Thanksgiving Really Took a Turn

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The Jann Arden podcast with Caitlin green and Sarah Burke, we're back.

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Don't blow your voice out. No, that

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was it. That was it. That's

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it. That's all for today.

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I've had a cold since I saw you guys last time, which was our live event. Tell me everything you guys. Tell me your experiences, what you thought, what we could have done better, what we sucked at, what we were great at.

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And here we have another team meeting, apparently. Yeah,

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I loved seeing everyone in person. I really want to shout out that venue that was ADA studios in universal music's offices in Liberty Village, here in Toronto, and they are spectacular and really a place where you feel like it's put together. That's my label. Yes, your label. And it's like, it's like, obviously it's Universal Music. They love music, but it's like, someone put this together who has some real creativity, because there's little details. It just looks wonderful. And the quality of the video and the audio there for a live space that was, in my mind, kind of going to be a dice roll. And it was fantastic.

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Yeah, yeah, it was. It was cool having all those components already locked and loaded in the building. We didn't have to, we didn't have to unpack anything. We didn't bring anything with us. It's crazy. It really was very delightful and good people and the chairs from Massey Hall, anyone who's from the Toronto area, you know that Massey Hall underwent like a $200 million I'm probably really exaggerating, but huge Reno several years ago. Lot of farts in those seats over the years. As we know, if you sat at a Massey Hall chair, you were like, these are 8090, year old chairs. Anyway, they bought, like, 100 of them, and they are placed sort of strategically at the back. And they really bring an energy with them. I mean, imagine what those chairs have seen.

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Oh, they're so cool and like and they have them up on the ceiling, sort of in this art installation, way above the area where the bar is. And then behind the bar you'll see a neon sign. And it's, it says, No dress rehearsal. This is our life, a quote from The Tragically Hip. And they actually put together the light fixture there in the same handwriting as Gord Downie did for his original lyrics for that song. So real effort being made. It feels special. It's nice because it's on the ground floor. It's right when you walk in. And it was so nice to meet all of the all the only Jans and all the Jan fans. And it's cool to be in front of a live audience. I haven't done that since I was doing radio, and we have, we would have live broadcasts occasionally, and it just feels fun to hear the immediate laugh at something. We

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were hilarious,

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according to them. Yeah.

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I mean, they just laughed at everything, and we learned a lot. We obviously wanted to start small. Sarah and Chris, just a little shout out to you guys for, you know, the tickets and the wrangling everyone in and scanning everyone's tickets to come in on Eventbrite. And it was, it was pretty incredible just to see everything kind of work. From a technical end, I was so happy, because we didn't want 130 people standing outside, going, the scanner's not working. We don't there's double tickets of everything. But yeah, everyone got their gift bag. So a shout out to our sponsors. Hey, Sarah,

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oh yeah, I want to even start with dog father, because, you know, they stepped up last minute, and in 24 hours, had delivered what they needed for the gift bags. Basma beauty, happy pops and Cove. How can we forget Cove? We're never gonna forget Cove. Yeah, we're in bed with Cove for life. Well, it's my

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longest relationship, and even a chili can of Cove up next to me in my bed, I'll take it. Cove cans aren't the greatest Spooner, but I'm hoping that they have bottle like glass additions maybe in the next 10

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years. A friend of the show, Tommy Smythe, I just recorded a new episode of his podcast. Trust me, I'm a decorator. The other day, and he was talking about the design firm that did the space at Universal, and how they brought in an actual design firm for that and a group of people that he completely admires. As you know, he's a design sort of nut in that way. So if you want to hear more about literally that, because we're doing an event with Tommy coming up on october 28 then, yeah,

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there's a few tickets still available for that. So you can go to event right for, trust me, I'm a decorator with Debbie Travis and Tommy, yeah, and on one of our favorite podcast networks, the women in media Podcast Network. But yeah, it's tried and true now, and I hope that you guys will have equally as a fun night as we did anyway. Moving on, lots of things to talk about today, in particular, Milton. Hurricane. Milton has been really, my gosh, tragically, gut wrenching to watch on four. Old. And if, if the girls are anything like me, and I know they are, we've been kind of doing all the social media as well as the news. Tiktok is a really interesting format to listen to people's testimonials, how they're preparing. You have a million people trying to leave the Tampa area of Florida, heading north. So they're trying to get to Georgia. They're trying to get out of there. And one story I've been following in particular is a woman with three kids, her husband, two dogs and a cat, you know, kind of the American, all American family. They drove six hours yesterday. They were panicking. There was no gas anywhere. They were trying to get to Georgia, to a relative in Georgia. They turned around. They calculated that they could get back, they could manage to get back home, because the highway going the other way, they literally crossed the ditch and they headed back to town. But they've gone home. They were too worried about being stuck with no gasoline, stranded on the highway with the kids and the dogs, and when a hurry, they they literally thought it would be better. They would be better served to go back and hunker down. They're a little bit inland in Tampa, but still could very, very well be facing 2345, foot storm surges. So what are you guys taking away from this? And I'm really glad that I don't live in a hurricane area or a tornado air. Well, there is a few tornadoes around here. But what? What tales of peril these people are painting.

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I can't believe that the also, too, when you think about this. So Tampa and Sarasota, the Gulf side of Florida, are getting the direct hit, which is uncommon. Like the west coast of Florida does not normally get this direct of a hit. So, and Tampa's big, like Tampa's, you know, they have, we have, like, in Toronto, it's like the GTA. So the Tampa equivalent of, like, the whole GTA all, like lock stock, is 3.3 million people. Jesus, so it's a ton of people. Sarasota is a big place. And I've been to Sarasota, yeah. And Sarasota is very popular with, uh, snowbirds. So a lot of Canadians own property down there, and again, not their primary residence. So this is not a life endangering situation, but for people who maybe bought that for not very much money, and are now going to incur a lot of damage to it and might be retired, living on a fixed income all the rest of it, it's going to be very difficult. And I don't I mean, can you probably even get insured there anymore after this, I

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would not not with Hurricane insurance. I don't think flooding would be a possibility. It is impossible for an insurer, even a huge insurer, to undertake those kinds of damages. It would the company would fold. It would be billions and billions of dollars. So FEMA is trying to step up and do the best they can to help people prepare, but it is a shit show.

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This was years ago, during one of the presidential runs, and there was a candidate who was running for the Democratic nominee, so he didn't, he wasn't, in the end, the nominee. He was one of like 10 people who were trying to do this, Andrew Yang, and one of the things he discussed was re allocating a lot of FEMA funding to relocating people, saying, Let's get them out of there. Let's move them inland. Let's move a lot of people who are in these regions where we know climate change is past the point of no return, and they're going to either in California, slide off into the ocean, deal with wildfires, deal with hurricanes, flooding, whatever the case may be, we need to come to terms with the very sad fact that living in these places is going to be incredibly difficult in the next several decades. And I have to wonder how many people are going to start opening themselves up to that line of thinking if they reside in these areas, because at the time, no one wanted to hear it. It's a depressing thing to hear that your best option is to leave the place that you've lived.

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I don't know if I would do it. Caitlin, I don't know if I would get up and leave. Sorry. You know, there's so many people that are saying I know we're supposed to go, and I know this is really dangerous, but we don't have a choice. But having said that, there is a million people that in the last 72 hours have left. And let's keep in mind, folks, just two weeks ago they go, they were hit with the big H. You know, Helena came through there. And just the damage even going into the Carolinas has been so catastrophic. I, of course, I watch all these animal sanctuaries and just people waiting in up to their collarbones to get horses out of of barns and stuff. It's heroic. I mean, I love the fact that no matter what your political affiliation is, people really come together in these times. And I think it really shows communities what they're made of, and that they can drop those ideas. And then we've got fucking Trump running around saying that FEMA is not helping Republican areas, that FEMA is actually spending money helping immigrant families. He's lying, lying, lying, I'm. Fucking sick of him and the outrageous things that he the fear mongering that he does. He knows exactly what he's doing to these poor people, making them believe these absolute falsehoods. And I just, I just fucking hope she beats him. I just think he's a disgusting person. The vitriol grows in me. I don't understand how you could vote for him, folks, I don't understand. You know what it comes down to at the end of the day, no matter what political thing is going on, character, character, character, some kind of ethics, some kind of ethics. And character that cares about each other and care actually cares about their country, their well being, their standing in in the international community, their stand on climate change. If this isn't a an indicator, you've had two massive hurricanes in two weeks, it's not common. Even though it's hurricane season the size of these it's because of the the heat in the Gulf of Mexico, the heat of the ocean. Anyway, I'm sorry to be so mad, but I just, I went to bed last night. I spoke to Chris for quite a while on the phone, and he told me to be hopeful. I just said, Oh God, I gotta stop looking at polls and I gotta stop but I know I'm not the only one, so I'm saying this to you guys, because I know you're out there looking at this stuff as much as I am

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on this exact topic, like Caitlin threw in our prep sheet that Kamala was on call her daddy. Very cool. I think what's so cool about that is that Alex Cooper as the host of that podcast, she recognizes that politics is not something she covers on her podcast. So there's her as a podcast host taking a chance to say this is important right now, and maybe half of her audience would prefer Trump over Kamala to be on her podcast. She also put the the reach out to Trump's team, saying, I'll have you too if you want to have a proper, really genuine conversation, but this is the only way it happens, right? So she's being very fair about it, but also taking a chance, knowing her listenership is normally not even interested in politics. I just also admire it,

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making a very brave step forward of saying, this is where I'm going. And I mean, that's what came across to me. I listened to the show. It was great, a it was fantastic. And there was a lot of subtleties. And like you said, it was very non partisan, because she did put it out to the Trump people. One of the interesting things coming out of the Trump camp, and this is not just the daddy podcast. This is also, you know, very mainstream, like, 60 minutes, yeah, well, but I'm talking about what the Trump camp has said to them. Well, we're not doing it because you're fact checking. President Trump doesn't want to be fact checked. He doesn't think that's fair. And the 60 minutes, guys, he was so funny. He was just saying, Yes, we are a new show. We Fact Check everyone. We will be fact checking Kamala Harris, like, I'm sorry, whatever show this is, we just don't fucking put it on there and verbatim. Oh, it's because you said so. But it's so funny that his actual team is saying, Well, Mr. Trump doesn't want to be fact checked. Yeah,

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of course, he doesn't, and it's because it's not it's not gone well for him when that has happened. It's not gone well for his running mate. JD Vance, when that has happened. So I thought the vice presidential debates were, you know, interesting, and I cannot recommend listening to Pete Buttigieg on Ezra Klein's podcast. Highly enough. It was a fantastic conversation. And Pete Buttigieg is sort of now the lead, I would almost say, the lead Communicator of the Democratic Party. I mean, he will go on Fox News. He will go anywhere, and he can so skillfully convey a message, logically supported with facts and historical experiences and precedent. And I take so much information in Whenever he speaks. So if you're kind of wondering a lot about the US election right now, which I think many people in Canada are, because it's going to impact us. It's, it's challenging. It's already impacted us, for sure.

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Look at our political climate. Look at what's happening in the House of Commons. Caitlin, oh,

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I go like, I mean, as in the Trumpism of everything, yes, of course, impacted, you know, everyone around the world, right? It's, it's its own movement, and it has legs, and it resonates for whatever reason, with a lot of people, so it's going to spread. But I more mean, like they're our largest trading partner, and Trump is running on a platform where he says he's going to enact massive tariffs, not just on China, although it's really aimed at them directly, but it will impact us. And I mean, if everyone is complaining about inflation, I think the estimation was that for the US citizens, these tariffs on goods will result in an added expense of $3,900 a year on average per household, because where they get that from the price of those goods is going to go up. So what everyone needs to understand is that it's nice to SAT. It's nice sounding to say, Oh, we're going to charge these countries and we're going to put tariffs. On their products. That's Canada, by the way, everyone that's us, so they're our biggest trading partner. So he's talking about making our exports more expensive to go there. But then even for his own voters, he's saying, no, no, this isn't going to get passed off to you. Yes, it is. They're going to raise prices.

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So he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about ever. Well, he

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does know what he's talking about, though he knows that this is a successful line, because it's an us versus them. No.

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But I mean, as far as he doesn't understand the impact on the everyday citizen, he's telling them it's not going to affect Americans. Oh, this won't bug you guys. Yes, it will.

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I think he does know that, though that's nobody's lying

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to them. He doesn't give a fucking shit about them. He will say whatever he needs to say to get that vote. Yeah,

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it's working. And they've, they've, this is all very well researched, like they know what's going to work with people and what's going to resonate and what isn't He's crazy. And so it's, it's going to be, it's going to be a busy friggin month, because they are both going to be doing the rounds of media, and he'll be doing his own very specific, catered to him rounds of media, but again, like he's in Mar a Lago, he's in Florida. He has a lot of supporters in Florida, and I wonder how they will feel, if at all, any different after the this recent round of hurricanes, because I know that there was a representative in Florida who is sort of part of his new right movement. Her name is Paulina Luna, and she she needs FEMA support now, but she voted against a FEMA aid in like, their most recent vote for this, she's voted against her own constituents who are now, you know, being affected by Helene and then Milton. So it doesn't it just doesn't make sense. A lot of it just really doesn't make sense. And I think maybe we do need to return to some sort of mandatory education when it comes to local governments and like, small government, because I don't think people really understand how it works. So then you're it's easy to sway you with emotions and to be taken advantage of, instead of to really say, actually, I think you should probably know the difference between your MP and your city councilor. There's

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a very interesting thing going on in Norway and Scandinavia is so ahead of the curve in a lot of ways, and they have their own problems too. There's right wing guys you know running for local and federal office all the time. But anyway, what they're doing at this one particular school in Norway is there's a class, and this is for young people. These are 910, 11 year old kids of how to recognize fake news. And it's a class on critical thinking, media literacy, yeah, and media literacy, exactly Caitlin, and they are having so much success with it, the kids are going home to their parents and saying, No, that's not real. And this is how you look. This is how the signs of how it where it comes from. You know. Anyway, I just thought it was such an interesting thing that is going to be a necessity for young people to engage their critical thinking, to really sift through what's real, what isn't real, what's partially true, and to be able to make decisions based on something that's not corrupting their minds anyway. The

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thing too is, like a lot of the older voters, their social media literacy is incredibly low, and so they are victims of misinformation campaigns. Care of social media statistically above any other group, and they're targeted constantly, right? And it's because they didn't grow up with it. And so their notion is that, you know, I'm seeing this on Facebook, on an account that looks like the Today Show, but it's really just called today and it has no affiliation with the Today Show. So they're easily fooled into thinking these are reputable. My parents wouldn't have known. Of course, I think it's an unrealistic expectation, but it just it's like, yeah, that's why we kind of got to get in there with the kids and tell them, like, let's be a little more skeptical about all this

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stuff. Caitlin will also be teaching that course next semester.

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I should I teach it? You teach podcasting. I'll teach media literacy,

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and I will just teach people how to marinate mushrooms.

Thank you very much. By the way, Caitlin sent me a recipe on Instagram a couple days ago, and it's kind of like mushroom skewers. It's oyster mushrooms and shiitake mushrooms all these, and they're marinated. I've got mine in the fridge right now, marinating, really. And I bought some beautiful Turkish flatbread. I made vegan tzatziki this morning, because my friends are coming for dinner. I'm going to put them on the grill, on little skewers. I'm doing a whole bunch of caramelized onions. I'm making a huge Caesar salad. And anyways, we're having the grilled Nan with all these mushrooms that are going to be meaty and savory and a little bit sweet. There's like maple syrup in there. So thank you, Caitlin, anyone's looking for plant based meal ideas,

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you should throw the recipe link in Patreon.

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I will send it to you.

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Yeah, it's from Molly baz Do you know. Her at all. She has a cookbook she was from. Okay, well,

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thank you. Thank you, Holly. Yeah, no, Molly, Molly, Molly, bass, yeah, Molly. And thank you to your friend Holly, too. We probably leave her out. It's

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like, it's really cool. There's some amazing vegan recipe. Caitlin sends

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me. You guys both, like, tend to send me. Oh, I saw this plant based. Look at eating anyway, I'm making them, and I'm so excited for my friends to pull these meaty char grilled chunks of mushroom onto their grilled naan bread and slapping on that Tzatziki. And who fucking doesn't like bread? Dear people eating meat, the best part of life is a goddamn piece of bread. Okay, so don't worry that you're going to be like, deprived of anything you're not. I'm going to take pictures, and thank you for reminding me of that. Speaking of food, I want to know your Thanksgiving plans. Guys like, go ahead. Yes. I just

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want an update. Did you have the RCMP officers over yet for the dinner from

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Christ? You scared me just now, what I do is my brother in jail again. What's happening? We are here. So sorry I have not we're gonna figure it out. Okay, no, it's not planned yet, but I absolutely think I can do it. The first couple of weeks in November, I'm gonna be home from Fiji. Fiji Na, na, there's four of them, and thank you for bringing that up, because they donated $3,000 to enviros. And I'm going to do so they

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want the dinner. Literally, they won me which Jan decided at the golf tournament, and just put it on the table there for Yeah,

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I don't have an update there for you. I need to call Rochelle. And speaking of which, one more little caveat to this whole golf tournament thing, okay, one of these days, we'll get Caitlin here, like maybe Kyle can come out, and we'll you guys can stay here so you're not far away from him. We'll just golf for five hours, and then you guys can go, take my car and go to BAM first, you know what? I mean? We'll figure it out. We're gonna figure it out because I got lots of room for you. And anyway, so the dinner this last summer was ribs, giant ribs, sliders. It was a bunch of meat. It was so and I it just made me blue. So when they asked me, you know, it's the 10th anniversary of the golf tournament, are you up for it? I said, I have one little request. And I said, it's I said, it should be little. It shouldn't be anything at all, but something small. And I said, I want a plant based meal. So I said, I don't care if it's pizzas, I don't care if it's mac and cheese. I don't care if it's Beyond Meat burgers. I don't care if it's a lasagna. It's inexcusable now. So I said, I'm not feeding 160 people meat. Those big gatherings really press hard on the system. It's those gatherings, so it ain't happening on my watch. And Rochelle said, Consider it done. She goes, I'll talk to them now. And I said, if you need ideas, and if they're freaked out, catering, I said, let me know. Because I said, if I need to go in two days early and make shit, I will. Oh, my God, I love that. Okay, anyway, okay, Thanksgiving.

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Thanksgiving. We actually ordered our Thanksgiving

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meal this year. That's okay. People do that. I don't

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want to make food this year because I know we're going to be busy with will all day, every day, and there's just going to be no time to roast a million things for hours. You're making a pie, though, I'm going to make a pie, but we're gonna pick up our meal from Summerhill market here in Toronto. They do a really great like dinner for two and honest to God, food prices being what they are now, when you factor in everything that we were gonna buy, I bet you it's like roughly the same cost. So yeah, but then I'll make my own pie. I'll probably do a pumpkin pie. I'm not a huge pumpkin pie girl. Kyle really likes them, so I'll do it for him, but you, Kyle, I don't love it. I don't love a pumpkin pie. So I might have to do something else for myself. I would say I would love him. Make an apple pie. Make an apple I might do a flowerless chocolate cake for myself, actually. So maybe that, and today is, in fact, Kyle's birthday. So happy birthday, Kyle.

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Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, husband of Caitlin Kyle, happy birthday. You made such a beautiful son too, and he looks like you, and you got such big, really nice eyes you that'll

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be $1,800 Jan has a slight crush on Kyle,

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only human, but yeah. So key, we'll do something. We'll do something fun this weekend. But yeah, it'll be just a traditional, you know, all the fix ins Thanksgiving dinner for us. And then very low key, I want to rewatch. I want to begin rewatching the Sopranos. It's that season for me. So that's probably also going to be on the

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agenda. What are you doing? Sarah, uh, okay, so most years, Thanksgiving is not really a thing for me, other than a long weekend, Jewish people just usually have a different holiday that they're focused on around this time. It's called Yom Kippur. It's the day of atonement. It's essentially like you reflect on the year before, and the idea is that by fasting, that any sins type of thing would be forgiven. Obviously, comes from a tradition. Way back when I haven't really participated in that day in a very long time, but like, my mom still does. Or okay, my is it? No, my mom doesn't. My dad does. My mom doesn't. So right there within the family.

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Oh, that's pretty typical with parents. And it was just Rosh Hashanah too. So for anyone

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who doesn't know, yeah, Rosh Hashanah dinner was the day after the event. Actually, is the Jewish new year. So we're just on a different calendar, essentially. So yeah, like, I mean, Yom Kippur actually falls on the Thanksgiving long weekend in Canada this year, which doesn't always happen, but I know that my mom wants to make, you know, a nice feast, and that's what it is for us, a gathering of family. We're pretty modern in that way. But yeah, when it comes to, like, the fall foods. You know, I don't really, I'm not a sweet tooth person, so, like, I don't really crave ever anything pumpkin related, you know, I'm just, I'm not that person. But I'll eat a turkey. I like Turkey.

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I won't even get into the statistics of how many turkeys in the next 90 days started. No, no, I won't. I'm not going to listen. I am going to kind of an orphan Thanksgiving. Lisa, my friend, Lisa and her roommate, Bev, who have friends giving many years Friendsgiving, and I have been asked to bring my dad's stuffing. So it's so easy to veganize it because it's sage. It's all I do is swap out vegan butter and like oat milk or something. But it's the most simple. It was my grandma's stuffing recipe, and I always make that. But for me, I got some garden. They're hard to find. Maybe it's just this time of year, but they're stuffed turkey, air quote, air quotes. Rolls and they're breaded, and you can either stick it in an air fryer, but I'm gonna make myself like a couple of those. There's also turkey cutlets that garden sells as well that are fantastic, and anything with mashed potatoes on it and gravy, I'm telling you, once you get that bitey textural thing it is, you blow past you put your cranberry sauce on there. So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna bring a couple extra of those for people who want to try them, because I think that's really important. Be like, do you want to try a little piece of this? See what you think I love that. Yeah. So I'm gonna make maybe three or four of those Turkey rolls, and then my dressing, and then I'm gonna go over there and hang out with them. But, yeah, I don't. I haven't had Thanksgiving, really Thanksgiving since Mom and Dad were alive. They're the ones that really wanted everyone to come over, and it was almost just as big of a deal as a Christmas dinner. You know,

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it's almost like picking up on that discussion we had last week on stage, just about doing things alone. I think the Friendsgiving thing is even more common than the family thanksgiving these days, where you you're taking an end by your chosen family.

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Increasingly, yeah, especially so many people, especially in Toronto, aren't necessarily from Toronto, and so their family is far away, and because they know they're going to have to incur the insanely expensive cost of travel within Canada the holidays in just a few months, everyone's, I seem to know, four goes seeing family at Thanksgiving. So there's usually, there's usually quite a few people floating around. We would have people here for Thanksgiving who were in the city, if, if will, didn't go to bed at six o'clock.

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And it's hard, you know, it's hard, to keep everybody kind of quiet and and I get able to

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make anything listen.

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I still think about you guys going out for Chinese food, you know, Christmas Eve. It's one of my favorite Caitlyn stories, and thinking that you might have seen Rick Mercer at the movie theater, and I it's the cutest. I did ask him about it, and he said, No, he wasn't but I had to ask him. I said, were you did you go and see dinkity donk, donk at the thank thinkle and

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Hitler at Cumberland cinemas, which is now rip Cumberland cinemas. But yeah, no, it was great. I mean, sometimes I like to skirt tradition like that's just kind of in my DNA. I like traditions just as much. But I think mixing it up sometimes is sort of liberating. So not doing stuff that you think you're gonna have to do is when you don't want to do it. I love the freedom for everyone of like, you don't want to do something, don't do it. Don't be pressured into doing something you don't want. You don't have Christmas in you, you don't have hosting in. You just say no order in and say, Screw it. Yeah,

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don't, don't. Yeah, I think Caitlin's right there. Don't. Don't pressure yourselves and and, you know, maybe, if you guys can think of it, when you're getting your groceries in the next week or so, you know, throw that extra five, $10 into the food bank. I would make sure, make sure people have that. And you don't always have to adhere to what's in their bag. So what I do? And I just did this a couple days ago. I bought, you know, a couple and because I do have the means, I'm not trying to I do have the means I live alone, I don't have kids, that's saving me a fortune right then and there. I'm not having sex on a daily basis with anyone, even myself. So I. Don't know what that has to do with the food bank, and I apologize profusely, so, but you can say to the clerk, I would like to donate a turkey. And they can literally ding ring it up, you know, if it's the 40 bucks or whatever, but you can do things like that if you just check with your and if it's not the cashier, go to where they have that little returns, or sometimes where they keep cigarettes. And you can go up there and say, Listen, I'd like to put $100 towards a turkey dinner. They will, those people will sort you out, whether it's Loblaws or Safeway and Julie van Rosendahl, once again, I have to throw back this is her idea. Her and her son do an advent calendar that you add to, that you put stuff in so even if you're planning on Christmas, get a couple of old wine boxes and stick a package a pasta in there one night, or a can of beans the next day, or a jar of peanut butter. And at the end of it, you've got 24 items, and you can get it all loaded up long before Christmas. You don't have to time it out to the 24th it's just the sentiment. But you're gonna

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love this about meat and food banks. The cost of meat with food banks, like I just read this article, 20 it's up 27% so it is actually in our best interest to work with other ways to feed people through food banks that is not meat, right? Oh,

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they know that it's not. It's a perishable good. But I know that when you're talking about things like tin hams or tin chicken or tin sardines or tin fish, they say that goes over really well too. Like, if you can buy a four pack of tuna, you know, for a family that, yeah, that it is shelf safe. And things like, anyway, just something to think about. Going into this, I am so grateful. You're grateful. You guys are so grateful for what you have. And

31:43  
my sister worked in the food bank system for a really long time. So it's always try to do something, yeah, oh my

31:49  
god. It's so. It's increasingly so. I mean, the the food insecurity in Canada with inflation being what it has been, is is wild. Another thing I just learned, do you guys feel like you always you hear the word inflation all the time, and you're kind of like, I'm pretending to know what this means. Do you guys feel that way? Or do you think you really know I

32:09  
always equate it with the price of things going up? And I know that that is a very, very just silly way of looking at economics. I know they're incredibly complicated.

32:21  
Well, I also know that. So when, when you hear that inflation is decreasing, everyone then thinks that the price is going down. It's not. It means that the rate at which prices are climbing is stabilizing, but typically And historically, today's price is now forever's price like, it's never gonna go back below unless there's some sort of intervention. So all to say, it has become very expensive to feed families in Canada, and the daily bread here in Toronto is, like, they really need help, and a lot of people want to volunteer there. Of course, around the holidays, it's just when they think of it, you're like, pre programmed to think that way. But they could really use volunteers outside of these pinch points during the holidays, and especially like November, like leading up to Christmas. So do consider that if you, if you have time to give, perhaps, yeah, more than money, they

33:11  
don't have delivery services, it's volunteers. Yeah, exactly, yep. So most

33:16  
a requested item at the food bank is every year the same. What do you guys think that

33:23  
is? Oh, a quiz.

33:27  
This is a fact. I know this because I just read about it again a couple weeks ago. It's so pedestrian, you're gonna is it milk? Is it Peanut butter? Peanut butter. Okay, peanut butter, yep, but yeah, feminine protection, as we know, is unbelievably expensive. I used to bitch about it when I was in the throes of my my lady stuff, you know, 10 years ago, I was just like, did I just spend $45 in an airport for a pack of maxi pads and a and a 10 pack of tampons? Thank God

34:01  
I have I'm sorry, but like, I'm not, I don't like government involvement in things typically. But like, you should have a set you can be free. At the very least. They should have them controlled in pricing. Same with baby formula and diapers. These are things absolutely need. Nobody should be able to jack the prices of these things to the degree that they have. It just doesn't make sense. But like, yeah, it would be nice if they were free. I really like that really

34:23  
interesting group in the States, and I'll try and look up these women's names, but they've been sending feminine protection to Palestine, Israel. Now they're included in Lebanon. Well, they're doing it again. They're stepping out literally saying, can we make these women's lives incrementally a little bit easier for four days out of the month, five days out of the month, so they're not running around trying to dodge bombs and dealing with their periods. So we don't think of things like that when you think about women in war, it is unfathomable. You know, when you run. Running around as a pregnant woman, when you're running around as a grandmother like anyway.

35:14  
Can I say something that came to me when I was watching you guys? Um, I don't know if either of you watched The Last of Us, the HBO series, The Last of Us. Oh, yeah, okay, so when I was watching The Last of Us, because this is just the way my brain works. I don't know why I'm like this, but I noticed that in one of the episodes when the little girl gets to kind of like a human compound that is being successfully run outside of the gross city that she was living in, one of the first things that a female leader gives her is a diva cup. Yeah, because it's gonna now, you can imagine that in a post apocalyptic scenario, this thing would be pretty darn important. And so what did I do? I went out and bought one. Because I was like, Well, I don't know if the supply chain is gonna go sideways again or if something happens in the world, but HBO is the last because tells me that I need a diva cup.

36:02  
This is so funny. I'm being targeted on Instagram right now with like, I guess there's like, a new diva cup that's like a flatter. Let's

36:08  
just take it one second. Let's step back and explain Diva Cup, please. There's a lot of our listeners that don't know what that is.

36:14  
So it's a little silicone cup that you insert it. And the idea is it's an alternative to putting in a tampon or it looks

36:20  
like half an acorn, and there's a little tiny stem. And you can, you can modify it to what suits you, if you want a longer stem to pull the cup carefully out, obviously, it's a cup that fills with menstrual, you know, blood. And depending on how heavy or how light you are, you go in a washroom and you take it out, and you bring some paper towel with you, and you it's very easy, and it folds. So don't think of trying to put a teacup up your fanny. It is. It's rubber, it's silicone, correct? You guys, yeah, I think it's so and it folds. So imagine just folding it, and then you would it literally wouldn't be any wider than a tampered in. I tried so hard. You know what it's like sex, you got to learn. You got to learn how to fit it in, and you do.

37:07  
Caitlin, did you? No, I haven't. I bought it for end days because I was like,

37:12  
okay, but your next cycle, I need you to try it and report back to me. Well,

37:16  
I don't know. Maybe I will, but I will say that they discontinued my favorite tampons, and so I've been in a real place tell

37:22  
me they're not OB. They are those stupid assholes,

37:26  
okay, the little OB ones that don't have an applicator, and they're very, very small, but they need the special coating on them, because there's a smooth glide coating and then there's not, and the not smooth glide coating is not for me.

37:40  
No, it's really like a marshmallow and a piggy bank. It's terrible and so but

37:44  
these ones, they discontinued, and I wrote to OB, and I was like, Excuse me, no, no, they're still available in Canada. You just have to look hard. And I was like, not this hard. I've hunted. So I don't know what giant conglomerate of multinational corporations owns OB tampons today, but if they ever hear this, bring them back to Canada, damn it. Because I can't have my us friends sending to me, and I have to buy them in bulk when I go to the US, yeah, Kyle, if he has to go on a business trip to the US, I'm like, I need you to go to Walgreens and run around buying tampons. I've

38:13  
been on a journey to get away from that stuff because of, like, the harmful bleaches and all that stuff in these products. So I've been trying to buy organic tampons, and I'm lucky, like, my cycle is very light, so I don't use a lot of products, which is also why the Diva Cup thing would be great for me, but I can't get the fucking thing in.

38:30  
Are you folding it?

38:32  
Yeah. Are you like, essentially, like, you do like this, like, this is,

38:35  
this is one of the long YouTube is folding up. Somehow, you have a perfectly handy elastic band right now, but there were, wait

38:42  
till we give you the condom, you know, demonstration, because it's really Sarah, Sarah's gonna do that

38:50  
happening like Dr sue over there,

38:53  
I just didn't have time to eat. Have

38:54  
you tried to get it a little bit wet? I don't mean spit or anything like that. Anyway, no. I just mean with a little bit of tap water, just a little bit of tap water, and fold our

39:04  
sponsors. Well,

39:05  
I will, I will try. I

39:07  
would maybe a little coconut oil. Well, I wouldn't put any oils up your ding dong.

39:12  
You know, what we need to do is save that last quote for the next live event we have where we play another round of she said, she said, she said, and Jan says, don't put any oils up your ding dong. So I really like that one. Well,

39:26  
Thanksgiving took a turn. You

39:28  
know, one thing we didn't discuss about the live event, I was kind of like, caught off guard at the amount of cards and gifts that we got from

39:36  
people. Oh my gosh, yes. I

39:37  
feel like we thank you to everyone, amazing. I haven't gone through all my stuff. There's a big box sitting at the condo. I had to, I had to leave the next day very early. Yes, I had press. I actually told Heather McGill one of our, you know, Jan fans and only fans. I just said I haven't gone through everything yet because I don't know. Okay, I just wanted to make sure if you got, yeah. You got it, and everybody, I haven't gone through anything. And hopefully frame

40:04  
that I sent you the picture of. You want me to grab the framers frame? Bit of Morris frame. Oh,

40:09  
I put it on Instagram and I found out who it was. Oh, yeah, saja, Hussein. Saja, Hussein. And she was like, I'm not taking credit for this. I saw the frame, and I That's really sweet. Well, that's gonna go up in my condo, for sure.

40:21  
The people who gave children's books to will I'm actually gonna get the business card of this woman who gave it to, gave him all these books, and it's from a secondhand children's bookstore. And I can't say enough good things about a secondhand children's store, because you you know you need them in your neighborhood. They're very, very good for reducing the price of things that you're going to be buying all the time, and for upcycling. So let me grab that. But honestly, thank you so much. People gave like the cows chocolate covered chips. And I'm those are like a delicacy, and I'm half PEI. So I mean, I really these things are so, so sweet. They were from Pickwick books, which is a bookstore in waterdown, and they were some really, really thoughtful books and like, wonderful, beautiful stuff. And like a note for Kyle, someone wrote, Look, someone wrote a whole letter to will. And it's just like dear, adorable, handsome and limitless will, like handwritten stuff for your kids. And this was another, another listener who had previously sent this to me, and I hadn't had a chance to mention it yet, but she actually wrote a book, and it's called dinos driving. Look how cute it is. Oh, I'm gonna tell you, it's a listener named Lynn. Lynn, I think it's, I think you pronounce her name, Lynn Leach, and it's all, it's so cute. It's an illustrated little board book, and it's all about dinosaurs and what cars they would drive. And it's a combination of like, Will's favorite things, which is cars and dinos.

41:46  
Did we miss Poppy? Or did we miss Poppy? Got

41:48  
someone at my gate, but you guys stay on here, because I'm gonna let them in. I think this is a perfect time to say sayonara and to thank everybody for coming once again to our first live event.

41:58  
I got some voice notes for us, though, yeah,

42:00  
let's do that. Well,

42:02  
let's play out with Do you know what? I'm so sorry that every damn time, this is my favorite part, and I screw it up every time. Next week I'm gonna be here in my entire room. No, I'm I'm dropping the

42:13  
ball. We throw to you. You throw to us. We got you. Okay, we haven't listened to any yet. Here we go. Hi

42:19  
Jan, Sarah and Caitlin. My name is morig, and this is new for me. Voice noting. I just wanted to say thanks. Your Podcast is a breath of fresh air. It's like being in a group of friends and just having a chat. That's what I feel like. I'm also a Patreon member. Didn't make the first 50, but I did sign up twice by mistake, so maybe that counts for a T shirt or a tote. And thank you to Sarah for helping me figure that one out.

42:47  
I think it does. Jan,

42:49  
every time I see a picture of MIDI, I feel you're you missing her. I went through the same thing with my Mika, geez, almost four years ago now, and it still brings a tear to my eye. I used to listen to Ode to a friend and think it was her song. When I hear it, I still see her. I had a blanket made up for you when MIDI died and I did the same thing for me with Mika. I hope you love it just as much as I love mine.

43:14  
Oh, I have it and I use it anyway. I will be

43:18  
seeing you in November in Duncan. And thanks for coming to Vancouver Island and singing in the smaller venues. It gives everybody a chance to see you, and everybody on the island loves you. Not a lot of artists come and to Duncan, for sure. Never mind Campbell River anyway. I love the chemistry you three have you brighten my day every time I listen to you. Thanks again. Morig, oh,

43:42  
my Campbell River. So shadow Campbell River,

43:46  
I'm absolutely blown away by, you know, my blanket that I love and I use all the time. So thank you. That's very thoughtful. It's very hard losing a pet, but and thanks for being brave to leave a voice note.

44:00  
Yeah, we love that.

44:01  
It's hard to do it.

44:03  
Yeah, give it to us. Yeah,

44:05  
we want more. You. You want more. You're gonna get more. It's Natasha up in Inuvik, Northwest Territories. And just listening to the pod this week, and I wanted to add another beautiful place to come and see, just outstanding scenery and autumn colors is up in the Northwest Territories, particularly along the Dempster highway and then onto the inuviku highway. The colors are outstanding. The scenery changes every couple 100 kilometers, and it's just an amazing view to take in. If you want some some ideas of what that looks like, there's an amazing page called 81 images, either on Facebook or Instagram, and the gentleman is a photographer up here. He's in evaluat, and just takes stunning shots, both of the landscapes with drones and with handheld cameras, and also does some amazing Northern Lights full. Photos, so hopefully someday we can see you up this way. I know Jan's been, I think, as far as Whitehorse and even Dawson before, but you know, it's just a turn up from Dawson and another 800 kilometers, and you're right here at our doorstep, and then eventually up onto the Arctic Ocean. Okay, would love to see up this way. Would love to host you and show you around and do all those fun things. And in the meantime, if you want to check out those photos, totally available to anyone across Canada who wants to see them. Thanks so much. And have a wonderful day.

45:29  
Love that I got the link, so I'll put it in the show notes for us. What

45:32  
a cool recommendation. And honestly, I do really want to see, I want to see the Yukon and Northwest Territories. At some point, I think it would

45:40  
be for Nunavut. I did a trip with Sirius XM to Nunavut for Nunavut Music Week. It was an incredibly eye opening experience. And the land is just gorgeous. It's, you know, bright at two in the morning. You're trying to figure that out.

45:52  
I think it's quintessentially Canada, like when you think about Canada, it's the North.

45:58  
Hi, Jen, hi Kaitlin, hi Sarah. This is Ellen from Toronto. I just wanted to say that I had like so much fun during our live event. I laughed so hard with the games. My question is, you met all my expectations for the live event? Did we, as an audience, met your expectations for the live event. Did you like the live event? Keep doing it. Thank you so much, and see you next time.

46:29  
We loved it. And hopefully you've heard the the top of this podcast today, because a we're blown away that you guys showed Yeah, and we were all excited. You should have seen us backstage. It

46:39  
exceeded our expectations for sure, and like we've said a million times, we'll keep saying it, because I know many people were disappointed that they couldn't come. We will be doing more, and we'll have more tickets, and it's this was just a little personal concept, and boy, did we love it, and loved meeting everyone and just seeing how kind and supportive the fans are, because it can be really nerve wracking to do stuff in front of people, so the feeling that it's in a very supportive, nice environment. Is it's rare. I know that it's rare. Next

47:03  
time I will actually follow the outline.

No excuses, no excuses. I mean, I was a bit nervous. No matter how much anyone goes on a stage, it's just like, What am I doing? And I started with games. I don't even know what I was thinking. But anyway, thank you for thank you for coming, for supporting us. One more for the road. One more for the road.

47:26  
Hi Jan, Sarah and Caitlin. This is Darren from New Brunswick. I've really liked your Jan Arden podcast live on YouTube. It was a good show. I liked when you said it's good to go out by yourself and do things like out to a movie, out to a meal or out to concert. Actually, Jan, where I am, in New Brunswick, I saw your tree con, your concerts by myself, and it was a good time. And then years ago, when I was younger, I saw concerts by myself at well known Barris Moncton and New Brunswick, where I go see you live, and that was good, too. So anyways, have a good week, and I'll talk to you later. Bye.

48:07  
Thank you so much. Thank you, Dan, yeah, it is. It's great to do stuff on your own and be brave. Just find it within yourself that you can do it. Doesn't mean you have to do it, but it's it's not as hard as you think, and

48:21  
especially because I find going to events alone can be a bit like, I don't love doing that all the time, because you are expected to sort of walk up to strangers and make conversation because you're just, well, you know, when you go to an event, like a networking event, or like a tip event or something, you're just standing usually around like a cocktail y setting. And I don't love that. But what I want to say to people who might be a little afraid of going out to do stuff on their own is, if it's a movie or a concert, you're just in the audience. So it is a very low stakes game to go on your own. You're just taking in the entertainment. And for me, at least, not everyone always has the same taste in music and movies as I do, and so I still want to be able to see some of my favorite artists, but I don't always have someone who's, like, as big of a fan as me, so I love that he saw you three times. That's amazing. God, he

49:05  
paid for my hat

49:06  
anyway. So what are we gonna what are we gonna do on Patreon today? Well,

49:10  
there's, there's a few things that I do want to discuss. I want to talk about Thanksgiving or holiday mishaps. And I know last year it feels like we were just talking about these things because Caitlin had brought us a Reddit thing about what relatives like did at gatherings. I'll never forget. I wish I could go and find that episode of us talking about what uncles did drunk aunts fights, holy shit, the stuff they came up. But I want to touch on that again, because we are coming into the relative zone. So we're going to talk about that a little bit of how to somehow lower your expectations. Okay, family gatherings. And I want to

49:54  
talk to you guys about cleaning also, which is my favorite, out of my head,

49:57  
it was something that we didn't. Get to, but no, there's, there's, there's a catch to this, folks, there's a catch to this. There's a sex catch. Yeah, there's a sex and if to know what that is, you're going to have to come back and listen. Okay,

50:09  
my contribution is going to be, I'm going to update you on the foster dog.

50:12  
Thank you so much for listening. You can find us on all your favorite platforms, for for streaming and for listening to your podcasts. We appreciate it more than you know. Please sign up if you haven't already to our Patreon page. It helps us make the podcast every week, and it helps us put on these really great live events that we definitely want to do more of. So thank you for that. And your T shirts are coming. You you first 50 the T shirts are coming. So took us a little while to get our poop in a group, but it's they're headed your way. Thank you. Thank you. Caitlin green, as always. Sarah Burke, you guys are fantastic. I'm endlessly proud of you all the time, and I enjoy doing this with you guys as much as our listeners love checking us out every week, so we'll see you next time. Totally do.

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