The Band Is Back Together

Unknown Speaker  0:00  
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Jann Arden  0:08  
Hello. Welcome to the Jann Arden podcast. This is an exciting day because all three of us are back together again. The team, the band, is back together. I'm here with Sarah Burke Caitlin Green was celebrating her 10th, 10th, one, zero. I don't know what that means in Anniversary World. Is it wood, glass, crystal?

Caitlin Green  0:29  
I don't know either. I didn't even know that that was a thing.

Jann Arden  0:32  
Alexa, what is the 10th anniversary symbol? There's

Caitlin Green  0:36  
like a material associated with anniversaries, and I didn't know that until semi recently. So, yeah, you're right. There's like, wood, or one's supposed to be, like cotton, or, I don't know, we've never celebrated might

Jann Arden  0:48  
be gonech, 10th anniversary might be gonech, and it might be a box of condoms. We don't know. We're gonna find out, because I know that our listeners will write in. So not latex. We got a lot to cover today. We got a whole bunch of stuff. We got Hollywood stuff. We got Emmys. We've got the Tiktok court case, whatever you want to call it, the litigation, the conversation in the United States about banning Tiktok. I want to touch on that today. But first of all, your trip, and you sent me an interesting note about going on a trip and realizing what you want to bring from those vibes and that energy back into your own life, because we all go on these holidays and we do things that we don't normally do in our real lives. So tell me everything you and Kyle went to Hudson Valley,

Caitlin Green  1:36  
New York. Hudson Valley, New York. Yeah, so it's a region outside of Manhattan. It's upstate New York. It's in the Catskills. It is absolutely spectacular. It's so beautiful, and it reminds me a little bit of the region that I constantly talk about in Canada, the Eastern Townships in Quebec. It's really like similar, but it's all these amazing little towns that have great food scene. Woodstock is there, Hudson, New York, which is sort of like the biggest town. We were in, a town called accord, New York, and they have great food, great drinks, wonderful people, amazing like grocery shopping sites, just like, everything is awesome. And you're in a very beautiful scenic location, and you've got art, there's a lot of art there, there's music, there's performances, there's, you know, outdoor, amazing performing arts centers. And we went to a beautiful art center called Storm King Art Center, which I think I mentioned in my voice note last week, and it is just spectacular. And made me feel like I really want to bring this, like, artistic, yeah, you

Jann Arden  2:35  
mentioned that.

Caitlin Green  2:36  
I think immediately I want to try something as simple as maybe a ceramics class. Oh, I

Jann Arden  2:41  
see like actually doing some crafts, yeah, having a tactile artistic experience, yeah.

Caitlin Green  2:46  
And then also making more of an effort to connect with the artistic community here in Toronto, because we have, you know, I have an annual membership to the AG, O, I should be going more often to see all of their exhibits. We have contemporary art centers here. I just think I should be more in tune with that locally, because I loved it when we were away. It tingles your brain and makes you look around and think we're missing Art and Design in so much of our regular life. And when you have more of it, and it's something beautiful to look at and interesting to look at, it just made my day better. So I want to do that. Haven't you guys felt that way from vacation, where you left and you were like, the thing that exists here, I want to do more of when we get home, whether it's like music or food or Absolutely,

Jann Arden  3:27  
the problem being is there's no castles here at Casa Loma in Toronto, like, I'll tell you what going to Europe, and it's a little different than taking a drive to upstate New York, which is fantastic. I've been in that area, and I know exactly what you mean by those dotted little towns that have the perfect cafe, the perfect little Art Gallery, where there's a bespeckled woman sitting there selling, like the most gorgeous things for 300 bucks. And you just like, what? But yeah, in Europe, whenever I go, the explosion of things in antiquity, the explosion of buildings that are stamped built in 1609 the explosion of little signs that say on this corner. 62 witches were burned in in 1479, like I and I come back here, and it's just like going since 1991 come on in and enjoy our donuts like we don't, I don't feel like we have a culture here that one would identify with Canada. Like, I really struggle with that. What is our culture? We are absolutely a very diverse country. I'm extremely proud of that. Calgary looks so much different than the Calgary I grew up in. There are black and brown faces, there are synagogues, there are mosques, there are things that didn't exist here in 1975 so the Redneck whole vibe here has come a long, long way, because it's not just a bunch of white people in the oil industry and bringing up cattle. And I don't mean. To sound but that's the truth of it. So, yeah, I missed that. But the art in particular, maybe that is art. Maybe history is a form of art. I wish I went places to go see stuff here. I don't want to go up the Calgary tower again, you know. Well, they're even at I

Caitlin Green  5:18  
feel like we have a lot of nature. Obviously, Canada's synonymous for beautiful national parks, and even Toronto punches above its weight class for for parks. I think I feel like our motto is a city within a park. I think it is, but I find that we do struggle with that piece of kind of history and cultural identity, and, you know, we have probably got a lot more work to do when it comes to, like, celebrating the indigenous history that we have here in Canada. Because I remember going out west when I was a kid and being really struck by some of the indigenous art that was there. Like I was, it's incredible. And then you think of like, you know, and I again, return to art, because I'm in that moment. But like Emily Carr, you're like, what this was like, such a great Canadian artist. And when you go and see the Canadian seven, the Group of Seven, when you go to the AG, O, and see that type of stuff, I'm like, This is what I need to get more into. I need to be more familiar with it, and then more familiar with contemporary Canadian artists. Because I do. I really, I really like it, like I just, I find it fun, and I want to try a little bit of it myself, even though I don't think I'm going to be very good. But it's really just experience. Who cares? Yeah, my mother in law is a fabulous painter, and she's really leaned into it. Later in her life. She's had exhibits she'll like sell pieces now, and it's giving her a lot, I think, emotionally, you know, she's really taking something from it. And so I see that it has value, for sure, for people's lives, even if you're not necessarily like a professional artist. So maybe painting, well, listen,

Jann Arden  6:49  
they have those painting classes where you can go in and they serve wine like you can literally have a glass of wine and cheese and crackers and and be there with maybe six, eight other women. And I don't know if everyone paints the same thing, but I've had friends that have gone and done that, and they said that was so fun. Best 125 bucks I ever spent, because it includes your snacks, your canvas, your paint. So when you walk into those places, you don't have to worry about, oh my god, I got to get to Michael's and buy a watercolor palette and 10 brushes, like they really do make it easy for you to sit in a chair, get your Little Dixie cup full of Chardonnay, Pinot Grigio. And, you know, hopefully there's somebody naked there that you can, you know, sketch, but I don't think that's the case. Anyway, I want to backtrack a little bit from what I said, because I feel like an asshole. There is, there is myriad, I seriously, there's myriad things to do in Calgary for the arts. There is a thriving art community. There's lots of crafts here. There is festivals. Every fucking weekend, I'm looking at a banner going underneath crowchild trail where it's like the Jamaican thing, the African Festival, the Polish reunion, you know. Anyway, there's so many things I just don't go. So this is on me, folks. There's a ton of shit here. And,

Caitlin Green  8:07  
well, we know you'd go to a castle, so there is that.

Jann Arden  8:09  
Well, we don't have castles here. Have

Sarah Burke  8:11  
you played Casa Loma? Because they do a lot of artist stuff. I

Jann Arden  8:15  
did something there for the Walk of Fame, and the air conditioning didn't work. We were cooking in a room upstairs. It was really funny, because we had a knock on the door. Rick Mercer and I were sitting in there, and the tenors came in, and one of them had done something horrible to his back, and he was crippled over. And they had to sing that night, and they were just kind of groaning. They're like, sorry, you've got a bigger bathroom. Can we bring so and so in here? So when I think of Casa Loma, I think of the tanners, these beautiful men, these talented, beautiful men coming in, groaning like they're they'd had a skateboarding accident and but his poor back, he managed to take something, and I'll tell you what they got up there and saying, like angels, as they always do. And I was thinking about the poor man's back anyway, Casa Loma, I will be back under better circumstances, but you and

Sarah Burke  9:10  
your performance at the castle, was it cool, like it's just seems like a typical environment. I think

Jann Arden  9:14  
the story behind it, building it for love and building it to recognize the relationship with his wife. I think that's sort of the backstory to Casa Loma. It's pretty nuts to have that kind of money to build something that majestic, but it gets so much. How many people get married there every year? My god, I've

Caitlin Green  9:34  
been to a wedding there. And we at at chum we did two, they called them house parties, where they gave away $100,000 and it was a bunch of listeners at Casa Loma. And it was they put on a great party. And the view there is so beautiful. And they do a really amazing haunted kind of walk around Halloween too, which is super popular here. It's

Jann Arden  9:55  
supposed to be quite haunted, like there's 98 rooms in. This county, 98 Same, same with my place.

Caitlin Green  10:02  
We do have, like Toronto has a bit of historical buildings, I think, because it was probably like the most developed. But Canada's so young. And I know Julian Rosendahl was recently, she was doing some sort of a tour in Newfoundland, and she said that this particular region of Newfoundland was home to the largest number of underground cold sellers in the world, like built into, like the sides of mountains and stuff. You would just see a little wooden door pop up, and people would go down there and use them as, like natural refrigerators back in the day. And yeah, so there's those types of things that I sort of like geek out on, and I need to be more familiar with that stuff here. But there's a lot of it in Hudson Valley, my God, again, like Storm King's second to Machu Picchu in terms of places I've been in my life, in person and blown away. It was fabulous.

Jann Arden  10:49  
Well, like we've said, Folks, we need to bring a little bit of that holiday vibe into our own lives, whether that's learning how to make your own chai latte in your house and not having to walk to the barista, but something fun. I mean, I always looking I a big thing for me, traveling is always going to cafes. I love finding a cafe and trying whatever they've got going on and, you know, trying something out of the baking cabinet or trying it's, it's fantastic, but, I mean, it's not always. The big things, little things really make it special. But anyway, moving on, I would be remiss not to speak about the Emmys, because apparently the viewership was up 60% from three years ago, and that's a really phenomenal number. Eugene Levy and his son Dan Levy, they were the hosts, and I think they did a really great job. I've seen clips. I'm going to be honest, I did not watch the show in its entirety. I go to bed at 730 to read, but Caitlyn is up, and I'm sure you're I didn't watch this. You're either. Oh, okay, so I don't have cable, but I've heard amazing things about the only murder in the building stars the little clip that they did so Selena Gomez Martin, short and Steve Martin came up and did a bit my feed the next morning was filled with these three people need to host the Oscars. These are the people Oscars. Take note. These are the people to get. I will probably woke up to 50 or 60 of those kinds of messages and but yeah, what were your What was your takeaway on some of the winners and losers? And close, I

Caitlin Green  12:27  
think that it remains confusing to me that the bear is in the comedy category. That's always a big topic, but it was a big topic again this year, and I've discovered that it's only because of the show's runtime they have these unusual parameters which define how a show is categorized, and if it's 30 minutes, it's a comedy, apparently. So I think that's why you saw a lot of acting like performance awards go to people who were on the bear, and so they're awarded for comedy performances, but it's not a comedic show. But then you would see best comedy series goes to hacks. And I think that's because Hacks is is very clearly a comedy, and it's a much better comedy. Well, the

Jann Arden  13:08  
voters spoke very loudly and clearly about that, so I think they should, I do think they

Caitlin Green  13:11  
should change that. Like, at first I thought it was just this funny thing that the internet was commenting on, but then the more I thought about it, I was like, I do actually feel like they should probably adjust that, because it seems arbitrary. So I know that was like a big talking point. I didn't watch it this year because I really, I don't. I can't get down with an award show being right now seasonally. I feel that award shows are a winter sport, and that's when I want to watch it. I don't know that I can watch it like 9pm when the sun is still up, sort of so I didn't watch it, but the reviews for the levy are incredible, and I have seen a lot of clips, and I think they did an excellent job. I think that the two of them are really fun duo, and it does also speak to the comedic talent here in Canada. I mean, we know about it. We've known about it for years, but the two of them are so funny. And to see Dan Levy, he used to do the hills after show on MTV here, and now he's co hosting the Emmys with his dad. And I was like, hello everyone. We are a training ground for comedians and for live performers that I don't think gets enough credit. And

Jann Arden  14:16  
Catherine O'Hara, the whole exactly gang Martin Short, is in one of the biggest shows on Disney.

Caitlin Green  14:22  
Well, then, yeah, like, look at that. Then they were like, oh, let's have Martin Short do it with Steve Martin and Selena Gomez. And I love to see that. So would I, I mean, and I like that show so much. So I do think that was great about Jean smart was so cool in her acceptance speech. I love

Jann Arden  14:36  
73 years old. I mean, so to anybody out there, women in particular, and we have a lot of female visitor visitors. We have a lot of female listeners and visitors to this show. If you're 55 and thinking to yourself, what's what's left for me? Well, fast forward 20 years. Jean smart's been doing that's her third season. Now it is whip smart. She looks fucking gorgeous. She's very sexual. You like, I struggle with not wanting to kiss Jean smart. Like, I just she is so cute. Like, even, like, I think Hannah einbender is amazing too, but Jean smart, she does it for me. I think she's amazing. So, yeah, just note to self. Don't worry about how old you are. Worry about being healthy and well and being able to do shit,

Caitlin Green  15:26  
and don't cut yourself out because like, cool is cool, is cool, and smart is smart, and funny is funny. And when you see the people who are being, I think, very frequently celebrated right now in television. I mean, you had the year of Jennifer Coolidge when she was on white lotus. And then you look at Eugene Levy, he's obviously older. And then Martin Short, and, and Steve, Steve, yeah, Catherine O'Hara, you know, there's a lot to be said for the appreciation of just people who are cool, no matter what age they are. And, and also, I think a lot of them have swagger, and that's that thing that you can't quite put your finger on and it really is timeless. And if you have self confidence and like a bit of panache, your leaps and bounds ahead of someone who just has, like, youth and like a hot bod on their side. In my read,

Jann Arden  16:12  
read Leslie M's book called Swagger. Just right. Shout out to Leslie, yes. Um, she sent me her book when it came out, and it is so dead on. It really gives you ideas about where to find that again, in your in yourself, in your life. So, Leslie M, will you're sending us a check for $400 Not to mention, no, it really is wonderful. You can find it on Amazon. You can find it in bookstores. And Leslie am, of course, is Erica M's sister, so it's very talented family. Obviously,

Unknown Speaker  16:45  
I have no idea. Their

Unknown Speaker  16:47  
mom, Sarah's like, Wait a minute.

Jann Arden  16:49  
Their mom, watch your dog. Their mom, the journey woman, I'm hope I'm getting that right. Their mom, who passed away a few years ago, was a traveler. She traveled the world. She was a woman in her 70s, and she was like, out there. Her adventures were amazing. I loved following her on Instagram anyway. Yeah, so the Emmys, good surprises, baby reindeer, which was the fucking weirdest show that I saw this year. They both won. So Mr. Gad won, and I think it was Jenny the other actress, the actress that actually played Martha the whack a doodle stalker woman, apparently based on his real life, that this comedian had a female stalker that he was kind to one day, sort of bought her a drink or something, chatted with her, and she suddenly, immediately assumed that they were going out. Yeah, but this series, if you haven't seen it, it is uncomfortable. It's very cringy.

Caitlin Green  17:52  
I couldn't finish it.

Jann Arden  17:53  
Well, that's what I mean. I did, because I just wanted to know where the hell this thing landed. But it certainly was different. It was not like anything you'd seen, you know, on Netflix. And so I was glad for them. And it was another one of those underdog stories. It

Caitlin Green  18:08  
was supposed to be, you know, really, I from what I saw, it was very well done and quite good. I just don't think I was in the mood to be so uncomfortable while I was watching a show. But I think it touched on a lot of important issues, like, at some point, I think obviously there was some, you know, discussion around, like male sexual assault and also around, sort of the predatory nature of the entertainment industry. So it does deal with some really serious topics. And the woman in real life, who allegedly sleuths on the internet figured out she was the inspiration for this character. They sought her out, and she went on Piers Morgan, and

Speaker 1  18:43  
saw that. I saw that, I was like, what is happening? It

Caitlin Green  18:48  
was so bizarre. And that took place after I had stopped watching the show. And the show also made me feel very weirded out. And then that interview was very weird. So it's super weird all around but I think so weird. He had a really nice thing to say too, though, because he's the guy who wrote the show that it's based on. Obviously, he was talking about how down and out he was in his life, and he would never have seen himself on stage accepting an award in Los Angeles at the Emmys all those years in a kilt, no less in exact and hopefully with underwear. But we'll, we'll never know. But he just talks about how, you know, no matter how down you feel about yourself, it does get better. And it was sort of like a hang in there for anyone who was struggling. That was another, I think Emmy's highlight that was sort of circulated so, yeah. And also the Kathy Bates moment where she said, Do you know how hard it was for me to get a date after misery?

Jann Arden  19:37  
That was a great line. My god, she's lost a lot of weight.

Caitlin Green  19:40  
Yeah, I didn't, I shouldn't say that, because maybe I'm being dumb. But I

Jann Arden  19:44  
mean, I think there was very much a health history there, and she looks fantastic, and she just seems anyway, I love seeing her, and not that

Caitlin Green  19:51  
it matters. But a lot of people were asking that because they were like, do you think that that's that but, well,

Jann Arden  19:56  
just very quickly touching on weight, I want to give you my Noom update. I. Lost 12 pounds on Noom in five and a half weeks. If you've been with and I'm just, I'm eating a lot. I can't even tell you I was saying to Caitlin and Sarah that I'm just making better choices, like, obviously, if I want to eat more, it needs to be things that are low calorie and just a high volume. So I'm eating way more vegetables and and fruits. And I didn't

Sarah Burke  20:23  
think it was possible for you to eat more vegetables. How?

Jann Arden  20:28  
But I do process stuff, you know, I'll have, I'll have things like everybody else. I like a box of goddamn crackers with, you know, Boris and cheese on it. Borisan makes a great plant based cheese, like I can pack that away. And who doesn't like chips and dip? I make this amazing vegan chip dip. I think I've made it for you here. Anyway. All that shit aside, I've lost 12 pounds, and what my worry is, and I thought about this a few nights ago laying in bed. I hope people don't think I'm on ozempic.

Caitlin Green  21:00  
Oh, and then I just brought your fear to reality. Yeah,

Jann Arden  21:06  
I can tell, thank you, Caitlin. I can tell because my pants are just fitting a lot better, like things are feeling a bit better, but it's nothing. No one has said one word to me. I'm around my friends all the time. Went walking with Nadine and her husband, Dave. We took the dogs to an off leash Park, and we walked like 99 miles. And I thought I'm looking pretty good in these jeans. They didn't say anything to me, so it's not even really noticeable. Well, 12

Caitlin Green  21:33  
pounds is 12 pounds is a lot, but like you said, not when

Speaker 1  21:36  
you look like me, not when you're around like me. What is that voice?

Caitlin Green  21:40  
Is that like you being an L, well, it's gonna

Speaker 1  21:43  
be, it's gonna be quite a long time until people can tell that I'm losing weight because I had quite a bit to anyway. I'll probably put it back on. And

Sarah Burke  21:53  
that's the whole thing with Noom. You're probably not gonna put it. Why are you yelling at me? You

Jann Arden  22:07  
I was just talking to somebody. What is that? My friend in BC, has done, no, she lost 30 pounds, and so she's been doing the maintenance thing for a long time. I said, What does that look like? She goes, it's just, you know, you just kind of watch where your calories are, but they're not. You're not doing lessons every day, and you're not this or that. But she said, I I'll go up a couple pounds, and then I dip down. I just, she goes, I just make better choices for myself. And I'm still eating lots of treats. And there's a treat day. Yeah, I have two, two. I have fucking three treat days banked. So that means, for me, I want to know what your treat day is, too. For me. It's going to a matinee and having a medium popcorn, no butter, medium popcorn butter and no no vegan. Oh, yeah, sorry,

Sarah Burke  22:49  
they got vegan butter for you at this point. Well,

Jann Arden  22:52  
so What? What? Sarah, what's your treat day like? If you were on noon, what would your treat day be? Well,

Sarah Burke  22:58  
I did. I was telling Jan that I did start like, I didn't find the sign up experience very good. Like, I felt like I got 45 emails and I was like, Whoa, Noom, and I got, like, turned off,

Caitlin Green  23:08  
but no to noon, yeah, but he's around about the user experience.

Sarah Burke  23:12  
But I did end up, like, waiting to the last minute to, like, finish the sign up, and it gave me a pretty good deal. Oh, sweet. Now I'm behind you guys, which is fine, but my treat day on like Saturday, I went just to a very cute Midland patio in cottage country with my dad, and we had fish and chips, and it was so good.

Jann Arden  23:31  
Okay, see you love that. That's a good treat day, yeah? That's that would be so satisfying. Tartar sauce, salt, vinegar on the chips. My mouth is water, yeah, yeah, that just hit me. Hit me right in the well,

Caitlin Green  23:44  
I had a treat week, like when we were away. I was not counting calories so, but that's what I mean, and nor should you exactly, because then you, what I think it does is you then come back and have a shorthand, a collection of meals, sort of in your Rolodex, where you know that these are calorically not too dense. You're going to feel full. They're nutritious. You like them, and for me, it's oftentimes a smoothie or really quick thrown together salad. I of course do factor meals as well during the week. So I think that knowing that you can just get you, knowing that you can have fun while you're on vacation, have your treat day, go to a patio, you know, eat popcorn at a matinee, that makes you it takes the stress away in some way around, like food, where you're like, Whatever, I'm empowered to just come back home and snap back into things and be fine again. Every

Jann Arden  24:30  
day I have a grande pink drink from Starbucks. Not every day. I don't go into town every day, but I'm gonna say three, four times a week. It is strawberry it's coconut milk and kind of like this leveling refresh draw, yeah, it's a refresher. And I always ask for extra ice, so I'm kind of slowing down. So what would have been 140 calories, I bet you, with all the extra ice, is 80. I am in heaven having that treat. I'm just in heaven doing that.

Caitlin Green  24:58  
And that's a reasonable thing. Thing to have as your little like, one of your little indulgences. It's, it's totally fine. You can't have a dunk a latte, something I discovered when I was in America. Oh, my God, they're like 500 calories. Oh, it's probably more, I don't know, taste like melted. It tastes like melted coffee ice cream. It's an iced drink at Dunkin Donuts. And I don't know how this had happened, but I realized when we were driving down that I'd never had dunkin donuts before, so we stopped at a rest stop, and I really wanted to try it. And on the screen in Dunkin was the ad for the dunkel latte, and it was a slow mo pour, and it was all spinning around, and they described it as a melty milkshake, and they friggin got me, and it is so good. I had two while I was there. I had one on the drive there and one on the drive home. Okay, thank God is

Jann Arden  25:44  
that? Was it like an ice cap? Was it like a Tim Horton's ice cap?

Caitlin Green  25:47  
But it's not blended. It's just, it's just cubed ice with, like the drink poured over it. And so it's like an ice latte, but what they use in it is something this full fat cream. It's gotta be full Oh, it's at least whole milk. But it's, it's they, what they do is they make what they call coffee milk, which would be the same as if, back in the day you made your own chocolate milk as a kid, you put chocolate syrup in and mixed it with milk, and then you made chocolate milk. It's coffee syrup. So they make coffee flavored milk, and then they add the espresso or whatever.

Sarah Burke  26:19  
Did you look at the caffeine? By the way,

Caitlin Green  26:21  
I didn't. I didn't look at anything. Well, I

Jann Arden  26:23  
don't do caffeine. I always do the decaf. I doubt very much they'd have a decaf version of that, because a lot of times they'll say, we don't do a decaffeinated version

Caitlin Green  26:30  
of every facsimile, every adjustment. They have 10 million different proprietary syrups. So I bet you they could do a decaf. Did they do plant milks? Oh, yeah, tons. Oh my gosh. Everywhere you went there it was, you know, oat milk or almond or they had so many different things, because the Hudson Valley region reminds me a lot of LA and sort of it has a bit of a crunchy hippie element to it, I think, likely because of the history of it being an arts community and every so the vegan options are endless. The food is incredible. The grocery store, is there their version of sort of Whole Foods, although, of course, it's from the whole foods, it's from the US, but their local I love a gr I love a US grocery store.

Jann Arden  27:09  
I love a US grocery store.

Caitlin Green  27:11  
I love I have to, like, I'm gonna, I know some Canadians will probably be like, damn you for this. But like, I love the US. When I go to the US, I'm like, I love your TV. I love your ads. I love your cars. I love the width of your roads. I love your grocery stores. I just all those things. She'll

Sarah Burke  27:27  
be joining us from Hudson Valley next week. Are

Jann Arden  27:29  
you listening farm boy, are you listening farm boy, I do like farm boy. We have a Sunterra here, and we have another store called blush lane that absolutely rivals a US store. I spend a lot more money going in there, but I just took a special trip into Calvary two days ago and went to blush lane, and I got some of my favorite stuff, killer drink aisle. Like, killer smoothie fridge, killer like, there's just stuff that I get there. Some of their plant yogurts are just like, out of this world that I can't get anywhere else, like, certainly not at a Safeway. But, you know, I went, I had one one bag ago, like a little canvas, my little recyclable bag, I managed to stuff $244 of shit into one bag. I left. I went. I went, Jan, you got to stop that. You cannot do that. But that's just a one off. Usually I'm the two for one. What

Sarah Burke  28:22  
do you say groceries are the highest expense item?

Caitlin Green  28:25  
Absolutely I

Jann Arden  28:26  
am. I'm blown away. Every day I go in there to buy stuff that goes up every week well,

Caitlin Green  28:32  
and so the US dollar is obviously working against us when we go down there 30% Yeah, but when I look at the food costs of their grocery stores versus ours. I'm like, wait a minute, Canada is very broken, because it's so much cheaper to buy things there. You can get stuff there for a lot cheaper, and things that are gourmet, I mean, like gourmet popcorn, or all the fancy, you know, green options that are at these grocery stores, but they're priced lower. So if you were getting paid in US dollars, you'd be spending a lot less. Not to say that it isn't still more expensive than it used to be, but I was shocked. Like, they have a type of cottage cheese that I'm obsessed with called good culture. It's so much more affordable than our cottage cheese, which here is actually also way worse. Like, there's their popcorn there, they have a popcorn that you would love Jan because they use nutritional yeast called Bjorn corn, and it's so much cheaper than the popcorn here. Like I don't understand it. It doesn't make sense to me.

Jann Arden  29:25  
I had Bjorn corn at the Betty fjord clinic many, many years ago. Okay, I'll stop. I'll find myself out. We

Caitlin Green  29:34  
need to come up with a name for your voices. I'm gonna work on that because I need a name for that voice and also for the little like baby voice?

Unknown Speaker  29:40  
Yes, of course you do.

Jann Arden  29:44  
That was a different that's new, is it? What are you talking about?

Unknown Speaker  29:48  
Listen, what's

Jann Arden  29:49  
going on. I'm telling you right now you brought you broads are busting my balls today. Okay, you're busting my balls. If I want to talk about. Benny fjord. I'm gonna talk about Benny fjord

Unknown Speaker  30:03  
like Mob Wives. Okay?

Jann Arden  30:05  
Mob Wives, well, I'm so glad you had a good trip, and you're right. I'm really gonna backtrack here. I think the listener wants to know what a factor meal is, because I know I do.

Caitlin Green  30:15  
Factor is a meal delivery service that is popular here in Toronto. I see a lot of their boxes coming to our condo building, but also just on porches everywhere. And instead of making your own meal, where they send you the ingredients, the meals are pre made, and so you can do a set amount per week. And honestly, when you again discussing the food costs nowadays, when you factor in how much you're spending on groceries, and then the amount of time that you're spending to make the food and then clean it up, and you would assign that $1 value to each hour you're spending doing that. It does actually save you money, and it's sure as hell cheaper than Uber Eats and takeout, and it's much better for you. It's

Sarah Burke  30:50  
owned by HelloFresh. Is it owned by HelloFresh?

Unknown Speaker  30:52  
No,

Sarah Burke  30:53  
they just offer the two different like subscription models. Yeah. Oh,

Caitlin Green  30:56  
that's very smart. Okay, so this is so I love it. I fell in love with it because it made our lives so much easier when we found that our evenings were so evenings were so busy preparing food for will, then putting him to bed, then cleaning up, then we were making food for ourselves and cleaning that up like I just during the week, didn't want to do it. And their vegan options are amazing. They do stuff with tofu. They do better tofu than I could certainly make at home. And they last night we had a butter like chicken style tofu. So it's the butter chicken sauce, but it's still vegan, and it's on tofu with vegetables, and all this a mix of lentils rice. I know it was really good. So again, like, Please sponsor us factor, because I legit love your service. And we we do it four meals a week, I

Jann Arden  31:39  
think, in the long run, and this has been, you know, studied, is that a lot of times these meal services are going to cost you less per meal than if you were to get in your car, go to the grocery store, get your stuff, you know, park all those things, your time commitment. So if you want to do that once in a while, there's, there's a lot of meal services here, and I will do them if I know I'm going to be home for like, a two or three week stretch. And they actually dropped them at my gate. I'm like, just hang the bag on my gate. Sprout. Shout out to sprout. They're an amazing service here in Calgary. They're they're completely vegan. They don't do any other meals. But it was they started up during covid, husband and wife making meals in their kitchen, and it has really taken off. They have a giant like facility now, and they're doing really, really well. One more food thing, Stefanos, S, T, E, F, A, N, O, is in Toronto, and I am so jealous. It is a oh the sandwich. Oh yeah, it is a sandwich place, so it's owned by the same women as they run Gia. Gia. The address is 1265, Dundas Street, West. Get your ass to Stefanos. It is the best Big Mac, the best chicken, the best fish.

Sarah Burke  32:59  
Air quoting.

Jann Arden  33:00  
No, I'm air quoting right now. It is. It is beyond anything, any flavor, profile, texture, mouth texture. I've never, I've never had a better sandwich in my life. They do a deli sandwich. They do. I cannot speak highly enough. I'm going to be in Toronto for a little thing called the live podcast event with the Jan Arden pod, with two girls that I know really well. And the first thing I'm going to do when I wake up on the 30th, because I'm going to be there a day early, I'm going to Stefanos, and they open at 3pm and I'm going to go get some and I'm I'm going to fuck Noom right out the window, and I'm going to have. I'm gonna have some french fries. I'm Stefanos. I'm so jealous. Okay,

Caitlin Green  33:48  
yeah, so their website says, I will say. Their website says that they are opening soon at 1265, Dundas west. So I think that that location opens up September 26 and that's what it looks like from their way. They're doing

Jann Arden  34:03  
sandwiches out of GIA, though, so you can get a sandwich out of GIA, and then

Caitlin Green  34:07  
they're all gonna be at veg to fest, which is September 21 and 22nd and it's a big vegan and vegetarian food festival that takes place here in Toronto, which would also be if, oh, I wish I was there. I know that would be great. Should have planned this better, I know, if only we but when we did our next gen gets a booth, we did our company dinner at GIA, and I'm telling you, is one of the best meals I had of the year. It was so, truly, so good. And I'm not full vegan or full vegetarian, but I and nor are they. Yeah,

Jann Arden  34:37  
they can, know they can veganize anything at GIA, but she they don't do meat like they don't do things like that, but I know they do some egg, some cheese, that's it. So vegetarian vibe. But all the menu items say, veganize this. No problem. But it is. It is superb.

Caitlin Green  34:51  
Yeah, you're not losing anything. It's so delicious. So I definitely want to check out those sandwiches and that honeys ice cream that was recommended to us by I think it was. Or in Ireland, or maybe it was one. Maybe it was talking about honeys ice it's better than any actual ice cream I've ever had. I'm not joking. The cookie dough ice cream, and you can buy it by the pint, is so fan, like, I've gained at least five pounds from that ice cream. It's derailed my Noom experience. I can't have it in the house. I can, like, go get as a little treat. But and even my husband, who's a huge ice cream fan, said the same thing he's like, is the best ice cream I've ever had. So vegan stuff is coming a

Jann Arden  35:28  
long way. One more food item, and I cannot you, can you? Can I get it? No, I get a message this. This involves dogs. Okay, so I get a message yesterday on Instagram from FHR YYC. They are a rescue. Basically, they are they, they look after dogs, they they're an adoption place. They're an amazing FHR in YYC. This was the note, hello, Jan. We hope you are doing well. We have a very special private event coming up, a three course tasting menu. And I'm thinking, oh, you know, God knows, for 20 lucky dogs, this unique event will take place at the dandy Brewing Company in Inglewood on the evening of october 11. We would be absolutely honored to offer your pup one of the 20 spots. So I think Poppy would be like the worst possible dog to do this, because he this is him, if you're not on YouTube, I'm turning my face abruptly to the side, refusing to put anything near my mouth, but maybe he would do okay if I starved him for three days. Anyway, I just thought to Carmen and everyone you know, the FHR I would love to go. I'm still gonna see if I can clear that date. But how fun to be at a table with 20 dogs with bibs, doing a three course tasting menu, like I just laughed out lot. It's such a great way to raise money, money

Caitlin Green  36:54  
and awareness. Because, like, obviously, these are sort of, like I would imagine these, like doggy influencers, kind of

Jann Arden  37:00  
and probably some of their clients, some of their residents. Imagine being the

Caitlin Green  37:05  
servers, though, I don't know.

Okay, wait on that note, we didn't we talked a little bit. I sent the voice note about the debate, but while we're talking about this,

Unknown Speaker  37:22  
they're eating dogs. They're eating cats. The

Sarah Burke  37:24  
different memes that have popped up in the last the

Caitlin Green  37:27  
songs, oh man, the gift that this clip was to the internet. I just You knew it was gonna be something else when he said it, I couldn't believe it. I was screaming at my TV in like, rural upstate New York, but

Sarah Burke  37:41  
with your American friends, how did you feel being amongst Americans watching the debate? Because that you didn't really

Caitlin Green  37:47  
tell us they were really, like everyone's really kind of, I think, on the same page geopolitically. So there wasn't, at least

Sarah Burke  37:55  
in Hudson Valley,

Caitlin Green  37:56  
yeah, for sure, but you know, we still saw Trump flags. And I'm certain there are people who, whether or not they necessarily love Donald Trump, they probably always will vote for whoever the Republican candidate is. I'll say that there are people who are just like, Sorry, I'll just, I'll always be voting with the party, and that's just the way they think so. But it was, it's interesting, and it was a huge topic of conversation, not just during the debate and on the debate night, but all around it, leading up to it, and then after, because they're talking about, you know, there's always this. People are going to leave, you know, if he wins, if he comes back, then we're going to sell our place, we're going to we're going to move to wherever. And I take that with a grain of salt, because I don't know how many people actually do that, but I was even just looking at real estate, because I love the area so much. I was just curious about how much houses cost. And even people who I was talking to the director of their spa, and she was like, Well, you know, it might get a lot more affordable here soon. If he wins, I was like, Do you think housing prices are going to go down because Donald Trump wins? Like, I don't know. I'm not I'm not there, but a huge topic of discussion, and as a Canadian, we're just sitting here going like, well,

Jann Arden  38:57  
I don't think he'll win. I don't think he'll win. It seems close. It does seem close, but I think, I think it's going to be 1% one and a half percent, and I think the Democrats will win. I think common sense will prevail. And I think people are quite frightened of him. And even, even if people don't say, even the real Trumpers, they'll probably still tell their friends I voted for him fucking I think they're even frightened of what can happen when you say you have a concept of a plan. And Sarah and I were talking about this last week, you know your plan for this and that, or healthcare? Well, I have a concept of a plan. Okay, then I'm going to run for president, because I too have a concept for a plan. And he's like,

Caitlin Green  39:36  
I haven't really talked to my VP about his thoughts on, well, you should have, even though he's going around telling everyone what this plan is, I'm like, and so it's just you couldn't watch that. Beyond his performance around the economy, which was sort of the only place he kept it on the rails, which many people that are only going to vote based on that. But beyond that piece, you've got to be a bit freaked. Out about the eating people's pets like that can't be like that. Just cannot be. So I do feel as though he would have run away with the election if he was against Joe Biden. And I think that there is a feeling of relief that the party young

Jann Arden  40:18  
young women are excited. Young women are excited. And it's it was obviously the abortion thing was a much bigger issue than he thought. They're backtracking completely now and then that whole thing about they're killing nine month old babies, you know, soon as they're born there, they're murdering them. That was another thing

Caitlin Green  40:34  
I love. THE MODERATOR being immediately like, actually, that doesn't happen anywhere in the US anyway. Finally, it's like, yeah, poor David Muir, also that guy. He had to just sit there and be like, I had to call the city controller in Springfield and find out if what you're saying is a load of crap. And in fact, it is. And then he had to just, I can't imagine being like a trained journalist and having to say, having to debunk a story about people eating pets. Well,

Jann Arden  41:02  
then Vance was saying it was just a story, but that you need to bring attention to the to the immigrant population. He literally admitted. He said, it's a story. It's, it's like, you know, you tell stories to bring attention to things. She's, he's like, Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Anyway, it's, he's been suspended on Tiktok again, because he basically said, I hate Taylor Swift. It caused all kinds of problems. He threatened her, death threats and stuff. It is. It's hate speech, and Elon Musk says, I hate to do this. But having said that, Elon Musk also spoke about something. He should be removed on his own platform, because he said it's very interesting. You know, someone just said there hasn't been any attempts on Kamala and Biden. You know what's what's with that? Basically, he said on Twitter, on X fuck, whatever. I don't give a shit. But to say something like that, no one has attempted Biden or Kamala Harris, I mean that that is an invitation to incite violence. He should be off his own platform, but anyway, Trump is suspended again. No one's even

Caitlin Green  42:05  
really on that platform. Like, still, like, he's destroyed Twitter, and it's like a backwater swamp of just internet trolls run them. You guys find

Sarah Burke  42:15  
this like, because I don't go on Twitter a lot anymore, but when I do, I'm like, I'm not following this person. I'm not following that, like, why is my feed? And, like, even our janitor and pod account, when I log into that to do some of our posts, like, the things that I'm seeing in our timeline, I'm like, we definitely don't follow these people, and these are definitely not our views. So the algorithm is completely messed up

Caitlin Green  42:36  
well, and also it's just these trash accounts where all they do is aim for, like, the it's not anything breaking news. It's nobody who's there to be like a thought leader in any way. It's just an account that's called, like, creepy facts, and then they just dig up old things that would have been like, from like a board panda page in 2009 like, it's, it's the worst type of internet content now, and I, started calling Elon Musk Leon after I saw someone doing the same thing online, and was like, this is actually relaxing, because he feels more like a Leon to me. And so when he started saying that, I just thought It's so disappointing that this could have been an individual who is remembered for taking people to space and, you know, doing amazing things with technology, but instead, he is going to be remembered as some sort of bizarre internet troll who, you know, fathered a million kids who can't stand him.

Jann Arden  43:30  
He's not well either. He's just not well, and he's one of the homeliest people. I'm no I'm no prize. I'm I am no prize myself, but he is the homeliest. He looks weird. He's doing weird things to his face. He just, I

Caitlin Green  43:48  
just, I don't understand it. I think someone needs, he just needs to go have like, a team of scientists in Switzerland study him or something, and maybe give him a better skincare routine. The

Jann Arden  43:58  
Liberals just lost a really big seat in the by elections to the Conservative Party, where

Sarah Burke  44:04  
liberals lost to the Montreal riding, to block. Oh, to block. Okay, yeah.

Unknown Speaker  44:09  
I mean, yeah. Well, it's

Jann Arden  44:10  
still interesting. It's a they're not going to win. The Liberals are definitely not going to win. It's hard

Caitlin Green  44:16  
to argue that they would after so many years in power. I just don't know that you can be at the helm of a country for so long without a certain percentage of voters wanting change, whatever that change looks like. They just wouldn't matter who was. I kind of agree with that. It's the same thing. It happened with different terms. Like, yeah, exactly. That's a long time. Like, so it's not it. Stephen Harper was in for a long time, and, you know, some people really liked what he did, some people didn't, but then they just end up vote. What they're doing is voting for something different, and I think that that's probably what will happen. I just what our other options look like when it comes to a platform is something so it's hard, but. If, if again, like you're seeing in the US, though, if you can pivot and give someone change within your party, then maybe people will become excited about that again. Because I think Kamala has really excited people in a way that Marcy Ian, oh, mean, whoever like come up with someone. Come on. Marcy Ian,

Jann Arden  45:20  
run for Prime Minister. So one little final thing before we move on, because we do have very exciting bonus material to speak about today, the Tiktok debate. Of them not having Tiktok available in the United States, a lot of people make their living on Tiktok. There's just a lot of influencers on Tiktok now, this week, they've started the path to actually speaking to this, as I mentioned. So what are your thoughts about Tiktok going away or having it removed? They're saying that they need to sell to American buyers or something, or the majority of them, in order for them to I don't know. I don't I'm so confused. But I know nothing about it. I'm hoping you guys know something.

Caitlin Green  46:04  
I don't know a ton about it, other than to say that I kind of I know what you know that they believe that this platform is being used to basically data farm us users, and they think this could be kind of like a backdoor entry into us user info. I do also think, though, that Tiktok has become a place where some people share information that might be seen as potentially like, kind of anti government in general, whether or not that's like brought about by foreign entities or it's just there was a moment in time where all these people were sort of being galvanized around reading this manifesto of Osama bin Laden, and so like, so I think there's a lot of stuff happening there that the government in general is like, hold on, hold on. Like, and it's brought to you by China. And so they're, they're finding that to be unsettling. It's a tough thing to police, though, because then what are your platforms doing in other countries, like, what roles are they playing? Then in other countries,

Jann Arden  47:13  
I don't affect us. Caitlin.

Caitlin Green  47:14  
I'm not sure if I would be surprised if Canada diverged from the US. I like

Jann Arden  47:19  
Tiktok. I just, I don't post that much, but I just love watching you all the different cooking stuff. Like I lurk. There's so many creative I have gotten so many recipes from Tiktok that are so super easy. And I'm like, wow, why didn't I think of that? That's so amazing. What you can do with a ramen noodle. Just go on Tiktok. Holy shitballs. Yeah.

Caitlin Green  47:42  
I mean, there's, it's, it is this whole, it's its own juggernaut of content and of and it's, you know, it's reworked how a lot of music industry works, for sure, entertainment, you know, people who have real success on Tiktok are then much more appealing to management companies to agents to Hollywood. So it is this entertainment success story, and the US doesn't own it, and that probably scares them to an extent. But I don't know much about what they found like if they've really found hard facts to support that, it's scary for them. So

Sarah Burke  48:17  
this is from Monday night Tiktok argued in court that a US law, which would see a banned unless it is sold by byte to dance, would have a staggering impact on the free speech of its American users. The law was prompted by concerns that US users data is vulnerable to exploitation by China's government, but it points back to that it's already American owned and American funded, so it's based in Singapore.

Caitlin Green  48:43  
My thought too, though, is, you know, previously it was this issue that the heads of these companies, these platforms, these social media platforms, were not going to be held personally responsible, and the management, the upper level management at these platforms, would not be held responsible for all the information that is disseminated on their platforms. But then you saw the recent case of Russian entities paying influencers to disseminate misinformation on their platforms. Now in Canada, there was a couple that was charged with this, but they said that they were unaware that it was the Russian government giving them money, you know, paying them to do sponsored content that it was just this sort of like random online person who reached out to them and wants to sponsor their content. They only later find out that it's the Russian government, but i It's all part of figuring out on the fly as we go, how all of these platforms need to be held accountable for what they're doing to people's brains and to their attention and their focus.

Jann Arden  49:46  
How much of that onus is on the user, how much of the onus is on us? Oh,

Caitlin Green  49:50  
exactly, yeah. I mean a lot. But if they're making so much money off of it, and then they're taking

Jann Arden  49:56  
like the money is beyond belief, yeah. It

Caitlin Green  50:00  
is con it's, you know, I I really get torn down the middle. So I'm, yeah, I would be, it would I would be surprised, like, if all of a sudden you just see tick tock disappear, like they would feel like a bit crazy to me. But, I mean, I'm not, it's not my platform of choice. So wouldn't impact my day to day. But I feel like the ripple effect would be, would be,

Sarah Burke  50:19  
generally, it feels like less people are talking about Tiktok now than even a year ago, right? Like, I feel like it's like fading out, okay,

Jann Arden  50:27  
well, we always see everyone's always saying, what's the next Tiktok? I wonder what that is. Just as a little sidebar to cross this T and dot this i Elon Musk's post, which said no one is even trying to assassinate Biden Kamala, his post was viewed over 34 million times and received 151,000 likes before he ultimately deleted it overnight. So what the fuck he needs to suspend himself.

Sarah Burke  50:59  
The T is crossed, the eye is dotted,

Unknown Speaker  51:02  
yeah, um, he, he

Caitlin Green  51:03  
didn't, he didn't buy that platform so that he could be, like, held accountable. He bought it so that he could own his own, like mouthpiece, and that all of his little minions would go there, and it would just be this echo chamber of Leon fans. So if you want

Sarah Burke  51:19  
an interesting look into Elon Musk, there's an episode of

Jann Arden  51:24  
South Park. No.

Sarah Burke  51:27  
Jen, that was quick. I like that. It's on my audible. Let me bring it up. Is it search engine? No, it's Michelle from Dragon's Den. Oh, her, her series.

Jann Arden  51:38  
He's her guest,

Sarah Burke  51:39  
the brother.

Unknown Speaker  51:40  
Oh, of Elon,

Sarah Burke  51:42  
yeah. So it was an interesting look on their family. I'll put it in the show notes, okay, yeah, if you, if you care to want

Jann Arden  51:50  
to waste some time, sibling stuff is very interesting. I would be interested in what his take

Sarah Burke  51:55  
was. Here it is. It's called the revisionaries search

Caitlin Green  51:58  
engine did, which is one of my favorite podcasts. It's hosted by PJ vote, and they did a little bit of a breakdown on what exactly is wrong with Elon Musk, and went through all the various internet theories. And this is really, it's really something. And I'll tell you at some point, they do dig into the theories that it's it could just be as simple as you know, someone who's taken a lot of drugs and, I mean, and not know, so it

Sarah Burke  52:27  
might have been the horse tranquilizer. I mean, yeah, yeah.

Jann Arden  52:29  
Well, listen, as always, we've got some great voice notes from you guys, and what we've been doing the last three weeks or so is we haven't been screening them. So we don't listen to them and decide who we're going to play. We just play them. We comment live

Sarah Burke  52:47  
as we're going. Actually, the file names come in as numbers, so I have no idea. So we

Jann Arden  52:52  
don't know if it's so if you're wondering, you know why? Perhaps one of your voice notes hasn't been played. Please don't despair. We're we can't play them all obviously. We rotate time limitations, so we do rotate, and we just pick them randomly. So here we go, um, Caitlyn, we're very glad to have you back. I don't know how this is going to end. If this voice note might say, You guys are the worst, I'm never listening again, and that's that. But we'll see what happens. But anyways, we're

Caitlin Green  53:21  
glad you're back. Imagine they were like, keep her off.

Jann Arden  53:24  
No, jeez,

Sarah Burke  53:26  
I'm cutting you guys off with a voice note. Here

Unknown Speaker  53:28  
we go. Okay,

Speaker 2  53:29  
hi there, Jan, Sarah and Caitlin. It's Donna from Toronto. And yeah, my second voice note, I just finished up your podcast on free range children and a couple of really cool points in there that I just wanted to comment on. And the one was around, you know, like ticket sales, and I hadn't realized over the years how expensive the resale situation is getting for people like myself who would love to go to a concert, but when I see that basically Live Nation and StubHub and all these people are, you know, they're, they're ones making all the money, I wonder, as artists like, how they feel about the fact that, you know, as a consumer of art, I don't Want to pay these people. I would pay face value like I did way back in 1985 or 86 in Newfoundland, where I saw Tina Turner on her first show of the private dancer tour, and I paid 20 bucks and got to stand right in front of Tina. And so I consider that a reasonable price. And I think Jan, early in the 90s, I might have paid about that much to see you at Memorial Stadium. This is an outrage at St John's as well. Great show, by the way. And I actually had an opportunity to meet you that night because we were downtown at a club, and it was gay club, and I saw. You there. So I went over. I said, Hi, how are you doing, Jan? And he had a little chat with me. And it was kind of cool, for sure. And so later on, in 1996 I had my first date with someone who would become my wife, and is still my wife, and it was at your concert back again in St John's Newfoundland.

Jann Arden  55:21  
I'm magically that's just my

Unknown Speaker  55:24  
first thinking. When I was listening to that, okay,

Sarah Burke  55:26  
she cut herself off there. But I think the question is, as an artist, how do you feel about all the fees? I

Jann Arden  55:31  
don't care. It's it's sad. It's sad for the consumer. But I have nothing to do with it. We have nothing to do with it. We have no control over it. Nothing at all. Okay? I mean, I told you, someone tried to sell me my own ticket.

Sarah Burke  55:46  
That's true in that episode, and I have

Jann Arden  55:49  
there's nothing people can do. It's never going to go away. Whether it's a guy standing in a crowd, this is what you would have seen in the 80s and the 90s, is literally someone standing there. Need a ticket. Need a ticket. It's like selling drugs, fentanyl, coke, pot, hash. What do you want? It would just be tickets. But

Caitlin Green  56:03  
I think Biden was coming up with a platform to derail some of this. Yeah, monopolies the Yeah. So I think that, you know, it's not on the artist can't do anything about it because they're caught in the same big web of it, because it's impacting their fans. And I think Taylor Swift had come out and tried to do something about it, and Arcade Fire has done ticket lotteries. But I do can't

Jann Arden  56:26  
fight Live Nation. You can't fight that system. It's not like you can have an Eventbrite for millions and millions and millions and millions of people that are trying to get your tickets. And we just talked about the site crashing for Oasis, right? Yes,

Caitlin Green  56:39  
yeah, oh for sure. So I do. I feel like the government's aware that there's something amiss here, but they're gonna have to be the bigger person. There's

Sarah Burke  56:47  
stuff coming like we gotta watch this next year is gonna be quite I think pivotal in this whole fight again. I hope so the monopoly. Okay, next one. Here we go. Okay,

Speaker 3  56:56  
Hi Jan. Jan. Hi Caitlin, hi Sarah. I just love you girls. I've been listening since before the pandemic, and I'll tell you, you, you Jan, Jan and Caitlin, you girls really pulled me through. There are some tough times back then, and I've just loved how your podcasts have developed. And as humans, that's how we're supposed to we're supposed to keep getting better and developing and be a better person. And I just learned so much. I laugh, I cry every every week. I just look forward to listening, tuning in. And you really pulled me through some tough, tough times, through the pandemic. And boy, that seems like such a long time ago, and I remember you, Jan saying all the time, oh, we don't know what the hell we're doing, but you know you ladies just made me laugh, made me cry a few times with Susan Dunn, that was a real teachable moment for all of us, following your your lead And just the compassion and the bravery that you're showing. Well,

Sarah Burke  58:03  
thank you. That was Tracy. That was Tracy. Thank you, Tracy.

Speaker 4  58:06  
Jan Miss Caitlin and Miss Sarah. My name is Jojo, and I'm a proud only Jans member. I'm leaving a voice message in honor of my mom, Jeanette, who turns 97 today, and in dog years, that's a lot of goddamn years. I absolutely love this podcast. Three of you are like a great recipe. You're all so good together. This last podcast touched so many great topics. One the Paralympics. Wow. Those Olympians. They're just great athletes, and they're amazing human beings. They could teach us abled bodies a thing or two. The other one was the simple pleasures in life that are underrated topic. Wow, so good, too. My simple pleasure is swinging on this homemade swing that this guy made down at the ocean with driftwood. And it's on the beach overlooking the ocean, so watching the waves and the dogs chasing a stick together. Great pleasure. Every day I try and do that. And thirdly, thanks Miss Jan for making the album. These are the days. So many good songs on there. Oh my goodness. But the song along goodbye has really gotten me through a few long nights as we transition my 97 year old mom into a residence so difficult, but it had to get done. So in closing, I'd like to say, Thanks for keeping it real and sharing these wonderful podcasts with all of us. And will you leave all three of you with a question. This is a question for all three of you. What piece of clothing or footwear would you never throw out because it's your go to comfort wear at home. Thanks very much, and keep on podcasting. Cheers.

Sarah Burke  59:51  
Oh, that was nice.

Jann Arden  59:52  
Thank you so much. That was JoJo question too. Jojo question,

Sarah Burke  59:56  
okay,

Caitlin Green  59:58  
mine is not my. It's weirdly new, but I already know that it's going to be the thing I keep and buy in many colors. And it's a sweat suit from gap, oh, and it's called the vintage Raglan sweatsuit, I believe. And it's like a it's light and airy and warm and soft. And they come in these amazing colors. And I bought it in this sort of faded red, and it's just It looks kind of like it looks weirdly chic, and it's so soft and comfortable, it's like wearing a cloud. And I never want to take it off. Buy a million of them. So

Jann Arden  1:00:32  
get get yours before Caitlyn goes and buys them all. I

Sarah Burke  1:00:35  
say we deserve a picture in the Instagram stories this week, you should for Jojo. For jojo, look for our only Jans, yeah, and the only Jans. Put it through Instagram. I will, actually, I'm gonna

Caitlin Green  1:00:45  
put it on our Patreon. I will.

Sarah Burke  1:00:47  
There you go. I have this, like, off the shoulder, bleach dyed by accident, Pink Floyd shirt. Oh, that I bought in on the beach in Santa Monica on a trip with a girlfriend, and I had just had, like, like, a Tarot reading, and then I bought this shirt, and, like, it is so thin because I've worn it to death. It's my go to I sleep in it in the summer. In the winter. Doesn't matter how hot it is, like, I just love it. So that's mine. I maybe, maybe, if you're lucky, you'll see a really disgusting picture of my ratty Pink Floyd shirt.

Caitlin Green  1:01:21  
Do it?

Jann Arden  1:01:22  
I mean, now that I've had time to think about this, mine is just not at all what I thought it would be. It's a t shirt that I bought used from Vespucci, which is a kind of an upscale consignment store in Calgary. And my friends, Cynthia Loyce, drags me there all the time. But I like going. You have to really be dedicated to go through those racks, like it's a lot of stuff. So it's a black T shirt. It's got holes in it. It's the t shirt company's called the Great,

Caitlin Green  1:01:51  
oh my god. They're so good. Okay,

Jann Arden  1:01:54  
so you know what that is. So it's a faded black T shirt, and the sleeves are just the right size for me. They're not a cap, but they're not a boy's too long, like down to your elbow, and the shoulder seams are small. So I I'm not very wide across the top. And this t shirt, I wear it three times a week, and I love this t shirt so much, and I already think about, should I wash it every time like that? Hole's getting bigger, so I've already stitched a hole in it. And I think if it gets any bigger, I'm going to take it to my alterationist girl. She does fixes my jeans, and I got a pair of jeans Tiffany Pratt, she's painted them for me, and they, I've spent $300 fixing them, fixing the crotch. The crotch was falling out. The ass just is getting fixed. Now there's a big ass thing. No, they're 25 year old jeans. What's

Unknown Speaker  1:02:52  
in your day to day?

Jann Arden  1:02:53  
No, they're just, they're just old jeans. I've worn them and washed them so many times. The fabric, the denim, is paper thin. So to tie it all together,

Caitlin Green  1:03:02  
because the great is a clothing brand that's a very, very high end leisure wear, and I think they're from LA, and they're beautiful, though, like what you're describing Jan is just an everyday basic that they have put so much thought and effort into the sizing of it and the material they use, and that accounts for the astronomical price tag. But you bought it vintage, so it would have been less.

Sarah Burke  1:03:24  
Thank God, because on their site, it's 120 I think it was

Jann Arden  1:03:27  
40 bucks. And I thought it was crazy. For 40 bucks, I used t shirt and I bought it normally, like,

Caitlin Green  1:03:32  
there's they have sweat suits that would be like, like, $400 but when I bought this sweat suit from gap, I put it on, I came out of the change room, and I said to myself, this looks like the great this. Stop it. Yes, I'm not even joking. And I've, I've recommended it to so many girlfriends. Now all my friends have, like, bought this sweatsuit, and I'm gonna, I'll do an Instagram story about it, because it is a dupe for the great. It is soft. It's beautiful, but

Jann Arden  1:03:56  
so now I gotta go to the

Caitlin Green  1:03:57  
fucking gap. No, no. Just order it online. Sort it online, and it's

Jann Arden  1:04:01  
called the what sweatsuit. So

Caitlin Green  1:04:02  
the the sweatshirt is called the vintage Raglan sweatshirt, and I bought it in like a favorite in the show notes, please Sarah will and then the pants are the boyfriend cut because I don't like a I don't always love a drawstring on a sweatpant. I think it can look like more chic without them. And it's like a high rise. And it's a fitted, elasticized ankle, which I also think looks nice and more pulled vintage,

Sarah Burke  1:04:24  
soft, regular. Ladies and gentlemen, you

Jann Arden  1:04:26  
think that fashion did that? Jojo that's probably way more information that you needed. I'm surprised by my favorite thing. I have so many lovely clothes. If we can't show we're gonna say goodbye now. Thanks for listening to the Jan Arden podcast and show. Sarah Burke Caitlin, green, great to have you back. And I'm Jan, we have a Patreon. We have a Patreon. It's five bucks a month, and you get all kinds of fun things, but we really appreciate your support and

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Jann Arden  1:04:58  
Thank you so much. Let's. At 500

Caitlin Green  1:05:00  
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Jann Arden  1:05:12  
Okay, we're gonna go do that right now. Thanks for listening all your favorite platforms. You can find us wherever you want. We'll see you next time. Toodle, doo, you