Post Election Group Therapy

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Hello, everyone. Jan Arden, Caitlin green, Sarah Burke, Jan Arden, podcast and show. What a fucking sad day.

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Let's set the tone in the time we are recording this on Wednesday. Yes,

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fine. Why don't you be the keeper of the flame? This just happened last night.

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The US election, of course, is what we're referencing.

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Trump defeats Harris, marking historic comeback, says the Wall Street Journal. Former Republican president is the first in over a century to reclaim the White House after losing it. So there has been one other president in the history of presidents that obviously served a term, lost the term, waited four years and then served another term. It was over

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120 years ago too. Yeah. So to be crazy,

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it just goes to show you how divided the country is. I mean, although he did win the popular vote this time, which tells you the agitation, the fear mongering, I'm so dumbfounded I have hardly slept just because I kept checking my phone. You know, my body was just waking up. I'd check it at 130 they still hadn't called it, and then they finally did call it. He was giving his speech, but there was a couple of outlets that hadn't officially called him the winner. There's a lot of heavy hearts. So when you have half the country, basically, let's just say half the country that wanted Kamala to win and all the things that she was presenting, actual plans for the economy, actual plans for healthcare, actual plans for immigration, actual plans for women's health and wellness. And he was just like, I do have a plan. I just I haven't. I have concepts of a plan, but thoughts girls go because I'm just dumbfounded. I'm tired. I have so many thoughts.

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I'm not surprised in the slightest, like, I am not No, not even one cell in my body was like, what? Like? I was like, Oh, this is 1,000% going to happen. I did get hopeful, like I felt that Kamala had a much better chance, I think, than than Joe Biden would have. But she still has been in the White House with him for the past four years, and I do believe that that sort of sunk her battleship, more or less, because people really want change right now. And even though the US economy is performing better than so many other places in the world, it doesn't change the fact that people are really struggling to feel as though they are going to be upwardly mobile, that they are in a better position than their parents were, that they're necessarily gonna leave things in a better position than they will to their kids, and so they're they want change. You know, does that mean that they narrow their focus and dig into the issues and look at the platform that everyone's running on? No, but it just means that they're like, they're ready to have this disrupting moment, and that also, too, we've seen this for a long time. It's been discussed widely that, you know, men aren't doing as well. They're not doing as well as they were in terms of graduating, going into post secondary education, financially, they're not doing as well. And there's lots of, you know, non partisan reasons for this and that people will discuss, but it is contributing, many believe, to sort of this disenfranchised male vote that came out in support of something different, something not what we're used to. So I think it's, I think this is such a historic win like, I cannot overstate this enough that this is like, this is, this is the Republican Party. Now he has mega and the mega politicians, they are the heart and soul of the new Republican Party. The older Republican Party is, is, you know, well, out to pasture now, and it's, it's a lot of his, his Republicans are now in and will be for some time. So, yeah, this was a pretty resounding, I would say, you know, as resounding as it can be, given that, like you pointed out, Dan, there's still a lot of people in the country who aren't fans, but he very clearly won, and he it's not like people don't know what he's about. That's the other thing. Before it was like, Oh, we don't really know what he's about. What do we do? What does he think? It's like, we've had a long time to get to know this guy. They elected what they knew very much. So, very much. So

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what does it take? What does it he could have walked up to a woman on the street, shot her in the neck, and they still would have voted for him. They would have said he had a reason for shooting her, and she was bugging him. She she did this. She did that. It's, it's amazing what people overlooked. A convicted felon, a sexual predator. You know, he's got so many lawsuits pending. This all disappears. Now I have the numbers right here. Go please read it's

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the front cover of Vanity Fair. Yeah, the Vanity Fair digital cover, 34 counts

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of felony, one conviction, two cases pending, two impeachment. In six bankruptcies in four more years. If you go look on our YouTube, you'll see this, but if you search Vanity Fair, you'll see this going around socials. But you have

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to assume that a lot of people don't believe that those things are all valid. Fake

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News, fake news, fake tell people enough times and they're going to believe you. That's all it is. It's been repeating messaging his like

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true social thing, I bet you, at the end of all this will be worth something like $5 billion and and what he does better than some is simplify a message, whether you like that message or not like he does that. And he is sort of the master of one of the great global exports of the US, which is marketing, which is advertising, which is selling an idea and a feeling, and sort of tapping into that and using it to your own benefit. And I think he's he's done that very well. How do

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you think they're going to feel when they realize he doesn't care? How do you think they're going to feel when when they realize he's not going to do anything for anybody? When you look at his record, you know, when he was in office in 2016 he didn't do anything. He didn't ever get the wall built. He didn't really do mind you, this is a very typical thing with any politician. Probably 90% of the things they promised don't come to fruition. He said that the day after he takes office, he's going to be doing a massive deportation of millions of illegal and legal immigrants. That's never going to happen, because their economy will fall into the shitter. Everyone doing menial jobs, everyone doing the jobs that no white American wants to have. Also, the

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process of which you remove that many people from your country is very expensive, but

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that struck a note. This is about racism, bigotry, misogyny, being homophobic. There's so many, so much fear wrapped up with these people. They're so afraid now, seeing how much racism there is in the United States, I knew it was there. But this is

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for me. I'm like, it's really it's here. We have a lot of it. We have a lot of it on the left and the right. Like, I hear a lot of things where I'm like, Oh, you really think that?

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And that's because of the states Caitlin. That's

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because it's also just human nature,

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I know. But we weren't like that before we were not like this before Trump. I'm talking about the rhetoric of racism is is predominantly there. And yes, we've been kidding ourselves in Canada, if we think that it's a non existent thing, absolutely there. The indigenous people can tell you that that's been going on for, you know, since the beginning of time. But what his his language, the lying, the tone that he sets like when you get up and you just tell somebody that something is red when it's yellow, and people just believe you. It's a really scary thing. And here's another statistic that's very disconcerting. They did a huge study. 54% of the American population is illiterate. And by that, I mean they cannot understand complex words they can't spell. They can't, you know, assimilate certain things. That is the actual facts that people can't spell words like psychology. I'm just giving you examples of what this study presented to them here. Spell this 54% and then further that, there's like, 26% that are completely illiterate, like they don't have reading and writing skills. That is a huge part of this puzzle. When you have a population that is not educated, that are not critical thinkers, you can plug in any ideas that you want, and if you tell them, This is what's going to happen, I'm for you. And he has said in a room being recorded that he does not care about these people, the people that he plays to his base he could give two shits about. He just wants to get into office, period.

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Yeah, I think that he is obviously very much out for himself. But I do think that it works both ways, where it's like a we're for us sort of thing, and so works for him, and it works for pitting groups against each other. But what I at least feel like I've seen with my friends who live in the US and who maybe weren't supporters of his, but came around to some of his ideas, or at least started becoming afraid of things that he said he didn't like as well. What I do feel like end up, ends up happening is like people do, historically, vote on the economy. And so people are voting on the economy, even though the economy, actually in the US, is performing fairly well. Overall, people have less money, and the cost of goods has skyrocketed. And you also have to your point about education, a situation in the US where you have crippling post secondary education related debt, and you have a situation where many people aren't even bothering to go to university now because they can't afford it. And it's sort of like this. This second tier education has only become available to people who are either wealthy or have connections and and

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that's the people that he loves, is the wealthy people. He doesn't care about the middle class. Well,

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yeah, because he's not, like, he's, he's, you know, he's gonna create tax cuts for the wealthy, because they're the ones who hold the power, and they're the ones who are sort of in charge of the economy, and that's really what he cares about. I mean, any like, I bet you, if people look at their portfolios today, the stock market's like, Woohoo. And. That's the thing that's like, the driving force in the US, right? It's an incredibly capitalistic dog eat dog society by its very nature. And you can have so many periods in its history where, you know you have, like the New Deal that came out, but you know that that era brought a lot of progress, but also a lot of problems. And there is sort of this back and forth that happens all the time, but I do think he's inherited the Republican Party, and that's what we're seeing. You're going to have lots of Republican presidents, and they're going to be in there for a long time, but the way that he made the party bend to him is really, is really something to be studied, because that's why he's there. You know, if, if this was a different guy who was in charge there, then you would see a different candidate. He wouldn't be there. But, like, how has he made this message take over the Republican Party? It's

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nostalgia. Like, because people who elected him, I think a big part of what they want is to go back in time. I heard this on one of the programs I was watching last night, like, super late at one in the morning. But it was, was basically like this time when you had women didn't have to work the man, could support both the man and the woman, right, like, and not saying anything about like gender and what I'm saying right now, just that there was a time where it was completely acceptable and normal for the man to be able to work to support the household with enough money you didn't need two people economically possible. And even if you think back to just the 2016 like people who are voting to like feel back to that time of 2016 when it was a little more affordable to live. And it's almost like people completely forgot about the pandemic and what that actually does to the economy, and how that had nothing to do with Biden Trump, Kamala, like every single country struggled with that, right? And it did impact everywhere. People are just electing to a simpler and easier time. I think, yeah, it

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feels like they want change. And Canada should be very, very wary, like, because the same exact, you know, chickens that are coming home to roost there will be roosting up here and so, and really, to, like, take the time, I think, to like, speak to people who are, like, coming around to this when they're just sort of at that switch point, and they're like, they're just, I'm like, I really, I do truly, really want to hear from people who are like, I voted one way my whole life, and now I've switched. I'm interested on both sides of knowing why they've switched. Why did somebody who supported say the Republicans for a long time turn on Trump? Why did they maybe switch to Kamala? Oh,

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and the word I kept hearing was authenticity, people calling Trump more authentic, and it's like that's what got elected. He's

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not equipped to do this job. He doesn't have the mental capacity, he doesn't have the grace, he doesn't have anything worthwhile in order for him to do this job. It's just going to scare people, intimidate people, when you have a man sitting talking about McCain saying that, Oh, wait till the nine guns are pointed at her. When you have these blatant statements, when you see a guy giving a blow job to a microphone at a rally, when you see a man, you can Laugh all you want. It's I find it so unfunny. And the things that he has said, the things that he has done, the way he talks about other people. You know, American Politics, Politics globally, have always been kind of a dirty game. You know, there's always the ads near the end of the run always get dirtier and more vicious and just more absurd of what they're saying about the other candidate. But this, he is a dangerous person. He fancies himself like an oligarch, a dictatorship. He talked about with the libertarians. He spoke to them. He said, You know, you vote for me this. You'll never have to vote again in your life. He said that you'll never have to vote again in your life. He and this whole, you know, the 2025 club, I call them, of the guys. He's he's tried to distance himself from the agenda that this particular group has, and it really is about a white hat and a red cape that women wear, stripping them of their rights. Kennedy is supposed to be being put in charge of, you know, health care immediately taking fluoride out of the water. Well, good fucking luck. Most of the people that are in your country will have their teeth falling out of their head because they have no access to dental care. They can't afford it, and they never go to a dentist. There's a lot of people in that country that have never been to the dentist in their lives. And I can say that about Canada, too. At least, we have introduced a program that I saw a million people going to a dentist this year, a million. Yeah, I don't know if I should be appalled at that or cheering that on, that people are in a position where they can't even afford that, but you know, like I said, he's just got a guy that's gonna take the fluoride out and completely stop doing vaccinations of any kind. And I'm not talking, you know, COVID vaccinations. I'm talking polio, measles, chicken pox, the flu vaccines that he believes that are causing, you know, psyche. Problems in people. You got a fucking psychiatric problem. Like, look at your psychiatric problem. Like all these things you can say all you want about, you know, people switching their votes. I mean, it's, it sounds all really great and very, you know, political, and they're doing the right thing for the economy. When you look at a person's character, I think it's disgusting that they anyone has voted for him, and the motivation is about getting rid of immigrants, having cheap gasoline, getting what they want. You know, flipping their finger to the other side of the fence because you, like you said, Caitlin, us and them, I feel like we're just headed to such a terrible time in human history. And I'll tell you this much, things never end well for guys like him, whether you're looking at, you know, the 40s, when you had Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, you know, earlier than that, all these guys that fancied themselves, these wonderful leaders. He loves these guys. He runs around quoting Hitler on a regular basis. What the fuck I wouldn't care if the guy was gonna say, Jan, you never have to pay taxes again in your life. Vote for me. I'd rather fucking cut my legs off. So that's what I mean. But

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like, you're not everybody. You're really not like, and that's the part, that's the part that's like, like, I get it. I get why people are, like, outraged. And I just what I don't see happening from the left very often is a lot of organization. It's a lot of like our left.

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It was poorly run campaign. It was a poorly run campaign, and like some

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of the issues, are not statistically representative of what voters are interested in. So as much as we can run on these impassioned feelings, you better get pragmatic with your policies. You better start speaking to the people who vote, because they are going to vote, and they have voted, and I believe they voting, I'll give them that. Yeah, yeah, this is an unequivocal vote in favor of what he's done. And then the people who sat at home and aren't again, the people who sit at home and then aren't happy about the results, I really do not want to hear from you. I really don't care what you think, because you've removed yourself from the political system that's at play, which is very often something that is done in a position of privilege, to just say, like, I don't care, I'm not going to vote, I'm not going to engage. But there's, there's a lot of statistics and a lot of things that people haven't listened to like, I think they said that 47% of 18 to 29 year old men, and not white men. We're talking like all men in the US have voted for Trump, so he has galvanized certain voting populations. And you also have to look at the role that you know social media plays with disseminating misinformation or targeted information campaigns. And I did a lot of listening to the daily and they have, it's not brought to you by The New York Times, but they have a reporter called astad Herndon, who goes around, and he is speaking to everybody, like boots on the ground, talking to people about why they are supporting Trump or not heard his stuff. It's very interesting. It's very interesting. And so that, I think that sort of like, from that perspective, I'm quite interested in hearing from people on like, what part of the Democratic Party no longer resonated with you, like, what part of that, what part of your life did you feel like they were either making worse or not addressing or ignoring? Because I think a lot of that stuff can be mirrored here in Canada. So I'm interested in on that level. And I see a lot of and hear a lot of people who are really angry here about grocery costs. They're really angry here about sending all those same things, sending a ton of money overseas for programs that then don't benefit Canadians, when no one here can handle their monthly bills. You know, it's great that we had the dental plan roll out. That's thanks to the NDP. The NDP held the Liberals feet to the fire on that one. And so they have to start. Everyone has to start figuring out exactly what matters to their core base. How do you expand your core base to include people who might be, well, character doesn't

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matter. Character doesn't matter. We learned, unfortunately, there's zero. There's there's no accountability. They would elect Satan if, if he said, you know this, this and this, you know, the Democrats could have had Jesus Christ running for them, and they still wouldn't have won. But

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also, like, we had a drug addict as mayor here for so long, like I was, like, we had a mayor who smoked crack on camera. Like, I've, we've seen this. This is not and politics is not some sort of, like you said, politics is a dirty game. It always has been. There's been connections to organized crime for years. There have been crooked politicians for years,

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but we really need to hear, like, the on, like, I love what you were saying about being really interested in what didn't resonate and why they didn't vote Democrat last night. I also I heard, okay, this was on CBC, and they had someone down at the Republican Party, of course, right? As well as the Democrat Yeah, gathering, which was not a party, and 21 year old girl, please tell me like, I'm so interested to hear like, what your thoughts are on on Trump, even with you know, what's been said about women's health and the you know all of that. And her answer sounded just. Donald Trump, literally. You can hear her echoing his thoughts. A 21 year old girl who's in university can't

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wait to see how the economy goes. Can't wait to see how this all rolls out in the next four years, because it's going to be a big bust. Well, especially

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for Canada, has to be careful, because he's like again, a negotiation tactic of his is to start in before you go into negotiations, he will start on a really hard line thing by saying, I'm going to tax everything that comes into the country. That's what he's saying. I'm going to place tariffs on all imported

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go. He's going to pass that on to his people. Good luck with that. They don't even understand you try and explain tariffs to an American kid standing on the corner, you know, you're buying T shirts from China. They're gonna put tariffs on them. You're gonna have to sell your $10 t shirt for 15 bucks. You pay for it.

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Yeah. And I think the average cost that they estimate if he did enact difficult tariff policies for other countries, I think that the average cost of goods increasing annually for an American would be $3,800 something to that effect. That's

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a lot of money for people, it's

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a lot of money. And that's not like that's just talking about the increase of price of goods right during that time. We're not talking about anything else,

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whether it's tires or fucking rubber gloves or paper towels, whatever that

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is. But it's expensive for Canadians, right? Because they're our primary trading partner, so we're then going to give them goods at an increased cost, which will negatively impact Canadian manufacturers. So what ends up happening is, you're you, you kind of end up shoring up this feeling everywhere around the world of protectionism, and that starts to sell where it's like, the the Make America Great Again message, because then it starts to negatively impact all of your partners and everyone else then comes home to roost here, because we're like, well, we have to start protecting ourselves, which isn't, in essence, wrong. But then you you get candidates that lead with that, and it's, it's tricky. So, like, there's a lot, there's just, there's a lot at play. I hope he's using this as a negotiation tactic and does not jam us, because the Canadian economy does not need that.

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And an incentive to help with negotiation, that's

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what I believe. 12

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weeks ago, he said there's a tap in Canada, and we can turn it on. I can give California all the water, all the water that they need. I can give them all the water, all the water. There's a tap, and we say to Canada, you don't get this until you give us the water. Like he's literally picturing a big tap that a couple of lumberjacks go and turn on and fucking send their water down to California like nothing is going to surprise me what happens with this particular administration, but it is. It's a cautionary tale, and it's not going to be what people think Caitlin. It's not going to be this economic windfall. You watch the stock markets, they Oh, after every election, it goes, yay. You know something's happening. There's a shift in how things are working. And a month from now, it's going to be a much different story, because he's going to be faced in January with actually enacting policies. And you wait how long Kennedy lasts as leading health care, he's going to fucking annihilate it. He's going to hurt millions and millions of young people. This is a recipe for disaster, and they have voted for it because they think they're going to have an advantage over the other side. So that's the whole problem. Not one one of these cannons played to the whole country. They played to bases. So, and you touched on it a bit. Caitlyn of you know, finding what those people need to hear. And it's sad how easily they are manipulated. When you saw the lineups of hundreds and hundreds of people going into the rallies, they couldn't answer any time they were interviewed by anyone name one of Trump's policies. Well, you caught me off guard there like it was over. It wasn't just one time. It was over and over and over and over, and their faces were painted with American masks. It was like they were going to a fucking, you know, a football game and having a tailgate party in the parking lot, like they think, this is a game. It's not a game. You

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Yeah. Well, the tricky thing is those millions of people vote. And so then you are stuck with the situation where, you know, democracy is an imperfect structure, but it's the best we've got. And so you you want to try to then say, well, if every single person over here in these states, are constantly voting, maybe against their own self interests. How do we speak to them about voting in their own self interest? Like, how do you get wrong?

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I agree. I mean, it's a very finite thing. How do you find that candidate that you know breaks through the noise and actually makes people feel like this is very serious. It's not a game. And all these promises I'm making you, I'm not going to follow through on any of them, the walls never going to get made. It's going to be very curious to see how, once again, this unfolds, because the game is much more serious than it was even when we left in 2020 with the Ukraine, with Russia, with North Korea. Oh, they'll be

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out of Ukraine. And. Time with Israel, Lebanon,

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Gaza China. I mean, it's a much more serious game, and they think of him as a buffoon. There's not one world leader that doesn't think of him as a chump. He just is Putin's smart enough to realize I can play this guy like a fucking fiddle.

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I brought this quote like I just took a screenshot of it, because I was like, yeah, that resonates. The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubt, while the stupid ones are full of confidence. And who's who's it attributed to Charles Bucha.

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Oh, Charles Bucha, well, no shit. When

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you're feeling like you're a part of something, this is where that confidence comes in, right? When it's almost like, like you were allowed into the fraternity. It's almost like, I mean, you're kind of using the analogy of, like a football game and sports, like, you know, if you feel a part of something, you're confident, even if you don't understand the basis of it,

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yeah, and it's like, we've, we've probably heard of this before, but it's the Dunning Kruger effect, where it's like, it's a cognitive bias that people have, where people who are, let's say, a little bit sharper, tend to have a lot of self doubt, and and the people who are not particularly competent in one area will exhibit, actually, a lot of overconfidence. And, and that sort of is, is a part of a lot of this. But let's like, really, you're like, okay, but and everyone lives in their silo. Now more than ever, the algorithms feed to it. But this started with with Fox News, and this started with the separation of how people get their information. Again, I do truly believe that, you know, educational institutions becoming rather elitist and and only basing people on like you know, how much they can afford for things to become so economically unachievable, for people to go and get post secondary education like I think about what my grandparents and what my parents paid when they went to university, it's such a different story. So I do think that happens, and it's sort of like the dumb ification of everything and everyone, and it makes people vulnerable to messaging that is not necessarily based in fact or logic, not based on policies, but based instead on a general feeling, like tapping into a feeling you have that this isn't fair to me, that this isn't fair. Things are unfair. I can't get ahead. My kids can't get ahead. The deck is stacked against me. And he did that very well. He spoke to that very well for people. And so it's, it's hard to, like, it's hard to wrap your head around when you just want to say, this isn't in your best interest. Like, you're not going to make necessarily any more money from him. You're going to be put at greater risk. You're standing on the global stage, is going to be negatively impacted, like, it's, it's, but you can't necessarily win those arguments. So no, I just think that, yeah, Canadians also just need to be like, I see a lot of every time on Twitter whenever there's like, a US political thing that happens, Canadian trends. Like, everyone's like, Oh, well, as a Canadian, and not here in Canada. And I always just want to say to Canadian say to Canadians, tread very lightly on your moral superiority over our US, neighbors to the south

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Pierre. Poilievre is 20 points ahead right now, like that piece of it,

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speaking of Canadian Trump said, not so long ago during this campaign, if he wins the election, as soon as Trudeau steps on American soil, they're going to arrest him and charge him with treason for

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what

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says the convicted felon. Now,

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if Kamala Harris had made a statement like that, she was held to much higher standards than he was. Of course, she was. Everyone wanted to hear her policies exactly the finite thing on on Israel and Gaza and the Palestinians. They wanted these finite answers. And Trump was not held to that same accountability. I have concepts of a plan. It was a completely different ball game.

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The grade with which Republican supporters grade Trump is very different than how Democratic supporters graded Joe Biden, the speed with which they the EXP the way they expedited throwing him to the curb, considering how well many of his policies actually performed during a massive global economic downturn, is is really also something to take note of. It is a long held belief that the left eats their own by the right, like they always say that, and they are not necessarily wrong. And so I do think that that tends to happen. Like, I remember her trying to the Palestinian protesters who were very vocal during some of her speeches, the way she was criticized for shutting that down. You know, with him,

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they weren't with him. They didn't dare, no, they would have been hauled off. They would have been shut down. They didn't do it to him, but

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they're not even there. That's my point. So

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explain that to me.

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Those people aren't there for his campaigns. They go to hers because they identify as democratic left leaning voters, and a Democratic left leaning voter is going to be sooner to yell at their politicians about. Not being far enough left. My

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point was, is that even the media held her to a much higher standard than they did him. And you know there's there's the female part of it, you know, the gender part of it, but then there's just the part where reporters are almost frightened to ask him questions, because he would just bully them into submission, like he would just shut them down.

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Did either of you watch him on Joe Rogan, or listen to a bit of it? Yes, yeah.

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I listened to half of it and I couldn't listen to it anymore. Yeah. Joe Rogan, by the way, has said that he is not a Trump supporter, which was very interesting. He endorsed him. Well, in many interviews, he has said, I'm not a Trump guy. I'm not a Trump guy. So here's another one that switched mid game.

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I can see Caitlin's looking that up right now. I was, while she is, I was just going to say, like,

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it might be an older clip, yeah, I was surprised that he had endorsed him, because he did it very late in the election. But my belief was that he had endorsed Trump based more on Elon Musk than he did on Trump. Like he likes Elon.

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They're all worried about what's going to happen to them and their money and things like that. I can't stress this enough watching how this all unfolds and the things that are not going to happen that he said he was going to happen. They are going to double down on women's health. I think we're an easy target. I think the trans community is an easy target, and they're going to do things that are actually within the form and function of their government, and what the Senate and Congress is able to do, and that's what worries me, is that they're going to cherry pick these things, that the policies and the legalities of them with the Supreme Court are going to be easy to get that through. And you can say, we told you we'd do that. We told you we would protect women, and it's much easier to Micro Focus on those things than to extradite 4 million people from New Jersey, or, you know, get the wall built, or whatever they're going to do with the Ukraine. Well, he's

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two Supreme Court Judge appointments away from, like, doing kind of whatever he wants. I mean, there should be term limits for the Supreme Court judges. 100% they die. They have to die. I know it's crazy. Like, it's crazy to die, and

32:03  
fucking, as you get older, you get a little more crackers too. Like, you're not always cognitively responsible for how you're thinking. You're also

32:11  
not necessarily reflective of, like, the time and place that you're you're making decisions in so 1962 called they want their outfit back. So, yeah, Women's Health is a huge issue. Like, if I was, if I was a US, would

32:22  
you agree? Right, that it is absolutely that that's something that's doable.

32:26  
Women's lives are hanging in the balance. One, make no mistake about that. And women voted for him, for sure they did there, because I think, like so again, and it's not hyperbolic to say this. Like, I'm not prone to being hyperbolic about things that I'm like, this is true. Like you will have women who die. What

32:43  
a horrible sentence to hear you say. That sent chills through my body. Yeah, do you

32:49  
and do you think that death in those situations are is going to pick between Republican and Democrat? No, it's not. No, it's not. So you're playing with everyone's lives on every side of the aisle, and it's a lesson that they've had to learn over and over and over again in politics to try to leave women's health between them and their doctor, but they just keep jamming their nose in it all the time.

33:11  
And that's the Christian. That is, the Christian, the right wing Christian portion of this whole thing. When I saw him at a gathering, I think it was at Mar a Lago or somewhere in Florida, when he had like 40 Latino people placing their hands on him, communally, like all these men reaching their hands in and saying that he was sent by God, playing that card has been one of the most disgusting things to watch unfold the fucking Trump Bible. And the man has never read a Bible verse in his life. He's never read in his life. All he does is watches television to see, to count, to see what he looks like, or it's so crazy to me that people are willing to set all that stuff aside. No, Kamala Harris is not perfect, either. But it's funny when people make that decision, they walk in and they make a decision and they really don't know what they're gonna get. Like, I just don't want a woman leading the country. I think that

34:05  
they also don't necessarily know, a lot of people don't know someone who's been, you know, impacted by what they believe are the laws that he would set up. Like, he puts it in very extreme terms of what would happen for abortion bans that would only be these most extreme cases, and there's no real breakdown of what that would even look like on his part. And so a lot of people don't have experience with that, but, like, I do, because, like, we we had what would technically be described as, like, it's an infant loss, right? But I wound up then in group in, like, group therapy, with women who had to have a late term termination of their pregnancy because their pregnancy was no longer viable, and that would not be legal in the United States of America, precisely. And these are women who are not doing this because they like waited to have an abortion, and this is now birth control. These are women who want a child, who have a nursery, who have names chosen, and then have to go have this for MediCal. Reasons, and they're so upset about it that I'm in group therapy with them for weeks. And some of them are so, feel so judged by, like, their, you know, religious family members or whoever, they don't even tell them. And they're like, I haven't even told my parents, because my parents are religious. And I'm like, you guys don't see this part of it. So, like, that's, like, it's disgusting. So for women to vote against that, I'm like, this really should make many people a single issue voter, because that is a very important single issue. But so many times throughout history, people have to just, I'm like, Y'all gotta learn things the hard way. Yeah, it comes from the upbringing.

35:33  
Well, that's the partner you have too. It's the partner that you have as well. Yeah, you, you, you don't want to rock the boat. And I think there's still a lot of those relationships that are, you know, stuck in the 70s where you kind of got to go along with what he says, and women are literally fearful for their lives. Trump said on more than one occasion, he had incredible journalists sitting five feet across from him saying, Do you think women should be punished for having an abortion? He said, Yes, yeah. What is that punishment he was asked? Well, that's yet to be established, or whatever. I'm

36:07  
paraphrasing here, concepts of a plan, same, same, yeah.

36:09  
What about the man that stuck his dink in there and had a night of whatever? What about that I will never understand, the responsibility of the 16 year old kid, or the fucking shitty uncle, or the guy that raped or, you know, whatever. Well, how

36:25  
many pregnancies can a woman have in one year? One, how many pregnancies can a man create in one year? What? 2400, something to that effect. Like, to my point, it's like, this is it's not it. This should not be a gendered issue. They're

36:37  
not told to do anything with their bodies. And ask them anytime you know, if you were, they're like, Well, you can't, it's my body, my choice, like when you were talking about COVID shot, no, but yet you're saying to a woman that it's not her choice if she doesn't, you know, want to do something. Yeah,

36:49  
and I was just going to say that that same exact 21 year old at the Republican Party on CBC last night was asked specifically, how can you vote for Trump, knowing this is how he feels about abortion and women's health. And her answer was, I've been pro this my entire life. My family has been she literally started talking about her father in the interview, and that's where, you know, I think again, whatever family establishment and those family beliefs that you have come from, I think what the world needs not just the US, but everywhere moving forward, is like the actual generation voting to ask themselves, what do we care about? Not our parents, not our people before, like it's it's what impacts you.

37:33  
My overall feeling, to be totally honest, is not that in any way. This is not like Dire Straits for a lot of people, but that like, people will say, like, oh, America is never going to survive this. Like, I really, in my heart, believe yes, they will Yes, and people will use this. If you don't like what's happening, use this to galvanize yourself and organize. Get hyper local with your politics. Like, do engage.

37:58  
I agree completely. They will survive it, they will be steady on it's going to

38:02  
like we take care of us. You know what? I mean, that's like the truth. But I

38:06  
wish the divide wasn't that chasm of of separation wasn't there because we all want the same things. And I'm guilty. I am guilty of judging people that vote for him. I am guilty of making assumptions about them. I'm guilty of all of it because I'm scared, I'm confused, I'm shocked, I'm really concerned, and so I make them my enemy, and I know, as a somewhat intelligent person that I am falling into the trap in which I hold other people accountable to, you know, by by being on that side of the fence. And if you were to meet these people, you'd probably find common ground and something to have a laugh about, and have a red solo cup and share a beer at a ball game, and your kids would play together, and, you know you'd talk about, you wouldn't be talking about books that you read, but you talking about movies that you might have seen. But I'm guilty of it. I have to sit myself down, calm the fuck down, and try and find a way in areas. So I am but I don't want to be part of the problem, and I don't want to say I'm never go. I'm not going to the States for four years. I don't want to penalize my own life. You know, it'd be fun to go with friends to Vegas or palm springs or go down to fans, but I'm guilty of it. I'm sitting here telling you that I'm an asshole. You're not. I have to get past my my fears.

39:41  
What you're speaking to is what Trump wanted to do in dividing but I

39:46  
but I'm guilty of it, Sarah, I can't sit here and say, you hear how upset and mad I am, right? That's what I'm

39:51  
that's what I think is happening all around like, the most relatable thing, I feel like if the left and right sat down together and they were like, oh, wouldn't we all just be like, Oh, we're. Pissed off, like, Wouldn't everyone just be like, I'm so mad about things,

40:04  
about a government in general that is letting us down, not, not a government that's only for half people and for the other half, and feeling

40:12  
like you're not going to get ahead, and feeling like you you this thing. You were sold this idea of becoming upwardly mobile and having control over your own life, all these things. Yeah, like it really, it contributes to it. And I do really feel as though the the psychological impact of COVID on everyone around the world cannot be overstated enough. It stands to reason that we're going to go through some ups and downs after something like that. But I really do think big brand, I have to believe that it can't be as bad as everyone thinks it's going to be on either side. Because you have to understand that, like, if Kamala Harris was voted in, right? Everyone was saying, and this was like Elon went on, on Joe Rogan's podcast, and said, you know, you have to fight vote like your life depends on it, because it does. Because here's the stakes. The stakes are this high. Everyone on either side loves to just ratchet up these stakes all the time, catastrophizing, scaring the hell out of everybody. And so I liked I'm at my core. I do think the older I get, the more I'm like, What happened to like politics, how I grew up? Like, what happened to centrist politics, where it was kind of politics was sort of boring. And like, every once in a while, like, a little controversy would pop up. It created an enemy. And also the two, it's like, a like, it's like, the far left and the far right are like, right over here. But I'm like, You guys are almost like, here. You think your

41:33  
way part the election really was, they really remember this. And I

41:38  
feel like it's all the people in the middle who are like, I don't recognize any of this. Like, I'm like, What the hell is happening? This

41:44  
has separated families. This has separated husbands and wives. This has separated, you know, fathers and their their sons. This has separated people. You know, I liken it to the Civil War. I mean, there's no shooting going on yet, but it is so divisive, and we're going to wrap this up soon, but I'm going to say, and this may be very surprising, to people, I wish him success with the United States of America. I wish him thoughtfulness and wellness. I hope he takes counsel from good people. I hope they are steady with their decisions. I hope they really find concern about almost 400 million people that live in a country. I hope they care about the environment. I hope women get a fair and just decision for them. I hope it changes. I hope maybe that'll swing a bit. He did talk about looking after women's health. He did change his his narrative about women's health during this campaign. Let's see if he enacts on but I'm not going to sit here and hate him. I don't hate anybody. I don't like him. I don't know him. I just know what I see. But I just I apologize for going off. I think I owe our listeners a bit of an apology, because, no, I don't want to be an alarmist. I

43:06  
mean, it's the day after the election, for crying out loud. But I don't, I don't want to

43:09  
be part of a problem. I want to go into this with positivity. Caitlin, you nailed it. Find good people you know, be involved in your community. Do that micro politics and find an issue that you are committed to changing, and get in there and and change it. Because what

43:27  
this should tell everyone, even if, again, you don't, you're, if you're not happy with the outcome of this election, I completely understand that as a relatable sentiment shared by so many. But use this as something that's like, what this does say is that it's people want change. They're ready to shake things up a bit. And that could include you, that could include you in some way. You could go and decide to maybe you've never been involved in the Canadian political process. Look into what the platforms of these parties are. Get involved on a local level, like, understand that this is a disruptive moment that we're living in. And like, you can be part of this. It's like, if the guy from the apprentice as the President of the United States like, to quote Jan's Mom, why not you? Why couldn't this be you? Like, so, you know what I mean, don't second guess yourself. I'm like, Oh, I could never. I'm like, if you care, and if something bugs you, if you're like, there should be a stoplight here. The hell is happening. You write that letter. Like, go, go, do something about it. Like, figure out what aligns with your values, and like, get involved and be you know, be informed about it. Well,

44:30  
yeah, and most of people's stupid vitriolic comments stems from fear. It stems from being forgotten. It stems from themselves feeling marginalized, and they just feel like no one hears them or sees them. And a lot of this stuff stems from that. So I'm gonna do less yelling, and I do vow for this. We're not going to be talking about Trump going forward. We're just not this is, this is the last show.

44:54  
There's something to congratulate him on that he brought something in that was, well, Sarah, you'll

44:57  
have to talk to your boss about that to. Because right now, we are not talking about anybody in politics. Can

45:05  
I leave you with a positive please do

45:08  
if you have to fucking be positive, fucking do it? Just get it over with. This

45:12  
is from your girl, Melissa Gilbert, who posted this morning. I will say this when the dust settles, we are going to see here and read some extraordinary art.

45:19  
Okay, well, let's leave it there. Thank you. Melissa Gilbert, 50 years of Little House on the Prairie, can't be wrong. That's true if you're wondering who Melissa Gilbert was. Anyway, once again, thank you to our listeners. This was kind of a heavy day, and I know everyone's feeling really sensitive. I mean, it's Friday and it's it's already like, four days old and and maybe the dust has already settled a little bit from from when we've recorded this. And I'll remind our listeners that we were recording this the morning after I haven't slept very much, and I really am, I really was worried, and somebody had to win, right? But what a nail biter, like, what a game and democracy. You said it Caitlin, what a great system. It's the only way to go that people have spoken. They have spoken in a fair and organized and legal system called democracy, and whatever the outcome is, people had a say, they had a stake. They had a dog in the hunt. And that's so important, the fact that we live in countries, Canada and the United States, that we get a chance to vote for what we want. And, yeah, it's always hard to pick a candidate. Sometimes they give you two knuckleheads. And, you know, and it happens time and time again. You're working you're trying to vote for the lesser of two evils. And and I mean that with love in my heart, anyone that goes into political life is not as far as I'm concerned. It's a hard, hard game. But let's, let's wish our neighbors to the south well when they win and when they do well, we do well and we win too.

Let's shift gears for a second to another topic.

47:01  
So first week of November, have you guys had snow in Calgary? Yet? We

47:05  
had snow, like a week ago, and I was like, here we go. This is it? Everything's stopping now, because I few days before that, I was looking at it was green grass. Still like green grass. And a few days before that, there was people in cafes. Like, the end of October, it has been absolutely a beautiful fall here, but, yeah, a little bit of snow, completely gone. Now there's nothing like, I almost thought to myself, I need to go out and mow my lawn. Like, Jan, no, you don't need to mow your lawn. It's

47:36  
so funny, though, because, like, I, I'm usually someone who procrastinates with the winter tire thing. My dad is, like, harassing me through Texas. I

47:43  
don't blame him. Yeah, he

47:45  
wants me to be safe. But also, like, so I got them done early this year, the first time ever, and then it's 22 degrees three times this week. I'm like, but you don't

47:55  
wait. This is what people do here. Have you ever seen snow in Vancouver? Because people are just completely they can't drive. They are just sliding all over the place. And I'm like, have they've never heard of all season radios. So here, it's a very good and I am. I'm with your dad. 1,000,000% you need to put your winter tires on before it snows. You don't, you don't go to get those swapped out on the first snowy day, because usually you have to make an appointment. Don't you need to make an appointment? Yes, you do,

48:30  
yeah, but I got my Italian guy, Frank. I just send a text. I'm like, Frank, when can I come in? You know, didn't you tell us at one point, your dad taught you how to change a tire. You could do it yourself. No, he absolutely taught me how to change. Can you change? Can you change your winter yourself? I

48:45  
could change all my tires. I mean, I'm used. I suppose I could. I've never changed all my winter tires. Thank God, there are people for that. But, yeah, my dad taught me when I was 16. Fact, before he let me drive my car, he taught me how to change a tire. He literally dragged me out of bed. He was probably hungover. Have I not told you the story before?

49:04  
I feel like it rings a bell, but I don't remember. Well,

49:07  
he dragged me out of bed. My mom was going, Daryl. Daryl, because he was just he was mad, like he woke up. His default setting was anger, yeah, and I think it was probably based loosely on love. Let's just go with that. We're going. So he dragged me out there. It was a 1964 Corvair that was my first car, and he taught me where to put the jack, like, got that out of the this was back in the day when there was hubcaps. So you kids wouldn't know what that is, because everyone's got rims now there's just, like, these hot rims, yeah, and that's why the spare tire always kind of looks like hell because it's on a crappy rim. It's not on an expensive rim, like the black allergy. They were really plain, generic rims that the tires went on and then you had a hubcap that covered the god awful, ugly rim. That's what you had. And my dad taught me that where to put the jack to jack it up. Take. The lug nuts off, put the lug nuts in the goddamn hub cap, so you don't god damn lose them in the goddamn ditch, you know. And that made sense. Turn the hubcap upside down, put the lug nuts in there, and, you know, put your tire on. And sure enough, three weeks after, we had this very horrible Saturday morning of him teaching me how to do it, and I'm glad he did. Three weeks later, me and my friend Teresa are coming home from a brag creature. Brad Creek dance on a gravel road, pitch black, a few stars in the sky, and I have a flat tire, and I knew what to do. I changed my tire.

50:31  
Oh, my god, that's amazing. How old were you when you learned how to do this? 16?

50:35  
I was 16, and he wouldn't let me drive. He wouldn't let me drive unless I knew how to change a tire back in the day, like I'm really dating myself, but this is like 45 years ago. I also had to learn how to change the oil in my car. But tires in particular, you know, it's not something you want to worry about.

50:51  
No, no, you don't want to worry about tires.

50:55  
And so it's a really good thing that we know some people

50:59  
I'm worried right now, because I think, I think bad things happened in three okay, you know, I got a new car in May, so I'm just approaching the six month mark. This is okay,

51:11  
but you're under warranty, yeah, and you've got your winter tires on.

51:16  
But listen, I wasn't under a tire warranty. That's like an extra that you you would pay for, right? Like they have all these packages they try to get you for

51:26  
windshield, yeah, chips, chips.

51:30  
So my second day having the car, I got a flat tire. Got a fucking flat tire the second fucking day. So I drive in, and it was actually quite a it was like a Jan Arden entrance, because all the people at my dealership where I bought the car were having a meeting. There was a cake I don't know, maybe someone was going on maternity leave or something. And I roll in there and they're like, why are you back here today? Like, everyone's like, oh god, she's back, right? Like, what happened? Well, that's car back. That tire was not covered, and like to have to spend an extra 400 and whatever dollars on top of buying the new car that week was not something that I was excited about. So that's thing number one. Thing number two, at the cottage, there's a home being built next to ours, a new cottage. It's a mansion. It's been like a renovation site all summer. And you know, a few weeks ago, when I pulled up in the driveway, everything was fine, but when I pulled out the exact same angle to leave, there was suddenly this, like steel rod separating part of what they were doing with the Renos. And I have a little scrape at the bottom of my car now, because I didn't know the rod was there, and I just backed out straight the same way I came in. So I had to order the little paint brush also. So that's two things. What's next? I'm scared.

52:48  
I don't feel like that's true, that bad things come in threes. I have never experienced that in my life. I've never had three bad things happen to me in a row. I really haven't. I mean, if that's a thing, I'm not aware of it. But

53:01  
luckily, we do have a tire sponsor. Just if any of our we

53:05  
have a tire sponsor, we do. I'm gonna do a jingle. You're gonna make a jingle for tire, fountain tires, all you need. I don't know you guys, that's free. I'm giving that to you for free. And here's the other choice. They have, fountain tire, fountain tire, fountain tire. It's for you. Okay, that's also free. So you guys can pick which one you want.

53:34  
Well, they do have a deal for our listeners, so let's make sure we let everyone know right now. Up until December 14, you can save 225 bucks, $225 folks on a set of four tires. That includes Goodyear, which is a very popular brand, plus, you can save 50 bucks on any service of $150

53:55  
that's a good deal. That's like one quarter. Fountain tire, fountain tire, fountain tire. Oh, I like that one. We'll see if they'll use it. Any final thoughts, girls, before I say, What

54:07  
do you want to talk about on Patreon, which is where we're going to direct people for a lighter conversation. We're

54:12  
going to talk about your ADHD drugs and, yeah, and we're going to talk about Caitlin's uh, first Halloween with her two year old son. So we're going to lighten things up. Can

54:21  
we, like, really, we will be talking about what I wrote a note in my phone. Just said the miracle of Halloween. Okay, so I just, that's what we're gonna talk about. Because I was, like, I was emotional at how, right?

54:32  
Well, then let's leave it. Come and join us on the other side of this. You've been listening to the Jan Arden podcast and show Patreon listeners, come and see us for something positive today. Tell your friends we appreciate Patreon so much. It helps us make this podcast week after week, leave us a review. Give us five stars. It helps people find the podcast. You, as always, can listen to us on all your favorite streaming platforms, and we sure appreciate you. Dan Riskin, we just want to let you know how. Far reaching our little show is we spoke to him, he's going to be on next week. And he said, Oh, somebody came up to me at an event I did, and they just said how much they love the Jan Arden show and listening to our show. So that's pretty cool. He said he was very chuffed about that. You don't want to miss that show next week too. It's very interesting. So anyway, thank you so much. We'll see on Patreon. Thanks for your support. Be good to yourselves. Forgive me for ranting and raving. I think Caitlin and Sarah were the voices of reason today. I was just a mad old bird. I

55:30  
just wasn't allowed to have their feelings about this and work through them at their I feel

55:33  
better. I feel better. You guys have talked me down. I feel better like you probably

55:37  
represent a massive percentage of people who listen who were like, Yeah, damn right, Jan, yeah, and leave us a voice note with how you're feeling. We're here for you.

55:44  
Yeah, leave us a voice please. Do leave us a voice note. We have no voice notes to play for you this week. Sorry, and they wouldn't fit in with this little show right now. We wouldn't want your voice note to be wasted. We'll

55:55  
be back next week.

55:56  
Next week. Yes. Okay, guys, see you next time to meet you.

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