthy, very, very competitive, athletic people. And here's me, none of those things. And I just showed up and was like, Hey, I hope you guys paired me with some talented tennis players to like even things out and they were like, don't worry, we did because it was all teams. So I got paired with one of my friends who's the tennis pro, former tennis pro, and he's very, very kind. But you could tell that he was like, Caitlin, I need you to start paying attention to this way this game works. And I wasn't as terrible as I thought I would be. And I quite liked it. Because I liked the vibe of tennis. He wanted to win like he wanted to win for sure. And also he wanted to win in the context of like this tournament with a bunch of other competitive people like I was there with like a semi professional polo player. Like he used to play polo. He's now retired. Is that the horseback? The horse thing where you hit the ball with a clunker? Yeah, the clunker? Exactly. I don't know what it's called. But he was just like, naturally athletic. Like I was just with a bunch of people who are naturally athletic. And so it was really fun, though, because when you got it right, like when you hit the ball, and you wanted it to go somewhere, so the other person might miss it. And it did kind of that. I was like, Oh, this is exciting. Like I loved it. And also to say nothing of like, the cool clothes and everything. And I like the kind of the one on one or the two on to have it all. Sometimes when I see a team sport, there's just like so many people on the field or on the ice where I'm like, What's going on here? What's the strategy, but when it's just like one and two. I'm like, Oh, this is good. I kind of like that.

Jann Arden  28:30  
Are you the pickleball player? Or is that Sarah?

Caitlin Green  28:32  
I don't play pickleball I

Sarah Burke  28:34  
haven't but like, I kinda want to try. I haven't yet.

Jann Arden  28:38  
I want to try. Well, my neighbors set up pickleball in their Quonset so a quantity is a giant giant metal structure. There's a lot of them in Alberta. They're mostly filled with dead motorhomes farm equipment and some old badminton rackets but she had set up a pickleball she even taped it with masking tape. And she said do you want to come and play pickleball this is in the middle of winter and I drove down there half mile down my road and we play pickleball and she taught me and she was so competitive. Teresa, Teresa Clawson. You are super competitive. It was so goddamn fun. I thought I have a neighbor who's got a pickleball court in their Quonset Okay,

Caitlin Green  29:10  
I just picked up a Quonset for the first time. A lightweight prefabricated structure of corrugated galvanized steel with a semi circular cross section. It looks like a bunker. This

Jann Arden  29:20  
is huge. You could land an aircraft and the guy that used to own it kept his helicopters in it. So if that gives you any indication, it looks like something out of Oppenheimer. You can make them as big as you want. quantities are basically the things that would store like an indoor winter Soccer League. Yeah, they would build a Quonset and you've seen those white puffy buildings? Yeah, like they're filled with air or something. It's like a dome. It's like a marshmallow man, lightweight structures and they're movable. They say that the ABA building where that ABA show is okay. Yeah. And listen when I got off the train and on putting Lane in London to go to the ABA show. I'm like the sign putting ln they said it's been stolen so many fucking times, they cannot keep up with keeping the putting ln sign at the train station. I would love it anyway, when I got in there, I was reading a little of the history of the building. And it is something that can be disassembled. I'm thinking Abba spent how much money putting this up cuz it was Bjorn and Benny that underwrote the entire thing, that ABA show, you got to see the ABA show, it's still going. And apparently that building comes apart, which is a type of Quonset idea. I like them. I think it's a great idea if you don't want to have like a permanent structure.

Caitlin Green  30:33  
So okay, when you went in there to play pickleball in this concert, which is not a sentence, there was tractors, there was boats, there was trucks, is it warm? Is it well ventilated, the vibe warms up,

Jann Arden  30:43  
and there's a loft. So I think one of her sons and his wife live up above, there's another floor built in with a kitchen and bathroom.

Caitlin Green  30:52  
They were thrilled about the pickleball it's one of the noisiest things you can do. Hopefully,

Jann Arden  30:57  
they weren't home. But anyway, I don't know what made me think of that. But as a caveat to this whole story. I want you guys to know that I was extremely athletic growing up.

Caitlin Green  31:06  
Okay. And you heard it here first, folks.

Jann Arden  31:08  
I grew out of it. I just want you to know that I played baseball. I played badminton. I was in like provincial championships for singles, badminton. I was on the basketball team. We went to provincial finals in our division. I was hockey player. I can't say that I was very good. I don't think I ever scored. But I could skate backwards. Oh, and I was a hell of a softball player. Help. ball player. Okay,

Caitlin Green  31:36  
I liked softball. That was really it for me. softball, baseball. I was a big baseball girl.

Sarah Burke  31:40  
So when I need a girl, I can call you because we always need a girl Caitlin I play but when you're here, of course, open invite when you're here.

Caitlin Green  31:48  
I don't think I'm good anymore. issue would be I don't know. Maybe I don't know if it's the kind of thing that you like, retain.

Jann Arden  31:54  
I was good back catcher. I was good back and my hips are paying the price now. Okay. I

Caitlin Green  31:58  
will say I was a designated hitter on my team. So I feel like D age

Jann Arden  32:02  
okay. Yeah. Well, you're a designated hitter on our team too. Thank you.

I want to talk about people who have passed away because I don't want this podcast to go by and we haven't spoken about them. So this week, there was a lot going on the Trump shooting kind of trumped everything. You'll see what I did there. You never want to pass away in and around an assassination attempt of any kind because your death gets lost in the shuffle. So I'll hand it over to you, Caitlin. We lost three pretty significant people in pop culture, let's say Shelley

Caitlin Green  32:40  
Duvall, who you probably know from The Shining, I would say most likely and then Richard Simmons and also Shannon Doherty, who had been battling breast cancer for a very long time. One more Ruth Westheimer. Oh, right. Dr. Ruth. Yeah. So this like exactly these were, especially if you're kind of maybe a elder millennial or older, you would have really known a lot of these figures if you watch 902 And oh, and the Heather's obviously Shannon Doherty kind of like a formative pop culture icon. And then Charmed, and Richard Simmons who had been a recluse from the public eye for years leading up to his passing, but someone who was either him tweeting directly or someone tweeting on his behalf from his account was tweeting like mere hours before the news of his passing broke. So that was a little bit confusing to people. They're

Jann Arden  33:26  
investigating it now because they think there's something a little bit nefarious there like they're not sure if it was he on a lived himself.

Caitlin Green  33:34  
Wellness housekeeper was this weird figure that people weren't a huge fan of? I don't think for a while they're so yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there's an investigation happening into Richard Simmons passing for that wouldn't surprise me at all. And the shining was just about my favorite one of my favorite movies of all time. It gets its top five for me. For sure.

Jann Arden  33:49  
It's on every list must see list. Probably. The planet is the show. Good. Read.

Caitlin Green  33:54  
Oh my gosh.

Jann Arden  33:58  
Spoiler alert, murder backwards. Somebody should have a Red Rum in a bottle with like, wax drippings that look like. And the elevator scene. I didn't want to get into an elevator for a long, long time. Those two little girls in the hallway in the blood filling up the elevator. If you haven't seen it, you got to see it. So yeah, there was a lot of deaths, but it does get overshadowed Ruth Westheimer, I learned about dildos from her. I learned about tampons, and I think I've talked about this before my cousin Karen had to help me show me how to do a tampon when I first started because my mom didn't tell me one day she showed me a drawer she said, here's the pads, you're gonna need this. I was so mortified by looking in the store. She just said this. You're going to have this happen to you. She didn't say period. She didn't even say menstrual cycle happen to when this happens to

Caitlin Green  34:45  
you. It's not wrong.

Jann Arden  34:46  
I think I wasn't alone with you know, a mum that couldn't have those conversations. But yeah, so Ruth Westheimer I used to like secretly be watching that not for the sexual content because I didn't really know much about asked me my brother blurted out. A guy sticks his penis in the girl's vagina. Like when I was 13. And I, I was so sad about that. I I was so sad about it. I thought no, no, that can't be right. So Ruth Westheimer thank you for helping this little girl in Springbank Alberta that was clueless I didn't really have anyone to talk to. My friends were so misinformed My God, the information they had was so I remember my friend, this guy, you know, had, obviously an erection beside her and it some of it got on her leg. And we ended up getting pregnancy tests to make sure that no sperm had gotten like through her genes crawled up inside of her leg and touched her vagina and and made her pregnant at 18 years old,

Caitlin Green  35:51  
like the sperm are going to battle just didn't help

Jann Arden  35:53  
Caitlin. We didn't get any information. We didn't have any information. See

Caitlin Green  35:59  
the Canadian Doctor Ruth is Dr. Sue Johansson. Yes. So that's why I had

Jann Arden  36:04  
Well I learned how to deal with condoms from Sue Johansson. Because I'm like, How do I deal with that little tricky Dicky? No pun intended. Bing Bong,

Unknown Speaker  36:14  
Bing Bong.

Sarah Burke  36:17  
Oh my god, I just did a Google search for the book that I remember my mother giving me and seeing the cover of the period book, if you want to look it up, is actually giving me like terrible flashbacks.

Caitlin Green  36:28  
You've unlocked a trauma.

Sarah Burke  36:30  
I've unlocked a trauma, the period book. I remember there was a page where it like told you to get to know yourself and like put a mirror down there. And I was like, No.

Caitlin Green  36:39  
I will not get down their whole hand mirror. Just see what's going on. Well,

Jann Arden  36:42  
my mom gave me a book called enjoying your youth and it was from the Mormon church. Oh, and it had to do with masturbation.

Caitlin Green  36:49  
I was gonna say spoiler alert. don't enjoy it. According to them probably. Well, it's like go for

Jann Arden  36:53  
a brisk walk. Have a cool shower. I don't know. I was so embarrassed that this little red book Joy was on my

Caitlin Green  37:00  
goal of a cold shower.

Jann Arden  37:03  
I would die to come across that Sarah, Google the book, enjoying your youth book, see if it's something to do with Mormon literature. And it would have been it would have been the 70s. It would have been the early mid 70s. I'm

Sarah Burke  37:16  
so scared. Your youth Mormon, there's one that came up from the Church of Jesus christ.org says young people learn wisdom in the youth.

Caitlin Green  37:27  
Yep. If it has the word thigh in it, I think we can all agree we're going to opt out.

Sarah Burke  37:33  
Guys, I'm so curious. There's a link that came up that says is it fun being a Mormon? Should I click on it? Please

Caitlin Green  37:39  
do the answer will be a resounding

Jann Arden  37:41  
I'm practically Mormon now. I mean, I don't drink. I don't smoke. I'm not engaging in any extra marital shenanigans.

Caitlin Green  37:50  
Like I might have to swear though. Can they swear?

Jann Arden  37:52  
Oh gosh. Yeah, I think they could swear up a storm. Do everything they have. Mormons have as high a divorce rate is anybody else for the national average?

Caitlin Green  38:00  
Of course, because they're human just like everybody else. Everyone could get on their little imaginary pedestal and say they're closer to God. But anyway,

Jann Arden  38:06  
Sue to Hanson. But Ruth Westheimer was 96 years old Shannon Doherty was 54 years old Richard Simmons I believe was 76 too young. And yeah, and who else would we say she was involved? And Shelley Duvall was 7574 75 way too young. There's a really interesting thing if you look up on Shelley Duvall, there was a journalist that has always been fascinated with Shelley and collected her any kind of stuff that Shelley had new every appearance that Shelley had made on The Love Boat or, you know any kind of television in the 70s in the 80s. This young journalist knew more about Shelley than Shelley knew about Shelley. Anyway, she contacted Mr. Hall, and they struck up a relationship over the last few years and it is the most charming, sweetest thing. This journalist cannot believe that she sits across from Shelley or had cups of tea and talked about things and and Shelley was one of those people that was very admired. She didn't chase that fountain of youth and the Botox and the lip this and which is all good. Whatever you need to do to feel good. You go ahead and do that. But Shelley left Hollywood she wasn't buying into it. And let's say she looked very rustic to say the least. Shelly didn't do a damn thing. If she calmed her hair. That was probably a monumental day. But Charlie was so touched she thought she'd been forgotten, you know?

Sarah Burke  39:24  
Yeah, with all these stories. There's like a time capsule piece like, you know, the mark, they leave. It's been really interesting paying attention to Shannon Doherty's podcast. She's had this podcast that she started in 2023. So it's very new in the grand scheme of things. But it was called let's be clear, and it's her kind of diving into like old friendships and show business she's had on you know, every co star that she's had. She's talked about some of like, the harder stuff like why she left certain shows or what didn't work out and to just have the last year of your life completely out there on a podcast as your battling breast cancer has really, that really struck me because I've been listening to that podcast, she's gone, what that

Jann Arden  40:05  
clip you sent me was haunting and encouraging. I'm not afraid to die, I don't want to die. But I'm not afraid to die because I'm a good person. I feel like I'm a good person. And I know the people that I'm going to see. But yeah, I think there was a lot more to Shannon Doherty than people gave her credit for but once again, when you're involved in these culturally explosive television experiences that encapsulated an entire generation, like 90210 was, it was much bigger than the show itself, like of the sum of its parts it was it went so reaching those guys had they filled 5060 70,000 People in shopping malls, when they made appearances to like it was nuts. There was a picture of her and Luke that you know, had them kind of embracing and I thought, oh my god, Luke Perry, passed away from a stroke several years ago. Implications of a stroke. Anyway, too young way too young. just heartbreaking. I didn't realize that Shannon was such a child star. Of course you find out all these things when they pass over. Here's something to note when every single person that's in the public eye has a cataloged sort of a death reel for them so when you pass away you're wondering how did they get that together so quickly? And and they're all pre oh my god or someone at my gate but they have a real already ready yeah to spin in case you die like I have a real my friend who used to work at CBC she goes oh my god, there's a real for you. Like it's it's basically put together but it's so that we're ready to go if you kick your clogs, it's not like we have to like scramble get some Jan's stuff together because they're gonna need to run something instantly. All these news

Caitlin Green  41:45  
outlets want to have it like at the ready. This is real time. Can

Jann Arden  41:48  
you hear the dogs barking? Okay. Listen, I want to just thank everybody out there. Drumroll please. We have 64 and perhaps by the time this airs, we might have like 74 Patreon memberships Patreon I say tomato You say tomato. Do

Sarah Burke  42:04  
you want to know here? i Let's see. What do we got? What do we got? 68.

Jann Arden  42:08  
Oh, since we spoke this morning, we have three more people. Look at you guys don't go away

Caitlin Green  42:14  
to have Coway Jan needs to deal with the barking dogs on her gate. Jan's gate. Ding dong sounds just like the put your seatbelt on alert on flight. Did you hear it in the background? That's what it sounded like to me. I was like, oh, I should put my seatbelt

Sarah Burke  42:28  
on. Every time this happens. I just wish it's Donna so that we can have Donna on the pot. I know we have never Donna, we have to get Donna on. We've been talking about this for far too. That'd be a great Patreon. Oh, so

Caitlin Green  42:41  
that's our first Patreon guest. Also, I hope you leave this conversation right now between you and I in some form in the podcast.

Sarah Burke  42:49  
It's staying in it staying in although we'll probably mute the barking dogs just so you can hear what we're what we're talking about. Just

Caitlin Green  42:56  
so it's not auditory overload. But yeah, I do. I thought the same thing. We're all here like, oh, no, there's someone at my gate. And I'm like, please be Donna.

Sarah Burke  43:05  
She's back. We were hoping it was Donna. Is it Donna? It's not Donna.

Jann Arden  43:11  
I think you knew that Donna has dementia, right? No, no, no,

Unknown Speaker  43:17  
this You never told us that? Yeah.

Caitlin Green  43:20  
Oh, dear, damn. If I can recommend a podcast that that isn't ours, which I shouldn't be doing. But hey, it's is a fairly recent, fairly recent episode of armchair expert. And they do a release every week called experts on expert, which is when they talk to somebody who is typically not a celebrity. It's somebody who is an expert in their own field. If it's somebody who works in psychiatry or a doctor, and they will have Dr. Sanjay Gupta on who you might know from, you know, CNN, he's kind of like a media doctor. But he's he's quite a talented and intelligent person. And they had him on to talk about a documentary that he's working on. And they were talking to him about dementia. And he was talking about protocols for lifestyle protocols for dementia and Alzheimer's. And I don't want to butcher this. But roughly, there was a case of one woman who was given a protocol to follow while she had Alzheimer's. And she was early stages diagnosis, but already like seeing the effects. And they told her to immediately go on a vegan diet to work out for 30 to 90 minutes, workout for 30 to 90 minutes a day and began meditation and it was like a prescriptive form of meditation like not just like sit there and imagine a flower like it's like do this specific type for this long. And they check back in with her and five years after she was given this protocol. And her the progress of her Alzheimer's has stopped dead in its tracks. Five years on that nothing had like absolutely nothing had advanced. Oh, and that was not the prognosis. When she was first you know, seen and talked to on film. The only thing I don't do as meta tape? Yeah, I was gonna say you're already doing two of those things. And what had happened was Dr. Sanjay Gupta did the he said back in the day, you would get the test for Alzheimer's and dementia, the genetic testing that they have now available, and I forget the name of it at Abaco or something like that. And so he would get you get the test, but then there would be nothing for you to do. They give you no protocol, there's no medication. And so he said frequently, I would just tell people don't bother with it, because it's just going to, it's just going to destroy your quality of life. And there's nothing we can do. But now, he said they're working on obviously, there's huge advancements in drugs. And because of the aging Boomer generation, we know that we're going to be dealing with a higher rate of Alzheimer's and dementia in the next, you know, 10 to 15 years. So, he said there were so many simple things now, because he has the gene. So he said, he became personally very interested in this. And he had I think it was his grandfather or close family relative who he lost to it. And Jan, of course, you know all about this from your experience with your mom. And so he said, Now, there are all these protocols that they can give you that they genuinely believe their scientific proof to support that it will improve how your dementia and Alzheimer's is it progresses. One of the things he mentioned was toes spreaders, parto, spreaders and specific he was prescribed need to hire one of those, you need to hire a tow spreader. It's a cool new job, everybody you know, and you will get

Jann Arden  46:20  
a pedicure, and they put those little foam that's ready. Yes, I would imagine that'd be a toe spreader. So what about those socks, I wonder if they would. So

Caitlin Green  46:28  
they suggest that you wear toe spreaders for at least 10 minutes a day, they say the nerves that run from your brain go all the way down to your feet. And that there's all this connection between essentially foot health and your overall not just your gait and your ability to not fall just like stay upright. But now they're linking it to brain health. And because your nerves are on all the way from your brain to your feet, you want to stimulate these nerves in your feet that kind of lose that over time spreading my toes right now. So you buy toe spreaders, you can get them on Amazon, they're cheap as anything. And they say, you know where the for at least 10 minutes a day. Some people now we're sleeping with the men. And, and he says like this, these actually have an impact, and of course, the omegas and all that stuff. But I just was like coconut

Jann Arden  47:11  
oil, I used to feed my mom vats of coconut oil. And he says so it was,

Caitlin Green  47:15  
it was interesting, I thought you know, so many doctors I've been hearing talk about the effect that inflammation has on your body. And so much of that is related to what you eat, and how many people are now recommending a vegan diet. And I'm really trying, as a result of many factors to reduce the amount of animal products that I consume. But up right up there for reasons is health. And like I'm like, Yeah, my grandmother had had dementia like very, like severe dementia with Alzheimer's, but I

Jann Arden  47:43  
don't I don't want to get it, I just, it's not something that I want to get,

Caitlin Green  47:46  
you're already doing two of the three protocols and get your toe spread around. And then when I need to meditate, what

Jann Arden  47:50  
I do do, what I do do is listen to low frequency, sounds and music. So you if you want to go on YouTube, if you want to go on, probably the calm app would have low frequency sounds. And there's been many, many scientific studies done on. Like, for instance, they play a low frequency sound to a table, they'll set a speaker on there for a table with sand on it, and the patterns that it breaks into these beautiful symmetrical patterns from these different sounds. But this guy was working with these low frequency sounds for years and it cured his back. He said he couldn't figure out like his doctor was saying you don't have any fusion nerve. The shits not there anymore. Like what was on this X ray is no longer there. And he explained to this doctor about these low frequency sounds. But anyway, here we are fast forward like 30 years later, he uses them every day. And he's saying that sound. And I'm just saying this because of your mention of meditation, that sound is going to be a huge tool in the healing arts. It's going to be part of how people fix themselves. And maybe that is one of the keys to why we're so attracted to music and why music alters our moods so much how music can soothe us how music you know, you pick up music for a funeral like what what do you want to hear? How can we sued or How can music be a balm for the soul when hundreds of people are sitting there grieving the loss of a of a baby of a parent of a soul? I'm a firm believer in in sound and meditation. So thank you for that reminder because it's something I'm going to start doing more of and I think there is things we can do they talk about walking constantly. If you're not at work or outer. A lot of people like a can't fucking afford a gym be no interest in it. Don't want to do that. Well then get out there and walk because guess that's free. Yeah.

Caitlin Green  49:44  
And that's the thing. I think sometimes there it can feel intimidating or like you're not doing it right. And he says just get out there 30 to 90 minutes. It doesn't have to be like high intensity interval training. I mean, you just want to get moving, feel your feet on the ground. Do you know if you can find a local Affordable Pilates or yoga class? Like get in there and do those things and doesn't have to be strenuous? YouTube,

Jann Arden  50:08  
open your computer, there's all kinds of yoga. You don't need to have an instructor for a perfect example. There's millions and listen, we're gonna leave it there because we're gonna have bonus material. Yeah, Patreon so we're gonna we're gonna say goodbye to everybody.

Sarah Burke  50:21  
Tomato tomahto Patreon. That's

Caitlin Green  50:22  
Patreon. Okay, what

Jann Arden  50:24  
what's the difference between missing Patreon? Can you can you tell me Is it voice not voicemail? What is what? Why What bugs you guys? I

Caitlin Green  50:32  
think that's how you pronounce the company that started. Patreon. You Yeah, okay, um, like you'd say, like, it's, I think it's a take on patron. Like, you're, I'm

Jann Arden  50:42  
gonna say I'm gonna say Patreon from now on. But I'm gonna go back to voicemail.

Sarah Burke  50:46  
That's fine. What we'll bargain with you for that.

Unknown Speaker  50:48  
So you can't have both.

Jann Arden  50:49  
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Sarah Burke  51:06  
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Jann Arden  51:09  
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Speaker 1  51:33  
Sara, and Caitlin. It's Wendy from the GTA. I just want to let you know that I have been listening to you since the very beginning and 2020 and you guys got me through the pandemic era lifesavers, and a mom of triplet boys plus a girl and they're all teenagers, but you have helped me survive. years of just laughter and listen, I haven't missed an episode yet. Hi, Jen.

Speaker 2  52:04  
Kate, Roman Sarah, I'm carrying from Canada, Ontario. You three lovely ladies are such a delight to listen to. And I'm always thrilled when there is a new podcast. I just returned from a long drive to Thunder Bay. 16 kilometers each way. And for most of it, it was just myself. My Boston Terrier, Gracie and the three of you. I listened to your podcast the whole way. And you made my trip so much fun. Good thing you couldn't hear me Oh shit. When I almost hit a bear at 4:30am just east of North Bay. Oh my god, I thought it was a goner. Enjoy the summers, summer ladies and take pleasure and all the little moments in life. I hope it doesn't involve a bear. Bye for now.

Jann Arden  52:43  
We're so grateful that people are leaving voice notes and are even talking

Speaker 3  52:48  
to us at all because it means a lot. Not a lot of people respond or say stuff to us on a weekly basis.

Jann Arden  52:56  
Anyway, Caitlin green sauerberg. Thank you, and we'll see you next time to leading