We're Retiring the Word Retirement

jann (00:04.633)
Hello, welcome to the Jann Arden podcast. You're probably wondering why do I sound the way that I sound right now? Well, it's because I'm a day older, more mature, and this is just how 62 sounds. It sounds much more calm, it sounds more controlled, and anyway, here I am, 62, feeling very confident, very mature, and ready for whatever this year holds for me.

Welcome, I'm here today, I'm here today with Caitlin Green, Sarah Burke. No, hi guys, how you doing? We're taping, we're, what?

Sarah Burke (00:34.16)
Should we sing?

Caitlin Green (00:40.494)
I love that your birthday voice Jann is like a 1 -900 number caller. I was like, hello.

jann (00:46.681)
Oh, thank you. Have you guys ever called those things? Have you ever, like when I was a kid growing up in Springbank, the ads would come on where you literally, it would be later at night and there'd be people coming on and they would give you the number. It was like women, I'd like to be your friend. And like, I was so naive, you know, 11, 12, 13 years old. And I'm like, maybe I'd like to call them. Oh, okay.

Sarah Burke (00:49.744)
Hello? No...

Caitlin Green (01:02.798)
Mm -hmm.

Sarah Burke (01:07.632)
You're deterring us from your birthday, I refuse. We need to discuss your birthday. Happy birthday.

Caitlin Green (01:11.438)
No Sarah, Jann wanted to talk about hot singles in your area.

jann (01:17.081)
But I mean, obviously then people would get these, the charges. Thank you, it is. I'm not a huge birthday person, but I'm always grateful to be older. And I was just saying to my friend the other day, my friend Teresa, hi Teresa, that no matter what happens to me from this point in, if I die tomorrow, which I'm not really wanting to do that, but I am myself and I got to be myself.

Caitlin Green (01:17.248)
Nothing.

Sarah Burke (01:23.568)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (01:41.678)
Mm -hmm.

jann (01:43.961)
So whether that's sobriety or whether that's actually getting to be on the planet for six decades, that I actually feel very authentic and very much in my own skin and very responsible for my actions. And speaking of which, I do want to make an apology because we got a couple of messages about our Kate Middleton comments, our Kate Middleton comments. And, uh, uh,

Sarah Burke (02:06.16)
My closer bring your mic closer sorry.

jann (02:13.433)
You know, we I feel bad. It was kind of disparaging that the whole basis of our comments was about the photograph that was posted on Mother's Day that was clearly photoshopped and then Kate came on and she said my bad. I'm not I'm an amateur photographer and I did this and anyway, we we kind of hopped on the bandwagon to speak about it and

I think I said a disparaging thing about calories or something to do with how slim she is. Anyway, fast forward, what happened, Caitlin? She came on and told the world that she's very sick.

Caitlin Green (02:57.934)
Yeah, she's suffering from some type of cancer, I think. And they didn't disclose much more than that. Obviously she went in for abdominal surgery, which was serious. And then when the time that I think everyone figured would pass for you to take away, you know, step out of the public eye and she still wasn't back in the public eye, then all the conversation started. And so I do think that because that image was photoshopped and then they made her take ownership for it when there's, I still believe there's no way she'd.

edited that herself. Like there's no way that Kate was like, oh, I'm an amateur. Like, I just feel like so that, you know, the the palaces, kind of bungled PR response is what fueled so much of this fervor because then it became, well, where is she? Is she okay? For sure. Now they're like, oh, Russia's involved Russia has their bot farms out there spreading Kate misinformation. So look, you know, I think nothing is more upsetting than the

jann (03:29.785)
Who's got the time?

Sarah Burke (03:31.472)
you

jann (03:43.545)
conspiracy theories and all of that stuff.

Sarah Burke (03:45.808)
Yeah.

jann (03:51.129)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (03:57.358)
thought that she is dealing with a serious health issue and has a young family and then was like, oh my God, I'm going to have to sit on this bench here and tell everyone to beat it. But it is at least a full some kind of response from her personally and directly. And I think that that hopefully will mean everyone goes, okay, so we've seen.

jann (04:19.641)
Well, I apologize. I apologize personally to anyone that I offended. It was, you know, I didn't mean to be disparaging, but I certainly didn't need to make a comment about what a person eats, how much they eats or their physical appearance. That was completely uncalled for and I'm an asshole and I'm sorry.

Sarah Burke (04:40.176)
Well, this goes back to what you're saying. Like you are very much comfortable in who you are as a person and when you want to. No. Yeah.

jann (04:47.353)
But sometimes things aren't funny. They're not funny in any regard. And I think when you do make a mistake, just say you made a mistake.

Sarah Burke (04:55.556)
Exactly, yeah.

Caitlin Green (04:56.334)
I posted about it and said, can I issue an apology on behalf of like not only myself, but the entire internet and all of social media? Because I was like, oh, I think everyone. And then when I posted it, I had so many people DM going, oh my God, I know. Like I got so caught up in this. And I think I said the first time we talked about this, I was like, I just want to know that she's like, OK. Because the Royal Family is a weird existence, right? It's a weird existence. And there's a lot of skeletons in the proverbial closets. And so.

jann (05:01.113)
I saw that.

Caitlin Green (05:22.51)
I don't think anyone's relieved to hear that she's dealing with a serious health issue, but I think that it was like, okay, like now at least this can go away. And then she will now, I would hope be completely fine to deal with this in private. I do think there, I saw some, I was interacting with a few people on Twitter who were like, well, now we're just gonna be asking what kind of cancer she has and still prying. And I was like, I think your average, but I think your average person's putting it away. I think your average person is saying, okay, look, let's put this away.

jann (05:42.265)
Well, of course. I mean, you do want to know. No.

Caitlin Green (05:48.654)
You know, the daily mirror mail page six, whatever globe is probably going to still do this for clicks, but I, I, it's not trending the same way that it was at all.

jann (05:56.441)
Well, you said something interesting, Caitlin. I don't mean, I don't know how much I agreed with it or didn't agree with it. I don't think I was, but I heard you loud and clear and the basic gist was these people are paid millions and millions and millions of dollars as being part of the monarchy. You spoke to, you know, they owe it to us to be transparent somehow. That was sort of your feelings about, well, listen, this is, you knew what you were getting married into and.

Caitlin Green (06:18.806)
Mm -hmm.

Caitlin Green (06:25.678)
Well, it's more like this is the role. If you want to change the role, you can take the road of Harry and Meghan, who also are still kind of in the public eye, so I don't know about that. But it's the same thing with celebrities, right? There is a way, like Demi Moore and Bruce Willis left Hollywood for a long time, lived in Utah. There's a way to remove yourself from situations like this. And not that it would be easy or preferable, she fell in love with who she fell in love with.

Sarah Burke (06:34.256)
Hehehe.

Caitlin Green (06:48.814)
But I think the palace owed it to her to give, again, a more fulsome, slightly transparent, no one has to know what she's dealing with, but to say, hey, she went in for abdominal surgery, she's having some other health issues, and we'd appreciate some privacy at this time. But that wasn't it. It was like, everything's fine, here's a weird Photoshop, and then that fuels the conspiracy theories. So I see how it happened. Like I totally, and this is the world we're living in, and then they posted that there was a job posting for a communication specialist.

it within the palace. I was like, who got fired? Cause like someone needs to wear this one. It was, it was, it was clearly no, no, there was, there was a legitimate job posting. No, like they needed, they were like, Oh, we need someone to help. Because like to have Kate again, issue a statement from her own letterhead saying like essentially like graphic design is my passion. That's why I released this photo. It was like, that's not true. So that,

jann (07:22.233)
Was it a legitimate job posting? Oh, it wasn't. I thought you were kind of making a joke, but they were looking for someone to put out these fires. Yeah.

Caitlin Green (07:44.206)
made everyone go, what are they hiding? Like this can't be the case. So again, she hopefully now gets to deal with this in private, which is 1000. She has kids.

jann (07:52.249)
Well, she does have kids and you know, the internet. And there's this other thing that's happening in Florida. DeSantis announced that come January 1st, 2025, they are not allowing children under the age of 14 to have any social media accounts. And the ones that they do have will be removed. Kids are just going to lie. They're going to lie. They're going to have their older friends sign them up. But then there was some kind of caveat about the parents if the parents are allowing them to have...

Caitlin Green (08:08.334)
Mm -hmm.

jann (08:19.257)
social media accounts. And then they're being very self -righteous. Kids need to be at school and not on their phones. And unfortunately, technology is here. It's not going to go away. And if kids are anything like we were today, like 50 years ago for me, you will find a way around whatever those rules are.

Sarah Burke (08:36.784)
Oh yeah.

Caitlin Green (08:37.454)
Yeah. I would agree with that. I mean, in principle, if you could actually keep children off of social media until they were 14, that's a great idea. What's Jan showing us? Ooh.

Sarah Burke (08:49.328)
Oh, what's that you got there? Are we going to do a live pitch for a new sponsor?

jann (08:53.113)
Cove, Cove sodas are fantastic. Their new flavor came out. They always send me these flavors and they do not sponsor us yet, but they always send me their new flavors. And this is the ginger ale and it is fricking fantastic. There was 1 billion probiotic little things floating around in here. There's zero sugar. It's all natural. There's no coloring. And, uh,

Caitlin Green (08:54.808)
Cove soda.

Sarah Burke (09:00.24)
What is it called?

Caitlin Green (09:05.102)
Ginger? Ooh.

Sarah Burke (09:06.702)
Mmm.

Caitlin Green (09:15.63)
Sounds like there's, sounds like there are sea monkeys in there now.

Sarah Burke (09:15.824)
Hired.

jann (09:18.745)
Well, there could be ginger juice, citric acid, natural flavor, lemon juice, concentrate, Himalayan salt. I mean, I'm all over this. There's some vitamin C and then there's a whole bunch of basilicus subtilis, which is the probiotics and it's organic. It's organic. Anyway, thank you, Cove. Cove doesn't sponsor me, but I know they will. I know they're going to hear this and come on board. So what I wanted to talk to you guys about today is aging, like turning 62.

Caitlin Green (09:30.798)
I've never tried it.

Sarah Burke (09:30.896)
I'm just -

Caitlin Green (09:34.414)
Oh. Oh.

Sarah Burke (09:35.568)
That's probiotics.

jann (09:47.961)
is, well, let's put it this way. If it was 1830, I would be a grandmother for sure, possibly even a great grandmother. My life expectancy, this would really be the cap off. I would be in the last few months of my life, maybe another year or two. People generally did not live very long, women in particular. And because of childbirth, the mortality rate was extremely high. But it just got me thinking of how

Caitlin Green (10:06.382)
months.

Sarah Burke (10:09.828)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (10:09.902)
Oh, yeah.

jann (10:17.855)
lucky I am to be living in 2024 with the food that's available to me. I mean, conceivably, if all goes well, I could live into my 90s. And I was thinking about how people are so reluctant to age. And I know that's kind of a prevalent topic. People talk about it a lot. There's a lot of stuff on social media of women having their accounts that are just filled with

Caitlin Green (10:28.086)
Mm -hmm.

jann (10:47.385)
owning menopause and talking about menopause and talking about being in their 70s and 80s and their sexuality. I mean, it runs the gamut. And I'm just wondering why we are so reticent to embrace and celebrate the lines on our face or our hands or, you know, yeah, it is hard to come to terms with a physical body kind of letting you down, but I don't think we do ourselves any favor as women.

Caitlin Green (11:16.046)
Yeah, I would agree with that as someone who's guilty of like, I don't like the lines and stuff, but maybe you're right. Maybe it's because it's reminding me physically that I'm aging. Like maybe it's just a physical reminder every time I look in the mirror that I'm closer to death. Like, is that what it is?

jann (11:29.593)
So tell me what you don't like, Caitlin. Tell me what, you look at your face and are you like looking for the lines on your face or?

Caitlin Green (11:37.358)
No, they just kind of like, they kind of pop up. They go from like, you can see photos where it's like they look softer and now they're more there and they're there every day. Whereas like one day you'd be like a bit dehydrated and you're like, oh, that line's coming in. And now it's just always there. And I definitely look more tired, especially since having a child and previously working mornings. And I've been seeing for like, since Christmas, it's crazy. Mm -hmm.

jann (11:52.505)
Well, of course, you've been sick for three weeks too. You've been... Okay, make that a year and a half, but anyway.

Sarah Burke (11:58.314)
I'm

Caitlin Green (12:02.158)
It's just bizarre to see. Like, I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's this physical representation when you look in the mirror of the fact that your time on this earth is diminishing. That's like how I feel. And also, because you feel older, like you don't bounce back from things as quickly. Your joints hurt. Like, I hurt my hip the other day because I've been running. And I was like, oh, I just, just aging. My hip just hurts when I run now. That's so weird.

jann (12:27.385)
Well, I think it's about modifying how you do things. But it is amazing how we somehow are still living, and this has been going on for five, 6 ,000 years, when you look at even Egyptian culture, Roman culture, how women in particular fought so hard and did a lot of very bizarre things to remain young. I mean, for example, if you're looking at Queen Elizabeth I, I mean, she put lead on her face, lead.

Caitlin Green (12:30.606)
Yeah. Yeah.

jann (12:55.257)
she didn't like being older. So there was a white powder that, and they all did, anyone sort of in the court in, I mean, I'm such a history buff, but when I was reading this, I'm going, what? And it deteriorated their skin so badly. It burnt their hair away. This desire to remain young. And of course, in a situation like that, when you are in the monarchy or in a position of power, as you age, if you're perceived at the age of

Caitlin Green (12:57.134)
lover.

jann (13:23.993)
at all weak or frail or fragile. It's over. But I'm just the things that women have done historically and even now, and I'll use Madonna as an example and please send your letters to Sarah Burke, 555 -5171 -555 Avenue. She's I think 65 years old. 65 is not old.

Sarah Burke (13:43.222)
Rude.

Caitlin Green (13:47.406)
Yeah. No.

Sarah Burke (13:50.32)
Have either of you seen her on this tour, by the way?

Caitlin Green (13:52.526)
No I haven't, I didn't get tickets.

jann (13:52.793)
They say it is fantastic. People are saying the tour is fantastic. Yeah, she's been late a few times, but she gets out there and does a three hour show.

Sarah Burke (13:55.952)
I saw pictures.

Sarah Burke (14:03.056)
I was going to say she's wearing a knee brace proudly with all her costumes and I think that's fine.

Caitlin Green (14:06.54)
Mm -hmm.

jann (14:08.281)
Why not? She's out there dancing and doing... Oh my God, I couldn't dance from here to my refrigerator. So, but I think, you know, just things that she's done and the vitriol she has faced, which has been really hard. I don't even read the comments and I follow Madonna on the socials, on Instagram in particular, but it just, it feels like someone who's so reluctant to embrace that part of her life.

Caitlin Green (14:09.422)
down.

Sarah Burke (14:09.712)
Like if that's what it takes to dance, then go, yeah.

Caitlin Green (14:12.534)
Mm -hmm.

Sarah Burke (14:15.312)
I'm sorry.

Caitlin Green (14:16.364)
No.

jann (14:38.553)
Like I don't find any grace in it and maybe I'm just, I don't know her at all. I probably shouldn't even be commenting. But for me as a fellow woman, it's hard for me to watch that. It's been hard for me to watch Shania because she's, I mean, done, the weight loss is really, it's a lot.

Caitlin Green (14:59.982)
Okay, I haven't seen photos of her recently, so I feel like I don't know.

jann (15:02.113)
And whatever you want to do or take, and I'm not talking about that. I'm a fan of whatever you need to do, but it's just that I want to be 28 on this stage. I do, I think it's this desire to be this eternal fountain of youth. And there's such a discomfort in watching it unfold because I think if...

Caitlin Green (15:15.574)
Mm -hmm. That's where you feel like it comes from.

Caitlin Green (15:25.986)
Mm -hmm.

jann (15:30.745)
these women were to just be themselves. And I will use an example so you can see the contrast and you can see what I'm talking about. Helen Mirren, Judi Dench, Juliette Binoche, you know, the actresses.

Caitlin Green (15:38.828)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

jann (15:48.355)
It's Kate Winslet. She's in a new series called The Regime, which is fantastic. But she's really embracing this mature aging regent who is, you know, but when you see the difference between women that are kind of owning it, mentoring other people, this is how we do it, girls. This is what we do. We own ourselves. We look after ourselves, but we just walk into this period of wisdom.

Caitlin Green (15:52.046)
Mm -hmm.

jann (16:17.433)
and grace and knowledge and being sage and being strong. I mean, the antithesis to that is exactly, those are a couple of the examples that I've used and it's really hard to watch it. And I don't know what it says to women in general.

Caitlin Green (16:29.902)
Mm -hmm.

Feels like it's extremes. I feel like it's extremes. It's like anytime something becomes very extreme, then you sort of lose, you lose a little bit of yourself. You lose some of your familiarity. And that's when you see the comments pop up. You see fans like not recognizing that person. And I think that everyone gets lost in the extreme. Like you've got Kate Winslet's probably had some stuff done. Like she probably had Botox or she's had micro needling or whatever, right?

jann (16:56.377)
And I don't care about that stuff.

Caitlin Green (16:57.71)
But that's what I mean. It's always the fine line. It's like when people now, it seems weird. It's like people do nothing, right? And then someone say, people don't dye their hair anymore. They go completely gray. Then a bunch of people will comment on that or it negatively impacts their career. Yeah, exactly, you can't. Or if you're like, I'm just gonna eat whatever I want, cardio be damned. And then they gain weight and then everyone comments a bunch of negative stuff about that. But then if you go to the other extreme,

jann (17:13.017)
Oh, you can't escape it.

Caitlin Green (17:26.638)
you're still kind of, you're like stuck on either end. It's like this unhealthy like pendulum. And so I feel like for me at least, cause I turned 40 this year and that was the first time a birthday. Yeah. It was the first time a birthday like didn't feel great. Like I was like, oh, what? If I lived to 80, then I was like, I'm halfway to 80.

jann (17:38.585)
That's big for women. I think that's a pretty big turning point.

jann (17:45.689)
Now, so, and I just want to comment, like, what a triumph, you know, a new mom and all the stuff that you went through to get to this point in your life, to have what you have and your beautiful kid and Kyle, and you're so knowledgeable about, you know, everything in your life. And yet there's that little thing hanging onto you that you didn't really enjoy your 40th birthday. And you didn't. So let me just...

Caitlin Green (18:09.262)
I didn't, I didn't like it. And I felt halfway, no I didn't, I didn't really celebrate it. I felt halfway to 80 and I also feel like I'm not where I thought I would be. And that's a thing that's so common is I thought that certain parts of my life would look different. Now that's foolishness and I quickly was like, okay, let's take stock of, it is.

jann (18:17.015)
Oh my -

jann (18:27.097)
No, it's not foolish because it's reality. It's what your mind and your heart, your psyche, what you were prepared for at 40. And I understand that. Are you a planner, Caitlin? Do you plan? So are you a planner, Sarah?

Caitlin Green (18:38.668)
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. A little bit, like in some areas.

Sarah Burke (18:46.16)
Yeah, but I'm also a procrastinator, so they cancel each other out.

jann (18:51.257)
Well, not necessarily. I mean, look at what you've just done. I mean, we're coming to you from the Women in Media Network, podcasting network. I always fuck that up. But I mean, congratulations. And also congratulations on the 22nd big opening night. And just as a, just a sidebar to this conversation, these two women have been talking to each other for two and a half years or longer than that because Caitlin's relationship with Sarah was preceded mine.

Caitlin Green (19:00.206)
Sarah always laughs when you say that.

Sarah Burke (19:01.814)
Well because J -

jann (19:20.537)
with Sarah and they just met in person like last week.

Caitlin Green (19:24.078)
at the launch event.

Sarah Burke (19:24.144)
The first time. It's so crazy. And Caitlin was exactly like who I thought she was, you know, like it was, I don't know if I seem the same as through a screen, but.

Caitlin Green (19:33.39)
Yeah, total 1000%. It was like, it felt like we weren't meeting for the first time. It felt like we had already known each other for so long because we have virtually, but it was great. And I mean, Sarah, like you've hit this stride and you probably never thought you were going to necessarily do this starting out.

Sarah Burke (19:41.216)
Yeah

jann (19:47.449)
Did you plan this and you didn't procrastinate? Obviously you're here and you've started this network with all these amazing women that are talking about so many different things. But I mean, do any of us plan or are any of us where we thought we would be? I'm not where I thought I'd be, which is fantastic.

Sarah Burke (19:52.624)
Yeah, I guess there's some.

Sarah Burke (20:00.816)
Yeah, you know.

Caitlin Green (20:08.268)
Mm.

Sarah Burke (20:09.072)
I think a big part for like women maybe my age like I just turned 37 two weeks ago and it's almost like the idea of

I will say this, like three years ago, I would have been in my head thinking about like, oh, my relationship's not where I want it to be. I don't have kids. I'm not married, blah, blah, blah. But now I think I've spent enough quality time with myself and getting to know myself that now I don't care at all about those things and not having like a partner right now or a child like in a different tone than Chelsea Handler.

jann (20:37.625)
Mm -hmm.

Sarah Burke (20:51.344)
is fine. It's totally fine, like because I'm so proud of myself. I don't know.

jann (20:51.641)
Yes, yes.

jann (20:57.081)
Well, I mean...

I hope you celebrate 41, Caitlin. I hope when you get there, I hope that it feels like a different, because it obviously it's such a privilege to get older. I think as I've gotten older and I'll tell you this right now, because I'm 20 odd years older than you guys. I have friends that are succumbing to the weirdest things just because I'm at an age. So most of my friends don't have their parents anymore. So we're all kind of orphaned.

Caitlin Green (21:03.374)
Me too. I think I will.

Sarah Burke (21:04.08)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (21:10.988)
Mm -hmm.

jann (21:29.945)
There's a few stragglers that I'm like, I'm so jealous you still have your mom and dad. But it changes, but how you face things, how you take the information and kind of manifest it emotionally is so different. And even week to week, you'll find changes in yourselves of things that, and I'm not talking about those lines in your face, because I'm...

Sarah Burke (21:53.55)
Oh yeah.

jann (21:58.969)
I'm well aware of that feeling, but I have so much grace in it now. I'm so unbothered by it. I'm so, it just doesn't bother me at all. But I've been where you are, but I hope you somehow find the celebration and that joy in where you, and I know you guys have tons of joy. I'm not debating that, but I.

Sarah Burke (22:21.144)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (22:21.454)
Yeah, like I'm not trying to misrepresent the fact that like I enjoy like my life. I just felt like 40 was, 40 was just like, it's halfway to 80, which I was like, oh my God. And then daunting, did you say Sarah? Yeah. Well, see exactly. And maybe we'll all live that long and be cryogenically frozen like Walt Disney, according to a conspiracy theorist. But I do feel like I thought career wise things would look different for me. But I've done already so much that I didn't ever think I would do that I am proud of.

jann (22:26.201)
Your life is so great!

You are hilarious with this halfway to 80 thing. Well, I'm halfway to 124. How does that sound?

Sarah Burke (22:30.756)
It's daunting is maybe the right word. Yeah.

Caitlin Green (22:51.438)
So I do try to balance it. I never want to have an unbalanced perspective on things. So I did get in there with my CBT work and say right away, like, okay, let's take stock of the stuff that is working for you. But it was the first birthday where I've been like, and I'm not a big birthday person, but it was the first birthday. Yeah. Do you guys hear the sound of a crying baby in the background, Sarah? Okay, yeah.

Sarah Burke (22:51.696)
Yeah.

jann (23:05.273)
I'm not a big birthday person either.

Sarah Burke (23:06.768)
All three of us, we don't care.

jann (23:08.793)
I'm not huge. I do. I can hear it very, very faintly.

Sarah Burke (23:11.952)
No, I don't.

Caitlin Green (23:15.373)
Okay. Well, he might come join us on the show. Hold on a second. I'm just going to mute my mic and then y 'all continue.

Sarah Burke (23:15.824)
Do you need to check on Will quickly? Okay, okay.

Okay, okay, thank you.

jann (23:23.385)
Yeah. Well, this is Real Life. Welcome. If you're walking in the woods right now, listening to the Jan Arden podcast, uh, Caitlin has left us. And what were you going to say, Sarah? And I, I, you're, you, I wonder if you'll feel the same way about 40, cause there's a lot of listeners out there that are in their thirties, in their twenties, in their forties, 50, 60, seventies. Do you think you'll feel like you ha you're not where you want to be like three years from now, but you just said you've kind of let go of that.

Sarah Burke (23:28.528)
We have a nice brick wall for Caitlin.

Sarah Burke (23:34.)
So.

Sarah Burke (23:51.728)
I've already let go of it, I think. Yeah, I feel pretty good. But the one thing I've taken away from aging and women as of late, I don't know if you've ever listened to the Mel Robbins podcast. So she...

jann (24:05.625)
I've not listened to the podcast. I'm aware of her because I do follow her on the socials. I think she's fantastic.

Sarah Burke (24:08.59)
Yeah. Yeah. So her, she put out an episode about menopause and paramenopause a couple of weeks ago. And it's mind blowing how just, you know, our physiology, we are up against a lot to just continue on. Okay. Like, so I was talking a few weeks ago, I kept falling asleep with my arm above my head and my shoulders all messed up. It's impacted me at the gym and you know, I love going to the gym every day, right? Like, so...

jann (24:27.513)
Oh man.

jann (24:36.481)
Yes.

Sarah Burke (24:37.68)
I'm going through this weird thing right now with that where I'm trying to slow down to get the shoulder better. And while listening to that podcast, she's talking about like perimenopause and how your collagen depletes. Hi, well. So when your collagen is depleting in your body, something like your shoulder joint could present like that. And that's the only reason because your collagen is depleting because of your age.

jann (24:53.689)
Yeah.

jann (24:57.657)
Mm -hmm.

jann (25:03.225)
Well, yeah, you have to make sure you're giving yourself what you need. Listen, in my 40s, I was still such a turd. I was still, when I was your guys' age, I know that's not proper English, but that's what I'm gonna say.

Sarah Burke (25:15.97)
Okay.

jann (25:17.689)
I was in the middle of, like my career was just on like one million miles an hour and I was flinging all over the world and doing all this stuff and drinking so much. I don't even think I was sober enough, long enough to notice that I did have a sore shoulder. And if anything was sore on me, I would think to myself, what did I fall over last night? I don't even remember that. Like,

My injuries were always like, oh my God, what did I do? Like, who did I hit? Did I drive? Well, it's just, you guys should be so proud of yourselves because you seem like both the pictures of decorum and control and steadfastness and punctuality and persistence. Like when I look at you guys and I look at where I was at your age, I'm just shaking my head. Yes, I had a career, but I was so...

out of control. God only knows where I actually could have ended up had I been like you guys. Like just more, you both seem so driven to me.

Sarah Burke (26:22.202)
You're thinking about, yeah. I think you've been pretty driven the entire way through too. We're laughing right now because Will is now here with us if you're not on YouTube and you're just listening. We have, can Will say hi to us? Hi Will.

Caitlin Green (26:35.118)
Can you say hi? Say hi. He will, he'll do it in a second. Will, say hi. Say hi.

jann (26:37.177)
Hi. No. He's like, no, mommy.

Sarah Burke (26:39.664)
No, no.

Sarah Burke (26:44.848)
Hello.

jann (26:45.849)
You're like Marilyn Dennis's, her Adam. He followed in her footsteps.

Caitlin Green (26:47.726)
Hi.

I know Jan Marilyn wanted me to sing happy birthday to you for her today, but I won't do that to our listeners.

jann (26:54.681)
I had my friend Rose Cousins whistle to me. I've never had Happy Birthday whistled to me.

Sarah Burke (26:55.376)
You

Caitlin Green (27:02.798)
I'm a much better whistler than I am singer too, so I relate to Rose on that front. It is! My grandfather used to do it all the time, and I love whistling.

jann (27:05.813)
Whistling is a lost art. I love whistling. My dad used to whistle all the time. Whenever, oh, you got a pencil out. What are you doing? Okay. Okay. What's it say?

Sarah Burke (27:10.64)
Here, this is so perfect. This is so perfect for our talk today. This is from Rose Cousins. It says, impending mortality awareness society. And she was selling it at merch at her shows. Awareness society.

Caitlin Green (27:17.454)
What is it?

Caitlin Green (27:24.232)
No.

jann (27:25.849)
I love that impending mortality awareness society. Well, listen, our impending mortality is supposed to remind us to be in the moment. Like all those things that the Grim Reaper is sitting on our shoulder constantly because he or she is trying to remind us of the spectacular, the spectacular, yeah, they, them nature of being on this planet. I was listening to...

Sarah Burke (27:36.572)
Yes.

Caitlin Green (27:37.998)
True.

Sarah Burke (27:47.664)
They might be a they them.

jann (27:54.905)
a guy just like a month ago or something, and he was talking about the likelihood of even being alive and even being here. And he gave some statistic, which kind of was bothersome to me because like, how do you come up with this number? And it was like one in 40 trillion, something like that, that we are even here, like the likelihood of being on a planet that so far is the only little speck of blue in our galaxy that has

a planet with life on it, water, trees, oxygen. And when people think, well, what's next? What else is there? What's the point? And he made a good point. He said, what more do you want? You are here. You are going on holidays on beaches or you're making love or you're drinking whiskey or smoking weed, you're walking through a jungle. Like, what more do you guys want?

You're here, which is spectacular. But I...

I don't worry about that as much anymore. I think I did when I was young worrying about dying.

Sarah Burke (29:05.712)
My mom thinks that you have rubbed off on me about this. Well, she's just like, you know, you're like not worried about all those things that society wants you to be worried about now. And like, it's true, like working with people like you or Debbie Travis, like Debbie Travis wrote an entire book about reinventing herself after, you know, so all of this makes sense to me anyway, because when you hang out with, well, this is the equivalent of some sort of hangout, I would think.

Caitlin Green (29:08.726)
Ooh, how does she think that explained?

jann (29:24.321)
Yeah, yeah.

Caitlin Green (29:34.338)
Mm -hmm. It's true.

jann (29:34.521)
Yeah, no, absolutely. When you think about retirement, Sarah, what comes to your mind? So is that something that isn't part of your generational trajectory? Because when I was growing up, like my mom and dad, retirement was always the thing. Even when my dad was your age, when he was in his fifties, when he was like early sixties, that said, I'm done. I can just sit and do nothing. And it killed him. It...

Sarah Burke (29:36.528)
When you're, yeah.

Gotham.

Sarah Burke (29:51.184)
Yeah.

jann (30:02.013)
Retirement killed him because he lost his way. And so when you have...

Sarah Burke (30:06.192)
My dad has not retired yet because he's gonna be like that.

jann (30:10.105)
So anyway, sorry, I interrupted you. What is your perception of what that looks like for you or is it even a conversation in your head? Like that will never be part of your plan as a 60 year old woman.

Sarah Burke (30:21.84)
The extent of my planning for retirement is like doing the bare minimum to have a, you know, my RRSP and all of that stuff. Oh my God, I should not even admit this to you because it's been a full year since you said it to me. Do you know where I'm going? Gosh, I do. I haven't done that. I've emailed two people and they kind of passed me around and then I got too busy by the time they were ready for me. So I have to re -approach them. Yes, I know. I know she's so mad at me.

jann (30:28.345)
saving.

jann (30:33.817)
The will is fucking will. You haven't done your fucking will.

Caitlin Green (30:44.526)
You can just do it online, that's what I did.

jann (30:46.809)
Sarah, you need to do your will. I'm not mad at you, but now you are a comp, you're a mogul. Sorry.

Caitlin Green (30:49.614)
Just do your, I think it's like Will, I think I used Willful or something. I think I used Willful or something like that. It's like, Sarah, I'm sending you the link to the online service. I'll give you a discount code. It's so easy. We did it because we were traveling and we were worried about Will, not the actual legal document. But yes, you have to do that. And you have to be saving for your RRSPs.

jann (30:56.087)
Wilful.

Sarah Burke (30:58.636)
Okay. Okay.

Sarah Burke (31:04.944)
True. Yes. Okay.

jann (31:07.801)
So I, yeah, she's doing, she's doing that. You're doing that.

Sarah Burke (31:10.608)
So I do the bare minimum of things, but for the most part, I live here now and today. Yeah.

jann (31:18.041)
This may not be for everybody and I'm certainly not a financial expert, but I always would take a loan to get my RSPs when I was your age. If I did not have like $12 ,000 cash or whatever, I would take a loan that I would be that low interest and my bank was always like, that's an excellent, do it. Take a loan, put it into your RSPs and then pay this off over the next year.

Sarah Burke (31:28.784)
Hmm.

Caitlin Green (31:31.662)
Uh huh. Yep.

Sarah Burke (31:42.608)
Thanks for telling us after deadline, by the way. Yeah.

Caitlin Green (31:42.702)
Yeah.

jann (31:44.985)
Well, but I'm just saying, that never made sense to me, but it does now because when I look at what I have in my RSPs, I'm like, hubba hubba, all right. I've...

Caitlin Green (31:49.134)
Well, some, yeah.

I mean, it was great idea back in the day when money was free today. Interest payments, not so much.

Sarah Burke (31:57.104)
Yeah, well, I'm doing the whole thing where you pay off credit card things with the low interest of your credit line. Like, you know, there's things. Moving and shaking.

jann (31:57.271)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (32:02.958)
You're moving money around. Will's looking at me like I'm crazy. He's like, Will's looking at me like.

jann (32:06.361)
So once again, the question to you guys is, what does the word retirement conjure up in your mind? And is that a goal? Is it like, I'm 40 years old when I hit, so is it 60? What's the retirement point? Is it 15 years? 60.

Sarah Burke (32:09.136)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (32:13.966)
Mm -hmm. Yes.

Caitlin Green (32:18.19)
Yes, 60, 60. I mean, if it's earlier than 60, great, but definitely 60. Our financial managers have like a dollar amount that they estimate people will probably need. So we will probably sell our place if we still are living in Toronto and live somewhere else. I love the Eastern townships of Quebec. Happy to live there. Also would be very happy to live out East. I have so much family out East. So like Chester, Nova Scotia would be lovely.

jann (32:43.673)
And what will we be doing? What does, like I said, what does it look like? What is Caitlin and Kyle and 25 year old Will gonna be doing? No, he's gonna be 21, 22 when you're retired.

Caitlin Green (32:47.758)
Definitely.

Caitlin Green (32:55.086)
I know, it's crazy. We'll be visiting from university, probably hung over on my couch, eating all my food, and Kyle will be golfing a whole lot or not.

jann (33:03.001)
Or not. He won't be, he might not be hung over at all. He might just be saying, mom, you need to take your vitamins.

Sarah Burke (33:04.816)
Kyle and I will be golfing.

Caitlin Green (33:11.022)
If he's anything like his dad and I, he'll be hungover. So, uh, Will's chewing on my microphone cord. Excuse me. So I don't know. And the Kyle be golfing. I, I'll probably be working in some capacity. Oh, his dad can talk to his dad. His dad can get in two rounds a day if he really pushes it. Um, so, but yeah, I don't have the golf bug yet. So, um, I don't know. I'd be happy to see friends. I would love to volunteer. Um, I think. Mm hmm.

jann (33:21.177)
But and then what? You can't golf every day?

Sarah Burke (33:37.2)
I was going to say giving back in community. Yeah.

Caitlin Green (33:39.662)
Yeah, I think that the community connection and not removing yourself socially from like a greater purpose, I think that's the piece that retirees struggle with. So I would be really happy to do that.

Sarah Burke (33:47.952)
Yeah.

jann (33:49.049)
Okay, what does purpose mean? What does purpose mean?

Caitlin Green (33:52.278)
Mm.

Sarah Burke (33:52.624)
Jen is like fully pulling like a therapist right now. This is so good.

Caitlin Green (33:55.246)
I love it.

jann (33:55.481)
No, I just, I want to know because this seems very loosey goosey to me. It's like, okay, for one thing you might be loving what you're doing and you might not want to even pull that plug until you're 67. My friend Bev just retired. She was 69 and now she's just, she never stops. Like she's doing consulting. She's like, of course.

Caitlin Green (33:59.822)
Yeah. Well, you want to be doing something that's like...

Caitlin Green (34:06.542)
Yeah, I may... I hope.

Caitlin Green (34:13.102)
Yeah. Well, Marilyn still works. Roger worked until he was 70. You know, you can, if you have an engaging and someone's still employing you, you know, if you're still working, great, and you love it, oh my God, great. Yeah, like, and some people like, and he, but you know, he really, he works on his own terms. He does something he loves. And if that's you, like, man, I ride it till the wheels fall off. I'm a huge fan of that, but.

Sarah Burke (34:13.84)
Yeah.

jann (34:26.905)
Bruce Allen is 78 years old. He'll be 79 this year.

Sarah Burke (34:40.14)
Agree.

Caitlin Green (34:40.846)
If you're working for someone else, if you're kind of like, I'm not sure about this, and you want to do something that's more in line with your values in retirement and you have the means to do it, yeah, I would love to work with women or children. Will's like, can I get down now, mom? So yeah, I would definitely be doing something like that, I think. I would volunteer for sure.

Sarah Burke (35:00.24)
Yeah, I think the volunteering part, like the things I'm doing now, but in a way where I'm more, like you said, consulting makes sense or like giving back to people who need the help with it. I think about my dad so much with this. So my dad, I think if he listens every week, so I might get in trouble. I think he's 69, I think. He's either 69. Yeah, he's turning 70. I know. Yes, he is. So, you know, for...

jann (35:20.665)
Okay. 69 is the new 41, so carry on.

Sarah Burke (35:29.712)
A couple years we've been asking him, so when are you retiring? Because he sold his business, which was a family business during the pandemic, just for many, many reasons, which I won't get into. But so now he works for the other person and he's like, I have an HR meeting. I've never had one of those. Like I have, like there was some sort of celebration for, you know, his service of work, however many years he's been with his business. So they were going to do like a celebration thing for him.

And he's like, I just responded no to the calendar invite. I'm like, you can't do that, it's for you. He's like, I don't want all that schmoozing. Yeah, so anyway, every...

jann (36:06.617)
But it's not for him, it's for the people that are celebrating their time with him.

But he worries about retiring, correct? He worries about what does this look like when I don't get into my pants in the morning and get into my car and drive to wherever I'm going.

Sarah Burke (36:20.94)
Yeah, I know he loves like going to the cottage now and he's very comfortable with the idea of like taking two weeks off and just going up to the cottage. But what he's not comfortable with is the idea of not being able to come back to some sort of work yet because he will be bored. He will be bored for sure.

Caitlin Green (36:37.294)
Yeah, that's where I think that sometimes like people go into consulting, you know, like use like your friend Bev, Jan and my grandfather did that. Yeah.

jann (36:43.225)
Yeah, and it's traveling. It's going up north. It's going to Prince Edward Island. She's with her skills, you know, mentoring people.

Caitlin Green (36:52.814)
Why is she going to Prince Edward Island? What does she do in Prince Edward Island?

jann (36:55.097)
I think it's, Bev has always worked sort of in, with marginalized people, people with addictions, you know, the foster care system, like in every capacity, people that who are literally on the edges of society needing help and needing places to live, needing programs. Bev has done that for 50 years.

Caitlin Green (37:17.39)
Oh my gosh, I wonder if she knew my grandfather because he was the minister of social services for Prince of Rhode Island. And when he did consulting after that, it was like really in that space. So it was working with a lot of people who had, you know, physical disabilities or yeah. Oh, I wonder if she knew him. That's interesting. But yeah, so I mean.

jann (37:29.529)
Oh yeah, all of that, everything. Well, it's a very small community, that whole community, like from coast to coast. But she, retirement, when I talked to her about it, it's not even a word. It wasn't her goal. She just knew that, and we were talking about this, the lines on your face or your shoulder, your physical, the things that start happening to you physically is probably the most disappointing part of aging because usually mentally you're quite sharp and you feel exactly the same. You look in the mirror and you're like, this is me.

But my shoulders sore. This line in my brow isn't going away. My ankle is sore. My hip is sore from running. Those are the things that are disappointing about aging, but we just have to adapt. But I think with Beb, it's just like I knew that my body just couldn't handle the pounding that it was so much travel. Like it was every week, she was probably doing 1500 kilometers. That's a lot of driving.

Sarah Burke (38:25.072)
There's something to be said about your body telling you when it's enough to, right? Well, me getting this, this aura ring thing is I think because, oh yeah, yeah, I really like it, but like it's part of, so part of my panic about aging is how I'm not treating my body the best to continue aging well, right? Like, and it's not about how I look, it's about how I feel and I feel like crap because I don't sleep. Yeah.

Caitlin Green (38:27.202)
Yeah, yes. Yeah, that's true too.

jann (38:28.471)
Well, most people ignore it.

jann (38:34.553)
Have you liked it?

jann (38:47.801)
But you know exactly what you need to do to look after yourself. But women at your age still think, well, I'm going to do this anyway because we're going out. I'm going to have these six drinks. I'm going to do this. I mean, I'm going to eat this. I mean, that's what you're supposed to do in your life too. You can't regulate every moment of every day. But what I will tell you is that your 65 year old self, Sarah Burke,

Sarah Burke (38:59.768)
Uh -huh.

jann (39:15.605)
needs you to look after the 37 year old self. And you just, you have to make choices that they say sleep is more important than anything. I mean, we had our,

Sarah Burke (39:18.768)
Yeah.

Sarah Burke (39:23.888)
a 49 sleep score. Oh my God. I was like, yeah.

jann (39:26.553)
What?

That is, that is redonkulous. And you shouldn't, well, she should be in the eighties. Her sleep score, it's out of 100 on a ring. I've never had a 100. My highest is 92. And, and I knew I'd had a good sleep. And I looked at my number in the morning. I'm like, I feel like I've been in a, an oxygen chamber all night.

Caitlin Green (39:31.598)
I don't know what that means, but I need to know.

Sarah Burke (39:32.816)
Yeah.

Sarah Burke (39:38.224)
49, yeah.

Sarah Burke (39:44.75)
Yeah.

Sarah Burke (39:49.42)
Yeah, before the launch of the network, there was just so much to do and because I was so heavily booked, like with recordings and things, the work was being done after dinner or whenever I could fit it in. And so for April, I have a big goal to rebalance my life. It's a big goal and I'm very excited for it when I'm finished teaching.

jann (39:50.615)
Um.

jann (39:59.031)
Mm -hmm.

jann (40:12.889)
They talk about this a lot in so many of the books that I've read really over the last 15 years about aging, about accepting yourself and not being frightened. So many people are frightened. So many women are very, very frightened, men too, but I'm talking mostly about women today because I'm a woman and that's what I know. But almost every article I've read speaks about women and their friendships and how friendships, important friendships,

Sarah Burke (40:15.224)
Yeah.

jann (40:44.089)
help you to be yourself through every level of your life. Obviously old friends are wonderful because the people that knew you when you were 20, like it's weird for me. I know a handful of people that have known me since I was 12 years old, 10 years old. And we're now seeing each other 50 years into this life together. And there's so much comfort in it because you're moving through those physical changes, those...

Sarah Burke (40:59.982)
Right.

jann (41:09.497)
physiological changes, those mental changes, the emotional changes, spiritual changes. My God, I've changed my ideas about spirituality and God and religion 50 times in the last 50 years. And to have these people with me, but they talk about the importance of friendship in your overall health. And you guys both seem like you have very good friends anytime that, I mean, I haven't met a lot of Caitlin's friends, but I've met some of your friends and.

Sarah Burke (41:21.392)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah Burke (41:39.28)
Yeah, there's something.

jann (41:39.449)
How important is that to either of you guys, the friendships in your life?

Sarah Burke (41:42.851)
Yeah, I think it's interesting because I'm just coming out of that launch event and the people that I made sure were in the room at that launch event were people who have shown me like support every inch of the way before the network was even in conception, you know? And I definitely got some questions about people who weren't in the room and because of again like this idea...

jann (42:06.745)
What do you mean questions about people questions in your heart and mind? Why aren't these people in this room key people that you felt were key people?

Sarah Burke (42:15.116)
Well, I think others asking about who was not there, you know, so me feeling bad, me feeling like the guilt about not inviting someone, but I had a guest list and a budget and you know, there's some things there. But, you know, when I made that list, I asked myself who has been in... Yeah, that's okay. I asked myself... And you know...

jann (42:18.457)
Okay, understood.

jann (42:31.705)
Oh, I see. Now I'm understanding. Sorry. Yeah. I'm picking up what you're laying down. I just picked it up.

Sarah Burke (42:39.984)
There's a guest list for the creators too. I wanted everyone to be like, you know, Debbie and Tommy were doing a live tape of their podcast. So I wanted them to have guests in the audience that they wanted there. Debbie doesn't live here. So it's like the one time she's in from Tuscany, invite your friends and family that you don't see, of course. And then, you know, on top of that, there's business relationships that I want to be there. And then there's just people that were friends, support people. And the people who got invites cared enough to ask what I've...

jann (42:47.033)
Yeah, that's.

Sarah Burke (43:09.456)
been working on, cared enough to want to know what I was dreaming about after I left my last job, were proud of me, proud of me. And you know, like there were, it's interesting, there's a lot of like, I'm gonna use the word performative things going on right now from some people in my life. And it's almost like, it's like, how do you not see that you're being performative? I wish that you were sincere, you know?

jann (43:17.049)
And earnestly too.

jann (43:37.785)
But as you get older, you steer away from that because you realize that your whole entity, nevermind your emotional brain self, but your body just rejects that because you're not, I always say to people, if you leave a room with a few individuals that are your friends and you leave feeling anything less than lifted up, supported, understood,

Sarah Burke (43:39.088)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah Burke (43:52.272)
I can't do it.

Sarah Burke (43:59.216)
Yeah, yeah.

jann (44:07.505)
nurtured. You need to feel bigger than when you came into the room. That I know at 62. I don't have a million friends. I know a lot of people. But when I look at my life and who's in my life and the importance of how I feel about my wellbeing, I'm the luckiest person in the world.

Sarah Burke (44:15.724)
Yep.

Sarah Burke (44:29.018)
That's exactly it.

jann (44:30.713)
And you just know you don't want to be, and you do feel it, but you ignore those feelings. Sometimes you're like, Oh God, this person I'm putting up with them.

Caitlin Green (44:30.862)
You don't want to be depleted. Some friendships are... Yeah, exactly.

Sarah Burke (44:36.066)
Oh yeah. I could have invited them because I felt guilty, but I was like, no, I'm protecting my energy on that day.

jann (44:42.105)
Wrong reason to do anything is guilt.

Caitlin Green (44:43.406)
Yeah. And you also get used to feeling depleted, right? Like it's like inertia where you're like, oh, this person's just like this. They just, whatever. And then again, you hit for me at least closing in on 40, you hit a certain age and say, I, energy is a finite resource and I do not care to expend it on someone who is frankly never going to change. So it is, it's like, it's, yeah.

jann (45:02.553)
Well, it's important for your wellbeing. So never mind just a nuisance, it's important for your health.

Sarah Burke (45:04.944)
Yeah.

Caitlin Green (45:08.75)
Yeah. And you're like, what do I want to do? Feel, feel like drained when I come back from seeing this person so that I'm, I'm kind of distant and weird around my kid. Like that for me is a big thing. If I noticed that it like being around someone makes me more tired or they take up my energy away from Will and my focus away from Will. I'm like, nope, nothing is that important. As he sits on my lap and tries to mess with my microphone, but.

jann (45:21.945)
Oh, absolutely. Move on.

Sarah Burke (45:27.536)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Caitlin Green (45:31.054)
It's just very, aging is like you said earlier in the episode, it really is a privilege because so many things come into focus and you do get a better perspective on what's important in life and you draw clear boundaries to protect your resources internally or externally and that is really the gift of aging. And you said too, Jan, you were like, oh, well, I want people to like step into this era of wisdom. It really is wisdom. Like it's so much experience. I mean, if they say it takes.

Sarah Burke (45:39.024)
Yes.

jann (45:56.281)
It's time.

Sarah Burke (45:56.366)
Mm -hmm.

Caitlin Green (45:57.614)
Like it takes 10 ,000 hours to become an expert in anything. Is that not like what people always quote?

jann (46:01.241)
Yeah, no, no, that's one of the things I do say. Like if you think about learning piano, I think 10 ,000 hours would pretty much give you the skills that you would need to go forward. However, that does not apply to me because I've played my guitar for probably 30 ,000 hours and I suck balls. So no, I know six chords, but I've never poured myself into it. So I make sure that what I pour myself into, I'm really passionate about. So I don't waste my time.

Sarah Burke (46:15.772)
No, you don't.

Caitlin Green (46:16.182)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Sarah Burke (46:28.176)
I just looked up how many hours I have recorded on our software, Riverside. But remember, we used to use a different login, so it doesn't include two years of you, but 67 hours.

jann (46:36.001)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Okay. Okay.

67 hours. Are you shitting me right now? Wow. That we are not doing great. We are not doing very good.

Sarah Burke (46:43.76)
of recording time.

Caitlin Green (46:45.646)
you

Sarah Burke (46:48.176)
And that's without including you.

Caitlin Green (46:51.326)
Hahaha!

Sarah Burke (46:52.836)
Anyway.

jann (46:54.041)
Well, listen, I mean, we can talk forever and a day about this stuff, but I did want to touch upon that just because I stumbled across this video of this woman, actually my friend Judith Sampson French. I'm lying right now. I didn't stumble across it. I stumbled across it because somebody pointed me towards it. Judith, thank you. And it was a woman talking about getting older and...

I was so fascinated by this 12 minute video. I've put it up on my Facebook page if you have any interest, not the Jan Arden pod page, although I will forward it to, if you, maybe you can copy it over there, Sarah. I'm not sure which one of us is doing that. It ain't me, cause I don't even know how to, but it's so inspiring. And I don't care if you're 19 or you're 25, your bag of tricks will get bigger as you get older.

Caitlin Green (47:23.148)
Ooh.

Sarah Burke (47:30.224)
Yeah, sure.

Caitlin Green (47:36.246)
Will's gonna do it.

Sarah Burke (47:36.56)
forward.

Sarah Burke (47:43.28)
Yes, yes, yes.

jann (47:44.377)
And you will have more experiences and more tools in that bag in order to deal with anything that life throws at you. So the grace that I have as we come to the end of this episode is that no matter what befell me, if it's health things, if it's emotional stuff, if it's depression or anxiety or decision -making, I open up this bag that's 62 years old now and I dig around in there and I can find whatever it is that I need.

to cope, to go forward, to undo, to calm myself down. And I can't believe it's taken me this long. It takes so long to become a person, like a well -informed, well -rounded, thoughtful person. I mean, it's got to be some kind of record. I don't think there's any other animal on this planet that takes as fricking long as human beings do to become what they are supposed to be.

So don't be hard on yourself, but look after yourself. Cause like I said, your 60 year old body really needs your 25, 35 year old self to look after itself.

Caitlin Green (48:51.694)
And Will wants to say goodbye. Did he say bye? Did he say bye bye? No, he said no. No. He has a big tease and he says hi and goodbye all the time. Oh, he's doing goodbye with his hand. He's saying bye? He's saying, oh, look, Sarah's waving to you. Can you say bye, Sarah? No. He's mad at me.

jann (48:54.265)
Bye bye. No. Well, yeah.

Sarah Burke (48:58.256)
He's a big tease already.

He's being shy.

jann (49:04.153)
Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

Sarah Burke (49:10.128)
Bye. Nah.

jann (49:11.801)
You've been listening to the Jan Arden Podcast and Show. Once again, you can subscribe to us. Listen to us wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts. And if you hit that subscribe button, then you won't have to look for us. You will just appear. We're on YouTube. Jan Arden Pod is our handle across all social media platforms. Caitlin Green will always be here. Sarah Burke will be here. We are on the Women in Media Podcast Network. Can you believe that?

Sarah Burke (49:37.136)
and at JanArtAndPod .com.

jann (49:39.737)
JanArdenPod .com, you can leave us a voice note. As we go out, we're gonna play some of the voicemails we got this week, because we have, we have the time. And we got some really great ones, and we got school to thank you to the person that said, we owe Kate Middleton an apology, which I hope you will accept on behalf of us. And we will think, we will count to 10 before we ever do that again, I think.

Caitlin Green (49:56.588)
Mm -hmm.

Sarah Burke (50:04.82)
So, do you, if I give you the names, will you just give me a line throwing too? And to end, we're gonna play some voice notes. Okay. Sherry Angeline from Nova Scotia, Colleen from Burlington. Yeah.

jann (50:11.417)
No, I've got these right here. I've got them.

Okay, so, yeah, I got them in front of me. So we got some really great notes from people. We got a voice note from Sherry. We got a voice note from Angeline in Nova Scotia. We got a voice note from Colleen in Burlington. And we got a voice note from a new listener named Allie. And she talks about being an organ donor, I believe.

Sarah Burke (50:44.408)
April is Oregon Donation Month and so we're just giving the good word or spreading the good word.

jann (50:46.549)
April is organ donation month. So yeah, we just want to, we're just putting that out there. Um, yeah, thank you so much for the voice notes. That's the most we've ever had in one week. So this is getting out of control. I'm, I'm even leaving voice notes on our webpage because I'm so desperate. I'm like, hi, my name's Jan. I love the show. Um, call me. And this other really cute thing.

Sarah Burke (50:54.448)
Thanks for the voice notes, guys.

Sarah Burke (51:10.)
you

jann (51:12.473)
I got to read this because it's from Laura and she's throwing back to the MySpace days. She goes, with Good Friday approaching, I am reminded of another Good Friday, a hundred years ago in the time of MySpace when Jan invited her followers to ask her anything to which I bravely requested she call and leave me a message on voicemail. That was followed by a DM from Jan asking for my phone number and calling her bluff. I provided it.

Sarah Burke (51:18.352)
Read it.

jann (51:40.095)
Giddy does not adequately express the excitement when I later check my phone to find a message from Jan, including a wee snippet of Moon River. Loved you then, loved you now. Keep doing what you're doing because you're doing it well. So thank you, Laura. And I remember that. I remember calling and gosh, thanks for trusting me with your phone number. I've been writing it on bathroom walls ever since you gave it to me.

Sarah Burke (51:57.96)
I'm

jann (52:09.113)
for a good time, call Laura. No, anyways, thank you for that. So yeah, thanks. I hope you girls have a nice weekend.

and that you aren't. Yeah, I hope, hope no one's sick.

Caitlin Green (52:19.598)
I hope that I have a healthy weekend that doesn't include being buried underneath. I know that's like that's all I pray for now at this point. So.

Sarah Burke (52:21.94)
Yes.

Sarah Burke (52:27.28)
I'm sick right now too. I'm just like a bit under the weather. That's why I keep muting my mic. I don't want to like sniffle on you guys.

jann (52:29.561)
What?

Caitlin Green (52:30.624)
I know.

jann (52:35.481)
Well, listen, once again, it was great to talk to you. Thanks for being open. Thanks for answering all these questions. Hi to your dad. I know he's listening right now. And you know, just can we take the word retire and just retire the word retire because it doesn't really mean what human life should be. Like just be whatever age you want to be. Do stuff until you want to do stuff anymore. And...

Caitlin Green (52:45.102)
I met Sarah's dad. He's so lovely.

Sarah Burke (52:45.21)
Retire whenever you're comfortable, yeah?

jann (53:03.961)
You can go and apply for a job when you're 75, you know, you don't have to quit anything. You don't have to lay down your whatever. And if people want to do that, that's fine too. But we only have so much time to do stuff. And I plan on...

Sarah Burke (53:17.538)
Name of episode, it could either be, let's retire retirement or it could be impending mortality awareness society. Up to you guys.

jann (53:26.361)
Shout out to Sarah. Oh, Rose, that's right, Rose. I'll leave it up to you, Sarah. Thanks for listening. We will talk to you next time. Thanks to Cove. They don't sponsor us, but this is so good. And maybe they will sponsor us because if you don't go and get yourself some of this, they've got cola, they've got orange, they've got lime, they've got a bunch of probiotic kombucha drinks. This stuff is...

Caitlin Green (53:27.886)
Shout out to Rose Cousin, Rose Cousins.

Sarah Burke (53:29.656)
Rose Cousins.

jann (53:56.185)
Fantastic. Thank you.

Sarah Burke (53:57.872)
They are getting some videos from this podcast this week.

Caitlin Green (54:00.142)
They don't sponsor us yet. Yes.

jann (54:00.377)
Oh, I just got reminded on my computer. It's Jan Arden Richard's 67th birthday on my, oh no, sorry. My 62nd birthday. I don't mind. I hope I make it to 67.

Sarah Burke (54:07.356)
67th? Have you been lying to us this entire episode?

Sarah Burke (54:13.808)
Okay. You will. Did you say your, did you say your toot -a -lee -doo? Okay, just.

Caitlin Green (54:16.878)
Me too, Jann.

jann (54:19.353)
No, not yet. Haven't said it. Anyway, thanks for listening. Thanks for listening. And I mean that. Our subscriptions are going up, up, up all the time and that's thanks to you guys. So we'll see you next time. Phone us, leave us a message. Toodly -doo.