Shameless Elle, Shaq Macs & Jane Goodall

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John, welcome to the Jann Arden podcast and show what a special day it is. It snowed again here in southern Alberta. I came home. I was in Vancouver talking to Jane Goodall. It was very, very exciting. We'll talk about that later. And I thought, Gosh, it's such a nice afternoon. It was 4pm it was like 14 degrees here yesterday, and I took all the covers off of my patio furniture. When I woke up this morning, I literally gasped this morning because there was just snow everywhere. And it really looks like Christmas. I can't even tell you. Listen enough of me moaning about the weather, I really sound like a very, very old person. I just want to say hello to Caitlin and Sarah, who are here, as always, in Toronto, and I'm west of Calgary, and today we've got a really, really great guest. I really love this woman. She makes me laugh. My god damn head off. I like anybody whose moral compass whose political savvy kind of aligns with my own. And I think we all look to find those voices in and amongst all the noise that's going on on social media. Anyway, you may already follow today's guest, I have a sneaking suspicion you might because she's about to, or has already cracked 1 million followers. I can't even fathom what that is like. We're going to talk to her about that one of Canada's fastest growing digital voices, and she breaks down really big topics, like using wit humor to tackle anything political, I think serves everybody well, because God if we can't laugh at this stuff. So she's dealing with a lot of politics right now, obviously the upcoming election, that is April the 28th and she is working on a new show. And I love this title. What the L, so please welcome l James, aka shameless L, to the Jenner podcast.

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Good day. Good day. Oh my goodness. What an introduction. So

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I don't even know how you found the time to be with us today, because anybody that knows creating a real creating content, and especially creating content on a consistent basis, it's a lot more work than people think. So how do you find the time to do all this stuff, and on top of it, you are a single

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mom. Yes, I have two boys, and most of my life is driving them from basketball practices to basketball games. But no, I, you know, I own my own business, and so that gives me a lot of freedom to set my schedule around content creation. This has become more my main income at this point, a little bit less since talking about politics, a little bit less. But you know, when I feel good about what I'm doing, and I'm proud to do that, and I mean, no matter how busy I was, I was going to make time to be on the Jen Odom podcast. I

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have learned a lot from you, because I sometimes I think, God, I've made up my mind for myriad reasons. I try and keep on top of what the policies are, what's going on, what the different parties are, you know, thinking about doing with our country, economically and socially and environmentally. But you really break it down in a way that is, it's fantastic. And I know it takes you a lot of time. It does.

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It takes me a lot of time, but I'm I started making content about politics for people like me, I've never voted in my life, really. No, I grew up in a home that just wasn't very political, and it never seemed important. It never was something that we talked about, and I never felt like Canada was at risk of being taken over by the states. And so I guess I just never paid any attention. And then the Donald Trump Kamala election happened, and I was so invested, and it was just all over my feet. And I watched everything. I really thought Kamala was gonna win, and then I was so devastated. I cried when she didn't win, and I just couldn't believe that she didn't. And then every day after that was more depressing than the next, and that made me really start paying attention and starting to see the similarities between Donald Trump and Pierre COVID, Liev and and I got more and more concerned, and that's when I just threw everything I was doing to the wayside because I thought this is more important right now. And so I started trying to learn about politics, and I didn't understand, so I had to study for like hours to try and figure it out, and then I'd ask chat GPT to explain it to me like I'm a five year old. And now that's what I do, is I break it down so that it's easier, so that it's easy to digest and something that people can take in in a couple of minutes. Sarah, you

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had your hand in the air for Elle, I'm gonna give the floor. I'm gonna hand that over to you. Sarah Burke, you have a question. You

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just kind of glazed over. The part like saying that, until you started posting about politics, things were kind of good financially. Did you get a big blow back? What happened there? So

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actually, I have more support than ever. You don't get a. Lot of interaction from mediocre opinions. Okay, so putting out comedy and just being silly, you get a lot of people sending, you know, laughing emojis, and they enjoy you, but they're not invested, right? When you start to put very controversial opinions out there, when you start to fight for politics, you will get people that hate you, that will vehemently try to defame you and bring you down. And then you'll get people that love you so dearly and just are so proud. And it is these two very opposites. And then there's people that you know hate me and want to, you know, want to attack me. So that part has actually grown. My accounts have grown. They've grown exponentially over the last couple months. But as far as my videos, like my videos would go to hundreds of 1000s, if not millions, when I was doing comedy, because it was an easy interaction, it was an easy like, it was an easy share now way less, way, way less. So I make a lot less money. But the funny thing is, is that the people that love me have have shown up in droves and sent me money. And, you know, just wanting to support they go on to buy me a coffee and send me a couple $100 from from one person. It's wild. So yes, I definitely have taken a huge loss financially from speaking about politics. But doing something that's good is not always expedient or profitable, but

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I think it's important to state your opinions really boldly, especially as a woman, and like you said, you've never voted before. It doesn't surprise me. I think apathy, as we have learned, and Al, you certainly learned this from the election in the United States, you have to imagine 75 85 million people did not vote in that country. There's probably more. They're thinking so, and you wonder what the outcome would have been if people wouldn't have been assumptive. And Caitlin has made very good points about this, about the mistakes that the Harris campaign made, the Democrats made, and it was eye opening for me, Caitlin, when you spoke about it like they made a lot of mistakes, they obviously disenfranchised a lot of angry young men that were really tired of the narrative, and not just them, but maybe, Caitlin, you can speak to that. I know you have questions for Al too, and I want to be

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fair, I also feel a little bit now to like, I think, you know, research in the moment is hard, and then you get some hindsight, which is always 2020 but I kind of feel like, in much the same way that Chrystia Freeland, who was like on with us before, you know, she was never going to get the leadership nomination, I think because she didn't have the same level of support within the party as Mark Carney does. But I also think she was going to kind of have the Trudeau sent on her a little bit, and with his approval ratings being how they were, and that's not dissimilar to what was happening with Joe Biden's administration and any incumbent administration that was coming in after the lockdowns and COVID like around the world, on any side of the equation, if you were kind of like the incumbent party, you were typically dealing with really low popularity. So I feel like she I feel like Krisha wasn't going to make it through. And that's what I think, kind of also like that Kamala, and kind of, in the end, is like your proximity to what was a very unfavorable outgoing administration. Is it strange for you to be a woman, sort of occupying a highly political space? Because there is just a different tone, a different level of vitriol and sort of language that I see used towards women when they speak up about politics than with men. I mean, men get called idiots and all this stuff, but you see some creators share DMS they've received and threats they've received, and I feel like there's a different level of intimidation attempts happening for women who do talk about this. This is

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very true. It sat me down. You know, when, when I first posted about politics, I I lost, I think, 7000 people overnight, and I just had so much hate so quickly. And I just sat back and I was like, Is this what I want like, Is this really what I'm up for? Is this what I want to deal with? But I didn't feel funny either. I didn't feel like I could just, you know, make my silly little posts and ignore what was going on in the world. I didn't think that I could look my friends, you know, in the eye, that many of them are immigrants, and say I did nothing, I said nothing with a platform as large as mine. I just sat by and watched and made my silly videos and let that possibly happen to them the way it's happening in the States. I sat back for about three days, and I just listened to Maya Angelou over and over and over again, and heard her tell me, courage is the most important virtue, because without courage, you cannot consistently be good, you cannot consistently be kind. You can't consistently practice any of the virtues without courage. And so I just kept trying to listen to that over and over and and then I just went for it. I'm not going to be quiet, because that's exactly what they want. Exactly they want women to be quiet, and women need to stand up. They need to use their voice.

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I'm told that on a consistent basis. Elle, you know when you have that kind of vitriol. Coming at you. When people are making physical threats, the stupid people always resort to physical slurs. They you know, whether you're fat or ugly or you bitch or this, I mean, the most boring insults in the world. It's like you guys are a you have no grammar skills, you can't fucking spell, and we've heard this all before, at least, get clever with your insults. You know, I had a friend of mine say to me, once you know you're on the right track. If you have people that unfollow you for an opinion, you're on the right track because you don't want those people trailing around with you through life anyway, they're doing you a huge favor. But I think when we monetize likes and when we monetize followers, and when we think about our worth in those terms, and the girls and I talk about this constantly measuring our value against people following us or hitting those hearts or making comments, it's a dangerous place to Be. So how do you kind of manage those expectations with who you are as a young woman, a mother, an entrepreneur, a business owner, treading that line carefully and knowing your worth without that. I

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mean, I was very lucky to have people even think I was funny. I never thought of myself as funny.

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You're hilarious. Well, thank you. You're absolutely hilarious. You're so dry, and your timing is fan tastic, and you have that click, click, boom, kind of humor, it really is. So it's smart. You're very smart, and I think you have to be smart to be funny.

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Thank you. I very much appreciate that. I just was bored, you know, I just, I get bored easily, and I've done a lot of odd, very odd jobs in my life, so I'm never good with just sitting and not having some new project or doing something different. And this has really tapped into a place that gave me this outlet to vomit my opinions and my, you know, weird thoughts all over the world. And strangely enough, people liked it, which was, you seemed surprised by that? Al, I mean, I was, I have to ask you about the

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stuff that you've done with Clara batten. Oh, yes, please. Clara is a UK creator. She's very funny. When you started doing impersonations of her with the with the straw, like doing the weave and trying to get the straw in your mouth, and then her responses back to you and challenging each other. And I think,

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I think either one of us could hit the million first. But of course, nobody's nobody's saying it's a race. Nobody's saying that. Oh,

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6000 behind and the rest. Oh, bless you. Doesn't matter who's counting, not me. It's not a race to 1 million. Sister, can

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you talk about that a little bit? I really love Clara, and I think the two of you are two of my favorite follows on Tiktok Clara

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and actually single mom saga I don't know if you know her, we ended up becoming friends because people pitted us against each other. I kind of got that people would constantly tag me in Clara's and single mom sagas posts and say, Oh, she's copying you. She's copying you. And so anyway, so we just ended up appreciating each other. And we were tired. We were tired of people accusing us of copying so we started making videos together. We we have a group chat where we talk daily, and single mom saga just won a bunch of awards at the cheer choice in in Vegas. And you know, we're all so happy for each other. We very much support each other and and we just don't see why people can't understand that there's room to love all of us. Oh, my god, yeah, yeah. So it's been a lot of fun, sort

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of to that point. One thing I feel like that public figures deal with on the social media side, in addition to the vitriol and everything else, is kind of these weird parasocial relationships, where some people feel like they really, really know you, and because you are naturally, obviously a sharer, and you get a lot out of it, and you've stepped into this public facing, creative space. How do you balance the people who maybe cross the line, albeit at times harmlessly, but like, who think they really, really know you like? Does that ever make you uncomfortable? Or, you know, is that ever difficult to manage? Because I feel like it would weird me out,

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yes, of course, yeah, yeah, that stuff does happen. Sometimes it's just being honest. You know, when I really think that they're a good person and I just want to tell them, like, Hey, thank you. I appreciate you. However, meeting a stranger that I know nothing about would be quite odd for me. Sometimes I just ignore them, and mostly now I don't answer DMS at all.

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I know I've been sending like, five or six or seven to you every day, like I just, I don't know why you don't want to come to the casserole thing at my church.

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I just, I can't do the DMS. How do you keep. Up with DMS.

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It's, it's freaking overwhelming. Those little blue dots on Instagram people are like, and then they'll send it in the comments. I've DM you. Have you ever gone on a date through the platform? No, okay, that's so interesting. I was dying to ask you that. No,

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I would never go on a date with anybody. That's a lie. That's a lie. There's lying. There's one guy, well, I can't say, I can't say, but there is someone that I talk to, you know regularly, and he's, he's quite interesting, but I only date people that don't live in my country, because I'm not actually ready to date. So this man does not live in Canada, and he's so funny and so genuine. And does he want $20,000 to help his sister finish nurses? Not? No. Okay, thank you, creator. Just a much more famous content creator than me. He makes a good amount of money on his own, so I think that's fantastic.

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And you have to trust your intuition sometimes too. It's just like I get a really good feeling from you. You're not creepy, you've not done anything to stop to step over line. There's

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a difference between like, talking or connecting with another content creator, because you have the same amount of view into their life as they have into yours.

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It's really interesting to watch it unfold. And it's like you said, Caitlin, you and Sarah, you guys have both been in the media for a long time. Surely, to God, you do have people coming up to you, going, I launched the podcast. I noticed that you got new classes, and you and I have our periods at the same time.

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I just find it to be a new kind of, like a new social dilemma, like, it's a new form of, sort of anti social behavior. It's interesting because I think there probably does need to be some classes in school about it, like, Hey, this is how you interact with a creator if you see them in real life or don't DM this because I just people don't know and it's new, but people feel like they really know you and you like, live in their phone. They're like, you're my phone best friend. Of course, I'm gonna tell you way too much about my life and you don't know

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me. Yeah, I thought it was so funny that I had to share this with you. So I was cutting my client's hair the other day, and I tell her, I said, Actually, I'm gonna be on the Jann Arden podcast. And she goes, No. And she's like, my mother is so in love with Jann. I bought a cameo from Jann, and she brings up the CAMEO and she shows me this cam. The cameo is like five minutes long, you gave this incredible birthday message. You fucking sang good mother. And then I realized I'm ripping people off. I've been ripping people off this whole time. They're getting, like, a minute and a half of me like, Oh, thanks, yeah. And here's Jann, you know, this Canadian icon spending five minutes singing and wishing like the most beautiful birthday wishes, like

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I enjoy the mail. Thanks for bringing that up. I donate all the money, and we've been able to help animals like all over the world, which is really cool. And much like you, I was kind of sitting there just when 2020 COVID is kind of happening, and my tour was canceled, the whole world stopped. And then someone had mentioned the CAMEO app to me, and so I started doing them, and it just kind of grew into this thing. I mean, I'm really cheap. I'm 99 bucks. I think it's in US dollars. Oh my god, I've broken up with people. I've asked people to get married. Al James, you have no idea this? Should I have done 4500 cameos?

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Oh my god, yeah, 200

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and I actually have three or four in the queue, so I do them every day. Wow, they're fun. But thanks for bringing it up. I want to ask you about your kids a little bit. What do they think about all this? Because, you know, kids are pretty sensitive. Their mom's on social media, and she's a big star. It's

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been a unique experience, that's for sure. I kept content creation a secret for a very long time. I never told anybody, no, I never told my friends or my family or nobody. You

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don't think they're gonna stumble across it. Well,

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I never thought I was gonna grow that big. You know? I was just making, like, silly videos, and then I made this one video about Shaq, and he reached out to me the next day. This is not where I thought this was going. You know, he walks in and he's got his, like, pecs out, and he's walking into the gym like this, right? And I stitch it. I'm like, can you imagine you're over at Shaq's house and his big custom made bed, and he just walks over to you like that, you're gonna get a hip replacement, like 3040, for sure, you know, being with that guy. But anyway, so I make this post, and it goes like very viral. Richard Jefferson shared it, and then that went even more viral. And then it went on to this basketball channel that had millions of followers, and it just kind of blew up overnight, and then Shaq DM me, and I look at the message and it says, Do you stay? And I'm like, did you respond? I said, you know, you messaging me has just made me the coolest mom in the whole world. And he's like, Oh, you have kids, even though

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it had to do with splitting me open, right? And. Having hip replacements. My children do not understand that part of it, but everything else is cool. Well,

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actually they do, because I've been like that my whole motherhood, you know, will pull up to the school. I'm like, Oh, it's a cute teacher over there. You should see if he can get get him my not my number, see if he's single. Anyway, Shaq went back and forth with me, and he sent me some videos for my kids and and then he's like, Do your kids have laptops? And I'm like, no, like, Why would my kids have laptops? Did he buy them laptops? He sent them to MacBooks. I knew it. Yes, he did. He sent them their shack Macs. That's what they call them. And, you know, so all of this has been, it's been very interesting for the kids. I mean, they're embarrassed because, like, you know, my son is, is just about 16, and his friends will, like, send my videos, you know, where I'm, like, drooling over some hunk or, or, you know, saying something really embarrassing. And he's like, don't send me. My mom's any house. But anyways, it's, yeah, they're embarrassed, but also proud.

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I like the fact that, you know, women like you, I think are opening a lot of doors to be able to be flirtatious, to express your sexuality, to express humor through, you know, sensuality and kind of, you know that flirty, kind of hot, fun thing without feeling like I think there's a lot of slut shaming. I'm just gonna say that, and I think to see like you said, you mentioned Clara, you mentioned single mom saga of women that are bringing so much fun and frivolity and playfulness to something that otherwise, you know, not so many decades ago, would really be perceived very differently than it is now. So you guys are all killing it in that department, because I love it. I mean, I'm not even a straight person, but I appreciate the playfulness and the hilarity of it,

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you know, I love it. I'm definitely a thirsty person, you know? I love men. I love the way they look. I love when they do things well, you know. And the funny thing is, is that men have loved my channel. They have loved my channel because they love the way they feel when a woman is oogling them and thinking that they're gorgeous. And the funny thing is that when I switched to politics. It was the very same thing that they used to, to shame me and to say, like, you know what? Go back to your stupid, thirsty videos. Go back to this, you know, like you are better at drooling over men, you you know, s, l, U, T, you know, this kind of thing. And I say, oh, so are you celibate? Do you need to be celibate to think about politics? Is that? What's going on here, you know, and it's just shut them up real quick, because it's the first thing they use. It's the first thing they used in the US election as well. You know, here we've got Donald Trump. That's, you know, a convicted felon, somebody that has assaulted a woman that has talked about, you know, dating his own daughter, and then they try to slut shame Kamala from just sleeping with a man. And I just thought, wow, it's still 1960 you know, they still go after the very same thing. Oh, she slept with a man. What a what a whore like. It's like, okay, all right. Are you in Vancouver proper? No, I'm not. I'm in the Okanagan,

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you're in the okanagans, yeah, you're in Kelowna, yes, just outside of Kelowna. Okay. Well, listen, if you want to come and see my show, because I'm playing in a winery somewhere, somewhere in there, yeah, I'll get you a couple

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tickets. Yeah, I'll DM you love to. I have one question, yes. So your song, good mother, became the anthem for Canada recently, like, how did, how was that for you? What did that feel like? Well, Caitlin

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and Sarah were keeping me abreast, you know, what's going on? I had no idea what was going on, and I was so perplexed by it. And then I'm thinking, What? What is happening with the song thrown out, with all the rusted, Tangled, goddamn miseries. So they grabbed the throne out. It started with Diet Coke, yep. And it started with a drag queen and a really talented singer named dusty queen, and it just went from there. So my for you page, I was just like, it was almost embarrassing. I thought I better join in on this trend. So I sang a version of good mother. But it was really exciting. I thought, what a great thing to be part of. To feel like I felt like a reborn. I felt like Kate Bush felt when, you know, running up that hill went viral on Stranger Things, or, you know, I just felt like, Oh, my God, this is what

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Kate Bush felt like. Yeah, I did a version of it too. Just

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fantastic. I'm such an idiot. I didn't even really understand it until someone pointed out, no, no, they're throwing shit out, Jan. I'm like, Okay, I've got it now. I finally understand. But yeah, thank you. That's pretty cool. Listen, Al James, you're conquering the world. I can't wait to see what you do next. And please stay happy. Please stay positive. I'm so glad that you got check Max and that people are sending you money to to keep doing shit. And I really, really hope that what the L gets some traction. On behalf of the Jarden podcast, thank you very much for taking time out for us today. We appreciate it more than you know. Thank you so much.

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Welcome back to the Jan Arden Podcast. I'm here with Caitlin and Sarah l James. She's kicking ass and taking names, literally the shack stuff, literally Shaquille O'Neal showing up in your DMS. Should I stay or should I run out of the room? That is hilarious. I'll tell you what it is, what millions and millions of women all over the world have asked themselves, in kind of a weird way,

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yeah, like privately joked about with friends, especially sometimes, as I recall, because when she was telling the story, I was like, oh yeah. There have been a lot of photos of him that have gone viral when he's with a partner, and the partner is particularly small. And I will, yeah. And

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you think, what? What happens here? I mean, women do think of that. I have my own Shaquille O'Neal story. Oh, way back in the day, early 90s, at the A and M lot, which used to be the Muppet studio for a while. It was Charlie Chaplin studio back in the day, it's a it's a really, really famous spot on La Brea and A and M Records was there for quite a few years. I'd probably think, like 15 years it was there anyway, Shaquille O'Neal, I think he was doing music of some kind in the mid 90s, and he had a red BMW, like a beautiful car. It would be parked right in the middle of the inside of the building so they would open up the gates for Shaquille. He didn't have to find no parking spot, nowhere. And he drove his car in, and I saw him get out of this car, and he really is massive. The car had no back seats. So this modified BMW had two seats that took up the whole body of the car. So no back seats. The trunk kind of became where he was leaning back in these red, custom, beautiful leather, you know, seats, and him getting out of that it was just like a two door, but the door even had been modified to so instead of a, even if it was a two door, the doors were welded out, and then these other massive the whole side of the car opened, and he just kept standing up. He just got out of that car, and he started going up and standing up. And I just remember standing there, and I bet you My mouth was literally hanging open, and he seemed really friendly with everybody. He was like, talking everybody. That's my shack story. I didn't think about his penis once. And I mean that, I didn't think about it, it didn't cross my mind. And that's that's all I have to say about that. I probably should have but I didn't.

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Jen, we're both dying to hear about Jane Goodall. Please tell us about Jane Goodall. Our Patreon. Yes,

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I spoke to Jane Goodall for the second time. I went into her dressing room, and she was she's 91 years old, and she was having little crackers and little nuts and just going over what she was going to do for the evening. But still being in her presence is just like I sat down on a couch beside her and

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just remind us what the event is. For those who don't remember she

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really is celebrating the roots and shoots program that she does. She's, she's talking about, obviously, the environment. She's inspiring people about hope. Obviously, we're living in times where we have very right wing parties that are literally telling us we're going to dig more, we're going to start coal mining, we're gonna, you know, break the crust in the bottom of the ocean. We're going to mine gold or whatever precious metals off the fucking moon. There's some really unhinged ideas out there. Obviously, the thought of drilling into the moon and breaking up a moon that's responsible for our gravitational pull, human life would not exist without our little moon going like there's people just doing reckless, reckless things. And she's out there talking about that, and she's talking about,

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did she say anything about Katy Perry being sent to space? Or it hadn't happened

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yet? We need to talk. Well, I'm putting a pin in that. We need to talk about the Blue Origin flight from now. Anyways. Okay, back to Jamie. Maybe

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the Blue Origin flight from hell could be part of the Patreon, but we can certainly speak about it to about it today. We might be running a bit long, but anyways, Jane was it's amazing being in a room with someone with an energy that is other worldly. The way people respond to her, the requests they get for people to meet Jane, people that want to give things to her. Her. They want to talk to her. They just want to be around her. I would say it's almost like a religious experience, in a way. I would liken it to what Confucius or Jesus or Buddha or Muhammad or any of the prophets had, because they're peaceful warriors. You don't see her running around swearing or doing things or being aggressive. She's a peaceful war. She's like Gandhi. She speaks through sensibility, she speaks through integrity and intelligence, and she's willing to sit down at a table, whether it's Trump or what she spoke to Trump a little bit how dangerous he was, how dangerous those kinds of politics were. And you know, when you have a person that is, you know, climate change be damned, and we know how real it is, and when you literally have men that are saying it's not real, they're just she spoke to that. The crowd went wild. They clapped. She's definitely not siding with that kind of thinking. Anyway, she's one of the most special humans, really, of our century, she's been alive as long as all of us have. I don't know a world without Jane Goodall and her advocacy. And she spoke about eating plants. She spoke about being vegan. It was really important to me, and it is just something that has to happen. 70% of the land on this planet is being used for animal agriculture, and it's not food that we're eating. It's ridiculous and it's cruel. And now they're building 30 story buildings in China. They have them operating already that are pork pigs in there suffering. What do you think you're making socks? It's fucking disgusting, and you people should be in fucking jail, period. So anyway, she's she would never, but I'm not. Jane Goodall, this is me. Jane is the last of her kind. I asked her about mortality. I asked her about, you know, what's what happens? Do you think about dying? And she said, Well, there's either nothing, or there's something very, very very extraordinary. And I happen to think there's something very, very extraordinary. And so she's going to keep going until she dies. She's going she travels 300 days a year.

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That's crazy

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to me. Same that's more than a touring musician, yeah? Well,

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yeah, we were in our text group, and I was asking Jan how, like, how it went. And you were like, she is 91 years old, and she's on the road more than you are, and you're on the road a ton. And I'm never on the road, and I never want to be just

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reading the texts. I'm

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tired from going to Vancouver and back. Yeah,

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I'm tired from scrolling like truly Jane is then the last time there

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is. She's the last, she's the last of them. And she's very, I said, you know, is the roots and shoots. She goes, that's the most important thing to me. And it's programs for young people. There's 75 chapters, I believe, all over the world. And it's, you know, people, children of all ages, but young adults as well. And they do projects in sort of a it's a trifecta, basically a project that would involve human beings, a project that would involve animals, and a project that would involve the environment. And they work on three sort of together. And, you know, they're always looking for money. Obviously, an event that those events that Jane are doing is to raise money for the Jane Goodall Foundation, and hence the The Roots and Shoots programs. We'll put a link in

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the show notes. If anyone wants to check it's a great name. It's such a great name, I feel

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like we should not end on that note. Spring is coming. Well, spring

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is coming. Listen, Jane Goodall, speaking of Roots and Shoots, yeah, Jane Goodall is the most hopeful person in the world. I mean, she she has had to look at dire things, but she is optimistic. She believes in people. She believes in young people. She believes in in you know, hope is a verb. It's an action word. Hope is not an idea that is a dormant thing that you think is gonna fucking appear like a rabbit out of a hat. Hope requires skill ideas. Anyway, yeah, spring is here. It's not here. It's coming.

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I agree that spring has been playing hard to get like, we've had snow here in Toronto, and then two days later it's like 15 degrees, and we're like, oh, is it here? And then the next day it's cold again. But I wanted to ask you guys, what are your favorite things that you do? You know spring is there? When, when

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I start seeing little buds, little leaves coming out on the trees here, and it happens in a mat, four or five days, you just see these little green, sticky, you know, the little sticky, wicky things. That's not amazing, yes, yeah, all sudden it just starts coming out there. Ain't none of that. Trust me, I go around the yard and I touch the little things. And I'm like, No, they're not sticky yet. There's nothing happening. No, they're not even

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coming here, Crocs and sport mode, just sport

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mode. Crocs, and I've probably got red shorts on with holes in the ass and my bucket of seeds.

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You also told us that you have, like, a problem, like a power washing addiction. Is it power wash season? Yet? I. I'm

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really careful. I mean, I wish you had your own power washer. Wait, wait, wait, yes, I wear them out, but I have to be careful. I will do 15 or 20 minutes. I'm on a well, so it's not like and I'm really conscious of water use. So as much as you picture me out there just going hell bent for leather, I am very mindful, so I have to be quick. I'm like, one of those people that pulls the car into those car washes that you can put a tuning in. Like I have been known to wash my entire car and rinse it for $4 that's how fast I go. But then I think I'm saving water too. Soap, soap, soap, soap, soap suds, Sud, Sud suds. I hit the button, I switch it into rinse, rinse, mode, and I am out of there.

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Car washing is a big one. Love going through, although I hate the line waiting for the car wash because the sun's out on the first day and you've got, like, the lineup around the block, and you're like, come on. So you're going to the one where you stay in the car. I go to the one that stay in the car, but Jan does it herself. I go to the one

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where you get out of the car and it goes through. And you've done that too. You can watch it because times a year will get scared in the one where you stay sat in the car, and usually we're all together. So So Sarah's child also does this, and so we will go to the car wash, where they you watch the car go through the little conveyor belt. He loves watching that part. And then they take it around and kind of detail the inside. But I watched them take out the mats, the winter mats. And I'm a cleaning Oh, and I'm a cleaning person. I love cleaning so much. It's like a weird kink. And I watched them take out these, like, salt and mud covered winter mattes feel good, or wash them. I nearly, like, gave them a standing ovation when they were done. Like, I feel like Kyle was like, are you okay?

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In my world, they're about to be covered with like, soot from baseball season. So it's like, it's a toss up in that sense. But I always look forward to taking my golf clubs and my baseball gear out of storage and putting I just leave them in my trunk for the entire season. Now you're Kyle,

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because Kyle, this is the season when the golf clubs start to live in the back of our car, and I can just hear them rattling around in the trunk. And I'm like, unless you are going golfing today, get those things out of there, because the sound is driving me crazy. Do you have any

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idea how hard it is to lug those things in and out of storage? Kyle and I deserve no,

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I don't. It's none of my business.

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So look, I never have my clubs in my car. They're just sitting in the garage. I put them in when I need them, when I take them out, when I don't need

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them. When do the golf courses open? Generally, probably in the

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next couple of weeks. There's, there's, I mean, they've just been screwed this year. There's some that tried to open two weeks ago, and they've just been

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fucked. We got ours open. They're just like, I mean, they're not you guys are so much further

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south than us. Like, you gotta picture where you are, you are three, probably 300 miles more south than like Calgary. Is just not happening here. Did you get your winters off yet or not yet? It's two. I have all season radials, okay, right? But I'm telling you, I was told to get my tires changed. So that's what they told me the last time that I was in my my what I'll go like, twice a year for little tubes and stuff. Yeah, they're just like, you need to change your tires. And if I do change my tires, which I have to in the next three weeks, I already know where I'm going to get my tires, and I'll be going to fountain tires because they have a sale. But the guy was so disappointed. He just thought I was going to sign off, because it's where I lease my car, right? Yes, and he wasn't when I said I'm actually going somewhere else. He goes, Can I ask where you're going? I'm going to fountain tire.

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You're like, I have a tire sponsor. Excuse me, I said that. But he

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goes, that's fair. He goes, that's fair. It's way less expensive to go to fountain, and they do have a sale. I'm doing it all well because

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there's additional discount for non drivers who just want to feel included.

38:48  
Okay, wait how you can go in and probably

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get a complimentary drink. Okay,

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cool. I'm going with the license situation. You have to not doing anything.

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I've had my like, I've had my g1 and I need to book driving classes. You know, my illness record in the winter, and it just felt very like out of reach. And also, I didn't know if I really wanted to be doing it in the winter, because, have you seen some of those cars that they use for the driving schools? No a bald or tire or a smaller, sea worthy car? I have never seen like, these cars are just, I'm like, How is this on the road? So I'm gonna go, now that it's summertime, and I feel like I'm more inclined to, I don't know, go outside. I

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need me to take you for a spin. I am happy to, I would never subject you to that.

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So I did ask on Patreon, what else people were excited about for spring. How you know it's spring. And we also got a couple voice notes that I have ready to go here. What a day this is. So let's read some comments. Okay, Heidi mcgoss is cleaning out seasonal flower pots. I love that. And Janine says, windows down, sunroof open, singing at the top of my lungs, hopefully. Jen Arden, yes. Jen Arden tape, Debbie says, you know, spring is here when you notice all the work around the house and property that needs to be done, you can relax and enjoy the outdoors. I'm feeling my 69 years so I make sensible lists in priority, promising myself not to go ape shit and then suffer physical consequences. I hear you, girl, when all the shoes are at the front door right like, especially with the Canadian climate, you know, you maybe need muck locks and sandals and flip flops all in the same week, rubber boots, golf shoes. Would you like to hear some voice notes? Yes,

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please. You know, if I don't hear voice notes every week I actually leave here a little bit depressed. Hi Jan Caitlin

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and Sarah. I'm so excited to leave this message. I'm My name is Joy, and I'm from Ontario, and I've been listening to the podcast right from the beginning, Jan, I've followed your music career, and loved it. From day one, Caitlyn, I've been following you for a while, since you were on the radio, and Sarah, you've opened up a whole new world to me on women in media. It's quite interesting. I just wanted to call I just finished listening to last week's podcast, and I'm a little bit of a Bravo girl, just like Caitlin, and I am so excited to hear that you guys are interviewing Carl Radke anyhow. Thanks, ladies. Keep up the great work. Love it. Take care. Thank

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you. Thank you, Joy. Carl was amazing. If you haven't had a chance to listen to the summer house star Carl Radke and his amazing journey. You can go on to any of your streamers and go back and listen to that episode. It's he was really great. He was very vulnerable, very real about his stuff.

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Hello there. This is Tracy sending you a voice note from north of Toronto. I live on a farm with some horses, and I just wanted to say, I love the podcast, and I relate to a lot of things that you say, Jan, because I'm also single, no kids. I live out in the middle of nowhere here on my farm, and I just turned 60, and I appreciate the things that you say, because sometimes I feel like I'm the only one. I also wanted to give a shout out to Sarah, because you inspired me to buy a ticket to a concert. I'm someone that goes to lots of concerts all the time, but I find as I've gotten older, I don't have as many friends that like the same kind of music as I do, and I've often wanted to go to a concert, but I didn't because I didn't want to go by myself. But there was an episode A while ago now where you had mentioned how you go to concerts by yourself all the time, so it sort of gave me the inspiration to be a braver and not touch your chicken shit, and I bought a ticket to go see a wall nation. And if you're not doing anything, you're welcome to come with me. Thanks again for everything. Ladies. Love the podcast. That's really

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cool. I'm Yvonne proudly, age 61 and married almost 38 of those years. We live in rural southwestern Ontario. I'm a retired literacy program coordinator, and my husband and I share crop our farm. A while ago, I saw your post about cancer, and I'm so sorry that you're having to go through this with people you care about. It was weird when I saw the post, because I've been psyching myself up to send a voicemail about that very thing. I want to say thank you to all three of you, because you got me through the worst time in my life. My husband was diagnosed with prostate cancer, and we found out after surgery that it had spread. He's had radiation and hormone treatments, and we hope we're through the worst. Now, I was used to walking with my husband, but he wasn't up to it, so I took you guys with me. You're a great company and a good distraction. You made me laugh and think about normal life events, and I was out getting exercise, walking beside the river, watching the birds and taking care of myself. People always asked how they could help, and I never knew what to say. It's really hard to ask for what you need for some reason. But in spite of that, we had a lot of help from friends and family. Our two sons were a big support. My husband is a very strong and otherwise healthy man, so we put our focus there. Treatment is ongoing, so this is a journey, not a destination, but I believe all will be well. I've learned a lot about having patience. Thank you again for all the hard work you put into your podcast. I want you to know what a positive impact it has had on my life as I don't know how I would have made it through the last year without you love to all

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I know. I'm like, uh, Yvonne, you're making me cry. That's

44:48  
so sweet. She's like, I mean, literacy, teacher, storyteller, look at us. Caitlin. Like, I know, I know that I cry the drop of a hat, to be totally honest, which is a surprise to many hormonal i. But

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it's like it is important to fill your heart, your mind, your time with distractions. You can't be hyper focused on someone who's going through that, and nor do they want you to be. Thank you so much for your message. It was lovely, and it reminds me to be, you know, to keep my focus on positive things and to be distracted and do things that I like to do. Because, yes, my friend Lisa, she has her huge consult today. She's very, very scared, and, yeah, she's been waiting she was diagnosed in January, but there's so much pathology. We're a little backed up here in Alberta, as we are across the country, but they're doing the best they can. And Lisa said, I don't know if I will talk to you guys today. She goes, you might not hear from me for a couple of days. And I'm like, okay, I get it. I said, I'll be here whenever you want to call me or whatever. So Yvonne, that means the world. And keep taking this with you. We'll, we'll always have we'll, we will run the gamut of things that we talk about. I've sworn a fair amount today, but we will just, we're gonna leave it there. That was a really, really great note to leave on. We want to thank all our Patreon members. We are slowly, slowly climbing up there. My goal is to get us up to 1000 of my my beloved only Jans and Caitlin and Sarah and I just appreciate you more than you know. It does cost money, and it's a lot of work to put this content together week after week, and what your little gift does for us every month is it really helps us to make this possible. And obviously we just want to keep growing. We have some live events that are going to be coming up this year. We're going to talk more about that in the next few weeks, but, yeah, you can download us subscribe to our YouTube channel. We're going to be on there. It's kind of fun to look at our expressions and how great we look all the time. I usually look like I've been mining for potatoes, but I'm very conscious of not picking my nose and stuff. Back in the old day, I could do that kind of thing, but now can't get away with it. So thank you to all our only Jans, and if you're not a Patreon member, $5 a month or $7 a month to be part of our book bag, our monthly book club, which is really fun. We do an event once a month where we just do a big zoom call. And we have a whole bunch of us that just get on there. You can participate if you want, you can ask a question, make a comment if you want, or you can just sit and watch. You can sit and hang out, yeah, and listen to about a book that we've got.

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What are we talking about on on Patreon today, Blue Origin today, we're

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going to talk about the flight from hell. We're going to talk about, have we set women back 300 years? Or what have we done here? And is, does Katy Perry just keep getting more annoying? And you know, maybe there's some of you that really enjoyed what went on. I'm not one of those people.

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I'd love to hear from all one of you, if that's the case.

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And the sex thing, what's the sex thing? We have too. You know

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the show succession? Well, this is sex session. This

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is a sex session. So this is, like the there's been this long standing concept in economics that there are varying cultural recession indicators, so we're wondering if there perhaps is a sexual one happening. Currently, I couldn't

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have any less sex than I already do, so I don't know how this is gonna affect my life anyway. Thanks for listening to the Jan Arden podcast, we appreciate you. Caitlin green, Sarah Burke, as usual, I'm very, very happy to be working with these girls week after week. We'll see you next time Look after yourselves. To do you.

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