Pride Proud, A Little Swimmers Surprise & Jann's Ride-On Mower

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Hey, ho. It's Jenny. Oh, welcome to the Jann Arden Podcast. I'm here with Sarah Burke, who is always runs the board and produces and does stuff. And our executive producer, Caitlin green. Caitlin and I have been working together. We are at four years. Caitlin, I just wanted to remind you, that's crazy. It was around this time of year, you and I've been working together for four years. That's wild. To me. It might even be a little bit more than four years, Caitlin and I started down this path. Some of you might want to harken back to the business of life. I was doing a podcast with Arlene Dickinson and it was a great podcast, we had so much fun. Yeah. And as life goes, I mean, you can only imagine how busy Arlene is and how busy Caitlin is and how busy I was. But we had a great time doing that podcast and I have had some questions about, you know, where's that going? And Arlene and I keep trying to frickin get together for dinner to catch up. And you can still see her on Dragon's Den, and doing books and doing deals and all the great stuff that Arlene does. So yeah, Caitlin, and I started there. That's where we met wild. But we knew each other from before that. And I'm saying this, because I've had so many people ask me, where you and I started from and where we knew each other from our origin story, our origin story, and you would know probably a little bit more than me because your memory is younger and better. But I came into the chair morning show a lot when you were there. Yeah.

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Yes, you did. You would come on. And it was you know, because you were you were in the building. You were promoting new projects you had and you have a great friendship with Marilyn. Yeah. Immediately, Jan just presented herself as someone who was not only artistically talented, but who has a great personality, someone who you want to listen to who you're going to laugh at. So you did radio appearances better than just about anybody. And I think and you when you were on the social and then you had your own TV show. And so the now former executives at Bell, but the people who were there at the time, had a real eye for that stuff. And we're like, let's get you a podcast. Let's get you more places. Because you're very good at this.

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Well, no, it's it's so tough to people, isn't it? And I, I do enjoy a podcast. I've been listening to a new podcast to me, they've been on the air for a couple years to fucking zany women from Oklahoma. And it's oh my god, I love that podcast love pumps and Jennifer pumps. And they have taken on the patriots of America they have taken on and but the one thing I wanted to touch on is they have a similar problem to us with right wing kind of conservative ideologies, whether it's the Christian extreme political, right, the the freedom convoy, people, the anti vaxxers. I mean, I love hearing them speak to kind of the same group of people that we deal with up here, we should have them on. I don't know if they do other people's podcasts, but I'm going to ask they were talking about the flag. And we also share a similar quandary with our Canadian flag with the red maple leaf and, and it's been, you know, flown upside down and the convoy antivax people hijacked the Canadian flag. And I can't even look at it now without a certain amount of sorrow, a little bit of disdain, some disappointment. And these ladies were talking about a podcast that they did in May about taking back their flag that they wanted to be able to fly their flag and I think pumps and Jennifer like, I'm not flying that fucking flag. I'm not putting that up. I don't know what people are gonna think of me, I'm flying the gay flag, I'm flying the pride flag. Um, but they were, they really do make me laugh.

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They're funny together. They just have a great friendship. You know? What's funny, though, is that like, so they are podcast, I became familiar with them through social, and it was their social clips and the trajectory and the reach of their social presence that introduced me to them for the first time. And I forgot I think they were talking about reality TV. And so like, that's kind of my like, Lane. And I was like, What are they talking about? And they were talking about, like drama on a reality TV show and some pop culture stuff. And I just the way they said stuff was so funny, and just very don't care. It is hilarious. It's hilarious. And they're just, yeah, there are comedians in your everyday life that you know, and I think that is what I love about podcasting and, and radio. When it's done well, is that you? You feel like they're your friend. You feel like they're your funny friend that you just love listening to. And that oh my god, that's the best. I always have podcasts in and I just I feel like a free But I don't care because I have been on my air pods or and I just told my husband I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna go hang out with my friends because I like my friends. It's really

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great. So if you guys are looking for a really acerbic, sardonic, pleasantly spiteful podcast that is spiteful in all the right directions

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a great accent. I've had it.

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We can link it in the show notes. We'll put it in definitely

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listen to these women and the fact that they're older. They're not as old as I am. I think they would be in their 50s Safe to say, I don't think they're in their 60s because they look damn fine. They look great.

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Should we fly the pride flag for a moment? Yeah,

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I mean, it has been Pride Month in Calgary i i believe it's their week of festivities is coming up. The Pride Parade and things like that

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this episode will come out on Stonewall day actually know that. Oh

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my gosh, you're right. So Marsha P Johnson

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is at like the center of the Stonewall Riots if you're not familiar, tell us a bit about it. Pride really started as protest. Right? It became sparkles and celebration, and those things are still great. But you know, it began as protest and at the center of it Marsha P. Johnson. She was a black gay liberation activist, self identified drag queen, and like known for being outspoken about gay rights. And she was one of the prominent figures in the Stonewall uprising that was in 1969.

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If you don't want to be married to gay people, don't marry them,

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then don't do it. Guys, we really suggest that as your first course, your first line of defense.

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Yeah. If you don't want to date a gay marriage, don't marry a gay person. So how much simpler? Can we lay it out for these straight people?

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You damn straight? Straight people?

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In the other, you know, podcasters that you're talking about? Right? Like, I'm sure they go through that topic too, of like, why do people care so much about who you love, right? Like,

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I will never, for the life of me. They always talk about indoctrination. They're just, they're, you know, getting them in these things at school, and they're teaching all about that. And, you know, I'm just like that they're actually really not like they just the kids are so savvy though. I have so much faith in young people. I have so many great stories of friends that do have kids in junior high and senior high. And their kids are just they've got friends that are like considered trans are they have they them pronouns? They deal with it without blinking an eye. You know, even if the teachers are struggling, you know, with the the bullshit put on their plates, because I think a lot of teachers are reluctant to go down that road. They just want to teach their students the information. Sure. They don't want to politicize them or weaponize kids against each other. They just want to teach so anyway, yeah, it's like leave

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math out of this. Like, truly leave us alone. That's what I feel like. I'm like, Okay, so we're heading into, like, elections and all this stuff. I'm like, where is the politician who's running on the platform of like, leave us alone on all fronts. Like, I just want to be left alone. But I am going out for pride. I'm going out on Sunday, two Sundays, like my day, and I get to go out with all my friends and there's an epic pride party that happens. And then we go to this amazing, the 519 like the organization on church here in Toronto. They do like a big beer garden on Church Street. So I'll go so

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gay or beer garden. It's gay, are we going to get here beer garden, but

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I think that the funny thing to me is like I go on Sunday, so it's the last day of pride in terms of the street festivities here in Toronto long church. And so I tell everybody, I will stay with you until I have to go pee and then I must leave because those porta potties have been baking for three days in the sun. And I braved them when I was younger,

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but girl

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to party, I am in a sea of thriving people in harnesses. There is no squat popping, okay, I am like P funnels. There are fans like, I could get a P funnel and I'm sure like maybe some people would like be into it. Yeah, pop one of those out. But like, I just feel I need I require a peaceful moment

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to go to the bathroom and then you just might not come back.

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So I just asked what I that's what I tell everyone. I'm going to leave and then here's

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a story for you. This has nothing to do with gay pride, but it does have something to do with peace. So I'm calling I'm on my ride on more.

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Oh my god last week,

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maybe that is gay. Maybe that maybe this is a gay story. So I'm on my ride on more. And I'm you know, I'm looking up at the clouds. My friend had said to me if you're going to do it, you better do it now because it's supposed to thunderstorm yada yada yada in your wonder bra jostling. So I am flying out there. I'm in my Wonder bra my my boobs are hunkered down for the terrain that is my yard. Anyway, I don't know why I didn't go to the bathroom before I got on there. But I was panicking. I'm like I can't stop the track. Dirt and, you know, shut it off and go into the house and go to the bathroom. I think you guys know where this is going. So I live nowhere that no one could see me my neighbors are far far away. So I left the tractor idling, and then I jumped off and just yarded my shorts down and just peed in the trees. And I had an ant going up my leg so I'm trying to swat at that. So now I'm fast. So now I've peed on my slider my foot. Because I the ant scared me like I'm like, I do not want that ant to make it to my vagina like I need to. So I'm moving trying to sweat it out of the way and I'm still paying and I hit my slider. So I'm kind of like trying to wipe that off in the ground like it really went sideways very quickly. And then as I look up and notice the tractor idling it is slowly moving forward. It's not the greatest tractor in the world. The blades aren't on but the tractor is moving away from me so I had to get my my shorts up you know rapidly flick the ants plural now that are crawling up my leg. And I'm like freaking out their little bastards those and this

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is you're doing though because you won't kill them.

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I did. I did have an exterminator come Okay, the ones around my gate. I did. I said a prayer and I felt bad about it. And then anyways, I hopped back on the tractor. And I did have a laugh to myself. I had my cap on and my T shirt my Wonder bra sorry, wonder bra. This is probably nowhere in your wheelhouse of how you want to tout your

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product diverse. There for everyone. There for everyone.

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So yeah, and then I just finished mowing the lawn and immediately showered and put everything in the shower. And I put my sliders in the washing machine as well. Sarah's not having a good time listening to the story. I'm

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loving it. I'm loving it. But

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there you have it. So that's all the time we have for today. So Janet,

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her core is a storyteller and a lumberjack and a lumberjack that painted a very visceral picture of being peed on by yourself and I was peed on this week to Oh,

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can we just back up a bit here? I didn't pee on anything but my shoe up on Caitlin green. Okay, peeing on yourself is a bit of a stretch fold. I was trying to maneuver from the end. And if anyone knows when you're in squat position, you can't stop the stream of pee. We've either gained listeners or lost listeners. I don't know what just happened. My

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son peed on me because I learned the hard way.

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See there's a fountain when it comes to your son. So that makes more sense. So this was

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more of this was a covert peeing on moment where we were at the splash pad. And my SATs are good one splash. Yeah, we were at the splash pad near us. And he's running around and I put them in a swim diaper. Because I figure like he's getting wet. So

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that's what I use in the hot tub. Yeah, the little swimmers Nice. Okay,

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so what I didn't know about little swimmers and I guess I feel some sort of mom 101 course along the way, is that little swimmers, children's swim diapers are only to physically catch and hold poop. They do not do anything for water. Nothing. Zero. absorbance don't they fill with water? No, they don't. They're designed to literally be a waterproof poop catcher. That's it. So when you see a kid in the pool if that kids pee, and guess what? It's a pee party. If you get into a pool with a bunch of kids and their little swimmers cleared pee is just going everywhere. Because he sat on me in this little swimmer. And he just peed all over me. I mean, I was soaked. He was sitting in my lap having a snack and I was like, why is he so wet? He hasn't been in that much water. We've just been like running through the splash pad. And then I learned from my other mom friends that they are not absorbent, these diapers. So I just want everyone to know that there needs to be like a public awareness campaign about the fact that if you go to a public pool, and you see a bunch of kids and they're swimming around, their pee is not being absorbed by those diapers. It's just to prevent poop.

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And don't tell anyone I pop a squat on the golf course that's the only thing I can contribute here you do if I need to.

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So you'll go into the trees. Yeah, if I need to

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and there's not like a porta potty or bathroom for a couple holes then I gotta go I gotta go just check for

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ticks. That's all I have no problems at all. I have pulled my car over open the door. Like I've I've peed in the ditch on Deerfoot trail. So anyone in Calgary that knows Deerfoot trail, it was it was 25 years ago, I was dropping Terry Clark off at the airport. We had been up partying and I got her to the airport barely Terry I don't know if you remember this or not but I managed to get you there just in the nick of time but I had to go to the bathroom so bad and as I'm driving back so I literally pulled off somehow on the on the ditch and it was maybe like 530 in the morning so just starting to get busy. And it was dark so it was kind of fall winter ish and I did I opened the door my passenger door got in behind it and peed in the debt. I couldn't take it I could not take one more minute of holding my pee I you know I've said to myself so many times over the years don't ever put yourself in a situation where you have to go to the bathroom they Be prepared when you see a bathroom. So now like in Edinburgh every time even if I didn't have to go, I'd say to the girls, I'm gonna pop into this coffee shop. I'm gonna buy a frickin coffee. I'm gonna spend four euros, four pounds, sorry. And I'm gonna have a four pound, not poo because that would be deceiving. It's not a four pound poo. It's a four pound P. And anyway, and I'm so glad that I did. I did not not once in that trip that I get caught out walking for miles, having to go to the bathroom because that will ruin your day. This is a public service announcement to the people listening to this podcast. Repetitive pee measures are better than pee measures. And I'm sorry you got peed on so what did you do now? You've got a lap. Philippi Did you just go on the water?

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No, I just like we had to like wrap up our time at the park. He was pretty well done anyways. And then honestly, like a baby pee is like nothing. It's just like, like a walk of shame home. No, I don't care. It was more of a stride of pride. I was like, I've been peed on by my own son who's adorable. And I view his pee to be adorable. So I don't really care. And by the time I got home, I was pretty well dry. So and you know what it was? I was wearing black technical fabric Lulu lemons, so you couldn't really see it. You could see a bit of my T shirt being wet. So it wasn't like it wasn't too embarrassing. But um, little kids pee like, I don't know, it's kind of know what?

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embarrassment, let's just cut out the embarrassment. It doesn't matter. We're all people will do stuff. We are just going to take a real quick break. We're going to be right back. Don't go away. You're listening to the Jann Arden podcast.

Now getting back to pride before we move on, because I have a few questions to ask you, Caitlyn. Here at the Jann Arden podcast, we support the LGBTQ plus community and to spirit community, we support this community to the ends of the earth and back. And we do not waver from that. And if you don't like that, you don't need to listen to us. But we are here to support our community. And we all have friends, you know that our colleagues? Yeah, they're, you know, people are people. And I hope you will change your way of thinking if you are listening to this. And you're sitting on that fence where you just turn your nose up or think that it's wrong, or think that God's gonna be involved. Trust me when I tell you, God is no more involved in gay people than He is in a child getting cancer. So let's please, God is not handing out punishment and reward because that just makes absolutely no sense. I

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also feel like God's saying, like I am to politicians, leave me alone. Leave me up this. Yeah, you're gonna live your

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life and do your thing. Yeah, I have a pride flag that flaps away on my deck. It ain't the Canadian flag, because until we can, you know, straighten that mess out and not feel if I were to have a Canadian flag in my yard? What would that indicate? To everyone in my neighborhood, especially in Alberta? They'd say, Oh, she's one of us. Yeah, she's one of them. She wants some freedom. And she hasn't had it. That's what it says to me. I can't do it anymore. I just

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I still see some Canadian flags. I see them in cottage country a lot actually, like flags are more common because you have like, just use more land.

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It's good. But I for me in Alberta, sorry. I can't do it. I do feel like it's fly. It's been

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like, yeah, it's been a hijack question.

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Growing up in Alberta. Like I mean, I feel like we have covered many stories about Alberta now. But growing up in Alberta was a welcoming, you know,

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it wasn't spoken about as much when I was like in Junior High in high school, but we had gay kids in high school that were quite out. Now keep in mind, we there was 40 Kids 40 to say in my class. Maybe in the whole high school, there's 8090 Kids, that would have been 7879 Kind of in there. But I think because I've always been an artist and in an artistic community. My view from where I stood in my life was always very open. very progressive. Very liberal. I didn't I never ran into any stuff. That was yeah, I just didn't,

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it just feels more it feels like more. It feels more extreme everywhere right now like and then you kind of lose the plot of like, what connects us all and the same things that we all want in our life? I

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feel like going backwards, don't you think? Caitlyn? Yeah, last year. So with trans rights, and it's like gone

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backwards. But also I'm like, is it worse? Like I'm like, I don't even know if it's fair to say that it's reflective of like, a time that that I like remember, but I don't know, maybe I am looking at things, you know, through a different lens. Because I don't remember what it was like to be, you know, to live through some things like the you know, like the Stonewall riots and all that stuff. Like I saw I wasn't there. So it's hard to say but, I mean, I haven't what really struck me Sorry. Yeah. You know, like, Well, my cousin. I remember he lives in a small town here in Ontario. And he took out a full page ad in his small town newspaper to say I'm gay, because he wasn't finding that he was being necessarily although I shouldn't that says I shouldn't speak for him, but I think that the primary reason he was too and this was because he felt like his identifying as gay was being dismissed, not so much, you know, openly discriminated against, but kind of like not necessarily taken seriously. And he's like the bravest out and proud like political activist like he's just so he's so impressive in that way. And he's always known himself. And like, and my great uncle was a drag performer on the London stage one of the first ones way back in the day. And he actually served as a drag performer in the Canadian Arena in the UK army during World War Two,

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whoa, to entertain the troops. Yes.

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And I forget the name it was I think it was called Tin Cup follies or something to that effect, and it was him and a bunch of other love of performers. And so you know, there is this amazing history of obviously, you know, drag performances and and gay rights. I mean, for crying out loud was in the army. Where were you going to say, Sarah? Oh, okay.

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So this like, just sort of stuck with me. So I'm working with some new creators on the network. They have a new podcast that actually launches on the day that our podcast episode comes out called late mediate. And it's about growing up in Calgary actually, when there wasn't terms like non binary. So they're exploring the queer experience then versus now this

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is all new to all of us the non binary, I thought it was a mathematical term, a binary number, you may

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actually know one of the host Bronwyn parks. I think they have designed some of your artwork. For a&m. Yeah, Bronwyn Yeah, so Bronwyn is one of the hosts. So Bronwyn and Eleanor, they're like going back to 1988. And this specific time around like, you know, Stanley Cup Olympics, like so many things happening in Calgary, around that time. And like Bronwyn comes from an experience at home where family was very supportive of all this stuff, uncle was out, like pride in Toronto, and then Eleonore did not have the same experience. And they're basically exploring how supporting each other at that time when they were too afraid to talk about it could have, you know, paved a different path. But what struck me what we were working on the show notes, and I was like, Oh, I noticed like the people you're interviewing, you're not putting their you know, their full names like we should grab, you know, a proper bio from this people. And the response was protecting them. Oh, because there's so much hate in these communities online still, which we sort of touched on, and I really struggle.

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Oh, people come on, just stop with all this hatred. Right. It's just you know what, it's getting boring. It's you guys are boring, boring, boring. Your hatred, your vitriol, your disgusting viewpoints. You think these people are the ones that are ruining society? You're fucking ruining society, your hatred, your fucking bullshit. Your viewpoints are ruining the world.

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So we're just fired jana na Nananana?

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No, seriously, we're not the assholes. You're the assholes.

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Well, I also feel a little bit like I see a lot of commentary around, you know, everyone wanting to have their own freedom. Like that's been a big word that I think gets co opted by different groups. And so I just, I feel like don't you yourself, want to be left alone? Many times, like from these people, I'm like you yourself would like to be left alone. So just leave other people.

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It would be like someone commenting on a haircut constantly. You get your hair cut. Now you have people weighing in all day fucking long. You know, your haircuts ruining the community, you know, your hair, you're really affecting kids. My daughter can't see a bowl cut. I'm

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like, you want to be left alone. You're saying you're like, I don't want to keep hearing about this. I'm like you're exposing yourself to it. Number one, you have failed to recognize the role that social media plays in constantly feeding you stuff that's designed to make you upset. So when you find yourself on social media constantly getting upset, and you don't know how to turn off the faucet to your own anger by just changing your algorithm or disengaging. Like they've got you. I feel like saying that. They got you bro. They caught you. They caught you in this web of making you perpetually upset at other people who like you just want to be left alone. So leave people alone. They will leave you alone and disengage on social media and reengage with your day to day life. Because honestly it is like harkening in this new era of people being poorly socialized and mentally unwell and

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stupid and stupid. I mean,

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I'm like people Caitlin's writing a thesis over

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like people have outlived let's be fair, people have always been pretty gangster. I'm like stupid in many ways. There's a lot of stupid it is new that people are very like loudly upset all the time and that they they're addicted to that stress hit that they get they're addicted to that negative feeling that they

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get but they show fine there they sure find their like minded people. They sure track their fellow haters. What a thing to attract. What a thing to go out on a social social. Imagine going onto social media to find people that hate stuff with You imagine the energy that that pulls into your life and another hobby let's go out into the world I'm gonna find people that hate dislike. I'm sorry, but that's just how I feel right now.

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Jan's in a place of twang.

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Yeah, it just is. It's so pathetic. You got to push back.

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I just view things like a very long view. Like that's how I kind of just, that's my purview of stuff. And so I just don't I really don't get it. Because when I see so many people have empathy. Well, I'm like, you vote for a different person than maybe this person votes for like blue tie red tie like to it's okay, who gives my who gives a shit? But I also like guys, like, we all want to like love our families. We all want to be upwardly mobile in life. Well, I hope so. I guess we all want to eat food. We all want to enjoy our day. We all want

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to go to movies. We want to go sit by a river and look at the stars and we want to have health. Yes, we just we just want to live our lives. unencumbered by judgment. You were gonna say some Sarah we're all we're all very excited today, folks. We got riled up about

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pride. We did. We did we love it pride. We have a lot of it over here. Yeah, we

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do. So last Friday, are we are we changing topics now? Well,

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a little bit but like still staying with our friend Naheed Nenshi who had such a terrible cold when he was on the show

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and still did it still came into the apparent did it Trooper honestly. But

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yeah, gotta elected to be the head of the NDP party by

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landslide. Great news.

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I'm not not on

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it was a landslide. You know, it was a landslide,

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not the landslide I was expecting. Next time we're charging for tickets.

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John, you know, to have 63,000 some odd votes for the leadership of the party. It not only did it set a record, but the Alberta NDP is the largest opposition party in Canada, it is officially of Scott, so many members, they went from having 13,000 members when the leadership races started. And this has a lot to do with Mr. Nenshi, to over 85,000 paid memberships. So those memberships are $10 apiece, so not only did they raise almost a million dollars for the NDP party to be used, you know, in really, really creative ways to, you know, push the whole idea of fairness, equality, gender equality, just a one a one for all kind of a, an attitude, not just some people. And I think that's what the conservatives have done in Alberta, if you are in the oil business, and if you are considered really religious, and if you are against, you know, trans people having rights, and if you are against an education that's, you know, inclusive and a broad spectrum of the things that we're going to learn you should see the kind of agenda they try and cram down the throats of people in the education system. It's so disgusting. What the Daniel Smith government has done in Alberta, it's just pathetic. But anyway, he is a shining light. He's a very intelligent, gifted orator person, his speech was yeah, very, it was so inspiring to listen to.

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And I thought that, you know, it was interesting to learn so much more about him when we were doing research for his appearance. And I knew that he was a very highly regarded and long serving mayor for Calgary. But then when I learned that he would intentionally wear purple to represent a combination of blue and red because he subscribes to kind of big tent politics, which is like everyone is invited in. And he was always nonpartisan, nonpartisan, which is so important. And also to say, like, you know, I'm about ideas, and I'm about solutions. Instead of saying, I'm going to go extreme one way or the other, or like, I once I join one party, I can't wrap my head around anything that the other one is saying, which I think has eroded our discourse in general. So I was really I didn't know much about him, but I was I was super impressed with him. And I've interviewed, I was and I've interviewed some I've had the good fortune to interview some people in politics before. And I wasn't always so impressed. And he was like, he was good. We

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might as well call out Trudeau, we're waiting for your appearance. coming on the show. We've been working out dates and Mr. Trudeau get

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me we'll get him. I think Prime Minister Trudeau is really his people are really making a concerted effort to to make an appearance on our show, and they really haven't given us a lot of rules, you know, laying out our questions for the Prime Minister. So I think it's going to be done very fairly.

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Well keep you posted when it's coming.

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I would I would talk to any politician that wanted to come on the show. They'd be they would be treated the same as we would treat anybody else on the show. Except if Bette Midler was on the show. We would treat her better.

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We would be really nice to her

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We would be super nice dinner. So

listen, this is a pride proud show. And oh my god, we are a people proud show. And we want to see, you know, women's rights continue forward. There's just so many things all rolled away, right? Yeah. And women's rights and gay rights are our human rights and but everyone deserves to have that. Anyhow, moving on. I really don't want to miss out on this story because there's a few things I want to speak about. Caitlyn brought us a few things. One of them being Taylor Swift's man, making an appearance at one of her shows in our top hat and a tux no doubt, and he picked her up and carried her around. And I have dreams of anybody picking me up and carrying me around, which I don't think is going to happen. Do you like that feeling? One of my favorite feelings of all times, and then I'm gonna let you answer this question. drivings weekends Mum and Dad. 789 10 years old. We went every weekend mum and dad loved the movies and the drive ins were cheap. They could take the kids we fell asleep. Dad carrying me in through the night air. Setting me into bed.

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As a parent melt my heart. I'm just gonna cry. That was it. That was so

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lovely. One of my most precious memories of my dad. Okay,

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I'm gonna guess also that Informatica that's so nice and visceral. Take it in.

31:26  
So yeah, so Travis Kelsey picked her up all five foot 10 of her she's not small. And but it was it was pretty sexy. I didn't obviously see the show but I did see the clips and and the crowd went bananas. Okay.

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I didn't like it.

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i You thought it was like flashy of the relationship. Is that your vibe? I

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thought it was like it was okay. It was very like it was very

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sad. Your letters to Caitlin you heard me say I loved it.

31:57  
I'm no this is not like an I like them being together. I think they're a great couple. I love when people are happy together. I'm all good with that. It just, he was like wearing a top hat. And he was like one of her backup dancers. I thought it was a bit cringy I just there was like Caitlin. I'm not a PDA like person. And when

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he learned a dance, he's a foot fucking ballplayer.

32:20  
Nobody didn't like it. I was just, I just thought I just didn't. It wasn't for me. It was very, it felt like a bit cloying. And I just the the, the like, media critic of me came out and I just thought, I'm all for him when you show him like standing off to the side of the stage. And he's singing and he's loving it. But when he has now part of the show in a top hat, I just felt we had jumped the shark. We had jumped to me jump the shark on their relationship. And it was a little too. Also it's like, sometimes you want to you know,

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you want to kill me?

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Do you want to feel comfortable with them being like together and I know that her other relationships, they really kept her a secret and I think that was a problem for her. But I just I don't know, there's a curse to it all. There is something about it that makes

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what happens after Yes, I like I'm like plenty

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of conium what happens after you knuckleheads what happens after he came and did a show with her? They probably had great sex afterwards later that night, and if they had

33:23  
pizza, no, it's not about the next 24 hours. It's about the next few years. It's just that when you become part of this public storyline, he's Yoko Ono. He's cool. He also he also wants to get into show business. So again, media critic

33:39  
says x is going to be its own demise the people will decide there

33:43  
is a sidebar to this story. Oh my god. Did you guys see the Dave did you see the Dave Grohl Foo Fighters? Yeah, I did. So quick summary. Dave Grohl went on stage said something about like, Oh, this is the errors tour versus the eras tour, and then made a joke about but we all

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sing that they did live music and dailies band is all live. It's all live music.

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Exactly. So Taylor like rebutted in her next show being like, Excuse me, we're all live on the stage my dude and that kind of made me sad about Dave Grohl who I normally love. I was like, Come on, dude. Thoughts Caitlin.

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I think his daughter had previously made some public comments about Taylor Swift private jet and her carbon footprint. So now I'm like, is this a case where is this a case where like, the daughter has like activated something for her dad and then he miss Caitlin has the dossier on so I don't but I don't know if that's like fully formed what it is. But Dave Grohl seems like a very normally just kind of like a very like, chill Oasis guy and rock and roll. He rolls with it like a chill guy. And I just it was it was a weird also cringe moment for me where I was kind of like, well, it was a little bit like old man yells at Cloud vibe for him, which I don't think it was really it was a little like that which I just feel that he's above it or should be above it. It's

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a little jealous jealousy.

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I think that's what it is a

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little bit jealousy. But you know, she in her rebuttal, she's like, Listen, I'm playing another sold out 90,000 person show here for three hours, three and a half hours of this particular show and she said, I just want you to know my band really deserves this. They're playing live for you for three and a half hours and and the crowd went wild. Let's let's as artists, let's just decide something right now support each other. That whole idea of success being a ladder. There's so many 1000s and 1000s of different kinds of bands out there that are doing it on different levels. Obviously, Taylor Swift is at a level to which we have not seen in our lifetime. If you were alive for The Beatles, I'm sure you did experience a very similar, the craze of the Beatles where there was 110,000 people sometimes gathered to see them.

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Yeah, they couldn't even hear their own music back in their headsets.

35:55  
It was one of the reasons the Beatles stopped doing it. They saw no point in going and singing live they wanted their harmonies to be heard they wanted their intricate musicians. Sure anyway, but

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I just I agree with you because it's like a guy I'm going to see to be fair be nice. We'll miss fried like I'm going to see an artist who's like far more like indie than anything else curve while I knew I knew you were going Yeah, so he's my he's like really my like one of my favorites like him and like Tame Impala on my like rocker in the side. That's where I lean. But I also love Celine Dion and Rihanna more than anything. So again, it's this notion that you can like

36:29  
a lot of difference, do you music is for everybody. So why do you think he'd say something like that? Caitlin? I don't know. It sounds petty.

36:36  
It sounds it just sounds like it sounds very unwelcome. So

36:39  
you can only like our kind of stuff. You can only like this and that stuff isn't legitimate. It comes from jealousy, envy. And you know, he's lived an entitled privileged life. He's gone. You know, the Nirvana legacy. He has written the that fucking pony for many, many years. And it has a lot to do with access of foo fighters as well. I don't think Kurt Cobain would have said anything like that. I really don't. I think Kurt Cobain would have said, Oh, no shade is being thrown. I think Kurt would have been like a cool, that would have been Yeah,

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and I don't even know that necessarily. Like I would have anticipated even five years ago Dave Grohl would have said that. I think he will probably not be happy with having said that in the end, but it's just stupid.

37:22  
But yeah, that what she's done for the music industry is you know, without anything short of epic. Oh, man. It's just been so on

37:31  
the tip of music because we've been talking we've been looking at our summer playlist. I listen to it all the time. Now I get to playlists. I love my

37:38  
summer playlists, Jan's summer jams 2024. If you're looking on Spotify, I've had few people saying, Oh, I'm getting another playlist or I'm getting the Biddle mores playlist. Our show notes, the link but it's easy. Jan's summer jams 2024. So yeah, there's a little

37:55  
there's a little watermelon emoji. And now it's been saved 267 times. Yeah, it's good. And it's not to be confused with our other former I heart playlists. This is the only one that one's still good, but it's not this year. And I am just I really am loving going through it and just you can click on it start to finish and it takes you on a bit of a musical journey. Does it ever awful.

38:18  
It needs a shuffle like a shuffle? Okay. Yeah. Because like, yeah, the weaving in and out sometimes like, you know, if I was on Kacey Musgraves, high when I was adding songs, then like, they're kind of close together. So do a shuffle. Okay, okay. No, it's

38:31  
great. I'll have Sarah play some of the voice notes that we've received. I've been saying voicemail, but screw me up the sidewalk. It's not the right thing to say voice notes. And we've got some cute ones about moondance Van Morrison.

38:50  
I love this from Miranda.

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Yeah, Miranda. We're gonna we're gonna play your note Miranda, but yeah, Moon dance is great tune. Hey,

38:56  
Jan, its Miranda from Palmer rapids, Ontario. I just want to tell you guys that I love your podcast. I listen to it weekly. I also want to add to the summer playlist, Van Morrison Moon dance. It makes me think of my mother listening in the morning, I would wake up to that song in high school. And it was just so fun, even if it wasn't summer, but it's a great summer song. I also want to tell you, Jan, how much I love the Flipboard app. It's amazing. I use it every day. So thank you very much and I will keep listening and thank you. Okay.

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And then we had a note from Kim about finally finishing the middle Moors. Hi, Jan.

39:35  
It's Kim from Ottawa. I wanted to send a voice note my very first woman to let you know that I have just finished the middle Mars. I was a little skeptical when I first started reading talking cows you know, but I loved it. Love, love, loved it. Love the story. Love the characters. I loved everything about it. And I especially love the ending. I was cheering at the ending. And thank you for sticking with that and writing that book. And I sure hope you have another novel in you because it was awesome. Thanks so much for all you do for the podcast. I've been a longtime listener I am I tell everybody about podcasts. I love it. Ladies, keep it up. Thanks so much. So

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sweet.

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We had a question from a listener. Should we should we talk about the question? Sure. So cat sent in a voice note, we'll play it right here.

40:35  
Hi guys love the show. longtime listener first time caller, I just want to know your thoughts coming into summer with hotels. I think we've all noticed that the price of hotels is more than doubled. We're lucky to get a room for under $300. Oftentimes, it's closer to five. And I'm talking like roadside chains, not like a Fairmount property or anything basically

41:00  
asking our opinion on how do you go away the price of hotels? Oh my god, everything's so crazy. I mean, my immediate answer is, well, you split it with 12 people. That's the only way. You could still

41:15  
find rooms for 150 bucks out there. And I'll tell you right now, folks, you might be anti apps, travel apps. Trivago is great. hotel.com is great. Expedia is always great. If you're willing to shift your days are hot wires, great. These are legitimately good. Your resume. A lot of people say well, my reservation wasn't honored and they didn't have it and the app screwed up. That's not going to happen. Really. It's just not going to happen. Book your hotel rooms through there. You can get great deals last minute because they want the rooms filled

41:49  
and take it from Jan because you're you live on the road nonstop, non stop. You're the expert on that. Yeah, I still, again, I know that Airbnb has become an increasingly flawed service. However, you can still find some pretty solid deals on there. Especially when you factor in things like going to perhaps a smaller town or a region that only has a couple of hotels, which is so common in Canada, and a bed and breakfast scene to look at the bed and breakfast scene. And the great thing about you know, a place where you have your own kitchen is that you're going to save on things like having to wake up and immediately go out for breakfast is one of my biggest pet peeves or then spend a ton of money on room service or whatever is being offered at the hotel. So I would just point out that yes, you're gonna have to pay for some kind of like a you know, stupid Airbnb fee. But verbo and Airbnb still a really decent option loved

42:42  
mine loved the house that we had in North Barrick in Scotland, man. Yeah, it was. And I'll tell you right now it was $3,000 for the week. Canadian dollars. There was four of us do the math. Seven Nights. Wow. So what

42:58  
doing the math hit? Yeah,

42:59  
just just let people know. I did not

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graduate from math. I graduated from broadcasting divided by so it's 428 a night and divide by how many of you are there divided by four $107 A night.

43:12  
So I'm sorry that the value was crazy dishwasher coffee. You know, when we got there, they had a lovely loaf of bread from a local bakery. They had a jar of jam. They had some Irish or sorry, some Scottish butters. Sorry Scottish people. They had a little milk in the fridge. I mean, half of the stuff I can't eat because I won't eat that stuff. But How nice for my friends who are heathens who are still are heathens and haven't succumbed to the way of saving the world. But what a lovely frickin host we loved and

43:46  
I also want to add to like that when you opt for you know, a road trip potentially to save some money over flying somewhere like there are adjustments you can make. And I know that there is a travel and tourism tax credit in Ontario, so whatever you spend on travel within the province, oh they took it away.

44:05  
It was a pandemic thing.

44:06  
Oh dammit. Okay, well, I was like 200 bucks off anyways, there are still there are deals to be had if you go on these apps, consider a road trip. There are amazing places to drive. You can drive to the Eastern Townships in Quebec, one of my very favorite places to go you can find incredible deals there on it. Oh you

44:23  
money they show. It was Eastern Townships, oh you fucking the Quebec. You sing their praises all the

44:30  
time. I'm telling you, you can get these amazing design forward private homes for very affordable and a gas station and Quebec will have a little corner where you can buy some of the best wine you've ever had again, but get a bag and they just they know food and beverage. Yes, there's a language barrier. It's increasingly hostile towards angles. I'm sorry that hasn't been great in the last little while but whatever. certain places like Magog are going to have much more of an Anglo presence and the closer you get to the US, you can then zip across and go to like Vermont for day trips again very affordable. And my husband I'm going right now soon as we can't just go and look them in the Maritimes. You can find a great deal in the Maritimes this summer. I mean, hell go walk the trails in Cape Breton and

45:12  
go get some go get some chocolate covered potato chips and pee cows chocolate covered potato chips. Like they're the most ridiculous things.

45:19  
I just I want to say like so. Yeah, those moments I get it and I echo her sentiments. We adjusted our travel plans this summer. You are not alone. Many people are not leaving. They're doing staycations airline ticket prices have gone up. I'm doing a staycation

45:32  
this summer. Sarah's comment she's coming for the golf weekend to for my tournament. And we're going into hot tubs ready. We're all ready and just staying in the hot I don't

45:41  
like this might be the year where you're like Sorry. I'm gonna have to like use my friends for their guestroom like we have a guest suite in our condo building. And like it that's a good idea. We are booked. Yeah, lots of fun. We are booking people into the condos. 45 bucks a night. What is it? That this is Toronto? Janet is 120 Okay, listen,

45:57  
listen, mind. 75 Oh, so listen, I'm closer to like West End air. Like I would say I'm halfway between, like downtown and, and the airport. Pearson Yeah. Okay. But if someone's like, made a weekend to like, go to a show in Toronto, like, you know, Roger centers, Scotiabank arena or bud stage, then like, cool, I'm always like to my friends, please ask me I will always look to see if it's for sure for you because and you get the little, you have a little frame a little kitchenette? Like it might look outdated because my building is like you know, I think I think it was 2002 this building but whatever.

46:32  
We stayed at our friends it's a Toronto suite, which was so nice. And his building has like a gorgeous pool. He lives in Montreal, and we went there for f1 And so we were there for f1 weekend when hotel prices in Montreal become seven $800 Bay.

46:46  
I'm gonna go stay there for fu so just get

46:49  
out there that you've got friends in a condo in Toronto be like, Hey, can I see in your condo?

46:52  
It's a great idea. And most condos do have a guest suite. I am going to inquire to see if my condo has a good I've never I don't know if they do. But they could tell me just bunk out in the gym. I'll just use my FOB. And no one's going to check in there at night

47:06  
and I know you're building you for sure have a condo suite because it would it's a relatively new build and it's a high use. It's a great way for the condo corporation to make money. It's like a huge profit maker for them.

47:17  
Listen before we go, because we've been on here for almost 15 minutes and I gotta go mix a record. I want to hear from each of you. I want to ask you, what's one thing you heard saw, listened to took in this week? I just I want one thing from each of you very quickly, just like I'll give you 60 seconds each. Sarah I'm gonna start with you. What's one thing that just kind of made you happy made you something? Food something you drank something a friend you saw

47:46  
I golf and it was only my third timeout. It was not with a boy it was with one of my girlfriends who lives out of town we meet halfway to golf and that made my week perfect. That was on Sunday. It was beautiful sunshine.

47:58  
That's it that's all I needed to know that okay, I'm cut off golfing your cut off. That was beautiful. Caitlin, we're before we say goodbye.

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I only have 60 seconds when I'm fitting into and I'm in that shout out. I'm gonna shout out. Chapel Rohn who is like my new pop girl obsession. I love her song Good luck baby. It is on our summer playlist. It is fantastic. It is in my ears 24/7 A miss chapel chapel Rhone and this woman is Annie Lennox combined with like the lead singer of the EIA as Karen Oh her stage presence is phenomenal. She is camp she is performing like she's just doing it all and I'm obsessed with her. So it is the summer of Chapel Road and Charlie sex.

48:34  
Hot Tip for our listeners on all this front very quickly the gametime App if you're looking to go to a last minute concert on the night of go in the game time app all the prices go down the closer you get to the show even if it started 10 minutes in you can buy tickets right outside before you go in.

48:49  
Okay and then my my other recommendation for you would be to check out the new series called presumed innocent with Jake Gyllenhaal it stars Jake Gyllenhaal I got hooked. I'm only one episode in. I have a lot of time for Jake Gyllenhaal content and so I thought I'd check it out and I would let him touch me with his wiener. Guess let's just say it let's just It's pride. So let's just I would

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let him touch me with

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his wiener. Okay, and your turn Jen.

49:16  
I think seeing my friend Russell here in Toronto flying in staying in my little condo trackpad. I call it my trackpad. And we are at Universal we are mixing a record in a beautiful studio here and universal and it's not costing me anything because this is my record label and why would they charge me for something that I have to pay them to pay me back for? Did I say that right?

49:37  
We love universal and Russell broom who did our theme song? Yes.

49:40  
Yeah. But yeah, I think that and just eating it Jia last night. made my heart sore. Russell said he thinks it's one of the best meals he's ever had. We had prosciutto made out of melon.

49:54  
Like come on because normally is prosciutto and melon together.

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This was was spices and marinated and pickled and something other anyway, and as every week seeing you guys, so those are things that really cheer me on. I love doing the podcast. Just a few little recaps. I've had it podcast, it's going to be in the show notes. Get in there and support your queer friends. I'm gonna say queer that covers everybody, your trans friends, your non binary friends. Of course, June has been pride month but every month we need to be loud and proud for people that don't have family members cheering them on. It's really important. I mean, we're gonna have a better world if we support each other we just our and just just take it easy. Just stop hating people shut up. And don't just just don't do it. I don't hate you for hating people. I want you to know that. I don't hate you for hating people because I know you're misinformed. I know you've been indoctrinated by parents. Most people that are listening right now your religion isn't yours. It was given to you by parents and grandparents. So sit down and be thoughtful about what your belief system is. Because 98% of it ain't your shit. It's somebody else's that they've handed to you. Anyhow, Jan's jam summer playlist 2024 on Spotify,

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in the show notes Yeah.

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We love you subscribe to our podcast. We'll see you next week. We appreciate your listenership so much. Shout out to intact wonder bras coming on cove where we're counting on you Cove we're waiting on you Cove. You're supposed to like have some sodas that my golf tournament and I'm really counting on you. There's going to be some thirsty people there. And, and Vaseline Would it kill you to step up? It's the time of it's the time of moisturizing. Calgary so dry. Do you want me to lose another nipple? Do you? Do you want it just a crack off down as I'm walking down my gravel road? Come on Vaseline step up. Caitlin green. Happy Pride. Sarah Burke, women in media network, podcast, network, podcast, network people. The women in media Podcast Network.

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Thing. Stay right there show and tell what Jesus for everyone

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who's watching us on YouTube. Sarah is is leaving or sorry, not watching us on YouTube. Sarah has left her microphone stand. She's coming over. She's coming back something in a magazine.

52:15  
Okay. It's my show Intel. This is the Costco Connection magazine, where I'm talking about us in here. The

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Costco connection. What is this magazine?

52:25  
It's Sarah Burke. Let's

52:27  
go executive members. I got a bunch of notes this morning. It's the July issue. If you're at Costco you can get this they did a thing on podcasting and they interviewed me stuff and starting the network Shut the hell up. I love Costco we are Costco members here. You can also sponsor us honestly Costco ship sponsors. I

52:42  
have so much of their stuff. I love the the Kirkland almond milk is so good. And their kids vodka tonight your kids clothing. Oh my god, please Costco. We love you. I can't

52:53  
just go okay. I can't afford to keep buying walnuts from Safeway. Like I just can't. That's

52:58  
so wholesome. I love this wholesome Costco moment. Hey, folks,

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this could turn into a nine hour podcast. I have to go to work now. Caitlin green Sarah Burke. I'm Jan Arden. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to me do