The Era of Booing

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Hi everybody. It's Jan Arden. You're listening to the brand new podcast that has just dropped in your ears right as we speak this second, I'm here with Caitlin green, Sarah Burke, I'm in my Calgary, Alberta, home, spring bank, Alberta. But I can almost see Calgary through the trees. If I were to get binoculars, I could almost, no, I couldn't see. I couldn't No, there's nothing. There's just trees. You girls are in Toronto, and here we are. Another week has gone by, and it feels like I just spoke to five seconds ago with Mr. George strombelopoulos, and what a great guest. Really enjoyed having him me

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too. He's great. I felt like there was almost an embarrassment of riches being like, there's too many quotable things from George here, and

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how many frisky women were excited to learn about underpants of both you and George

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Bucha, Okay, moving on. The Super Bowl. I do want to talk about this. I do like a half time show. To be honest, I didn't even know who was playing until sort of the day before the chiefs and the Eagles. I know nothing about them. The only reason I know anything about the Chiefs is because, of course, Taylor Swift's boyfriend, and we're going to get to the Taylor Swift boo here as well, because I really want to weigh in on that, and I want to hear your thoughts. If you didn't watch well, you'll find out what we're going to talk about. So the game happened. Of course, we all love watching the halftime show. I don't care if it's good, bad and different. I don't care if the artist isn't really in my wheelhouse. I love a halftime show, the work that goes behind them, the choreography, the production value, in and of itself, is is so mind boggling. And it's about an 18 minute piece, 15 to 18 minute piece that these people do and they practice for a year, like they now will probably, in the next two weeks, start getting ready for next year's halftime show. So Kendrick Lamar, a little bit of a controversial choice, but Caitlin, I'm going to throw this over to you, walk us through what you thought, and then I'll tell you what I thought.

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So I will recognize that you know Kendrick Lamar, I think is an out is like an outside the box choice for a halftime show right out of the gate. Why? Well, because he is, I would say, more of a niche hip hop artist in that this is a highly intelligent, cerebral creative guy, and so some of the layers to kind of his work naturally are not going to like be it for the masses, because I don't think everyone is necessarily inclined to dissect the lyrics of every song they listen to. Maybe they just listen to it and they're like, this is catchy. This is a club hit. This is fun, whatever. And I don't know that Kendrick's music lends himself to that. However, he has had a crazy amount of success following him very much, winning very loudly, winning the feud that happened between him and Drake publicly. So he is living in this cultural moment and and had this, you know, huge success with the song Not like us, which is a very direct attack on Drake and his character, and and also just kind of the production as a banger. It's a DJ named DJ Mustard, who's so good, I argue that he deserves as much of the success that Kendrick is seeing like as Kendrick does. Because I'm like, well, without that without that beat, without his production, I don't know where Kendrick would find himself, but I digress. So I kind of felt like sometimes with the artists you see at the halftime show, you want to celebrate like their whole catalog, and you also really want to celebrate all the memories you've had and the way that you've listened to them over years of your life, and kind of get out of your seat and go like, Oh yeah that song, and oh yeah this song. And he did not do that. No,

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I kept waiting. I'm thinking, oh here. No, that's not what's happening. It seemed like a very laser focused statement to the political climate. And Samuel Jackson was an interesting, you know, guy to play, Uncle Sam and his his narrative kind of weaving through Kendrick songs. I just thought, what is happening here? I think this is like an anti Trump direct message to the Trumpers out there. You know, you pick the wrong guy soon as he jumped off the car as soon

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as he jumped off the car. And so there's a few things. There's, there's real symbolism for him that I think is very meaningful for him and to his super fans, but to the your average viewer, I don't, wouldn't have a clue, wouldn't have a clue, like that car. So the car that he came out in is on the cover of his most recent album, GNX. This Super Bowl, to me, felt like the biggest success, the most excited you see him get on stage, the most amped the crowd is getting is as a result of this feud with Drake. So number one, that's kind of was my first thought. I also thought it's a lot of songs off his most recent album release. That's from 2024 it's GNX, and the show felt like a GN x Promo vehicle his tour to support that. Album is with sizza. She was the only artist that came out on stage with him. I was so grateful

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when she started singing. I was like, thank God. I was like, oh, a melody, because you do need a break from the Rat Attack. The power of rap. When someone's doing it right, it comes at you, and it is a lot to absorb, and to be honest, on most people's television screens. You guys, I couldn't really make out because I wasn't familiar with the songs. It's hard to understand. It was hard to understand the messaging. But now that I've kind of gone through everything and seen a lot of the clips, and you actually have, you know, that bar of you know the words are, it's like karaoke. You can see the Tick Tock clips, all the social media clips have the bar running underneath of the lyrics. And I was like, Oh, that's cool. Okay, I get that, but it's a lot. So when she started singing Hallelujah,

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I also was like, hell yeah, for some feminine energy. Because the other thing I thought about was that, you know, the year that we've just had in pop culture and in music was very female driven, very female led, and this show was very like male energy and so and the feud is two men, and they're feuding over some pretty masculine, you know, penile measurement type of stuff. And to a degree that's lost on me, because I feel like we're in an era of Sabrina carpenter and Beyonce and Taylor Swift and Chapel Rowan and doci and people who come out on stage and are really doing choreography. And I think his production elements were very, very high end. I think that visually, a lot of care was put into this. Samuel L Jackson was so fun to see Serena Williams. Incredible. Serena Williams

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doing her little Crip Walk,

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yeah, Jan, it's called the Crip Walk. Okay,

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well, I Crip Walk, even in my yard. I Crip Walk constantly. So I'm very familiar with your crocs. I Crip Walk to the garden. I Crip Walk to the shitter. I Crip Walk. This is a crock walk. Yeah, you're right, sir, it's a okay, sorry, I do the croc walk. The Sport Croc rock. Yeah,

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it's a lot. And that is the thing, and so, and some hip hop is much more melodic. I mean, when you saw the show that was the celebration of West Coast rap, and it was Dr Dre, and it was Snoop, and then 50 cent came out, I think that that felt like everyone was at home in their living room dancing, like up off the couch. This was a lot. This is and Kendrick is, that's kind of the artist he is. So like, it's a lot. The era that he's living in is a bit villainous. He's coming for Drake. It's a bit dark, it's a bit aggressive. It's too

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bad you're wasting your energy on that, though, dude, it takes a lot of energy to be mad at somebody, or to have a grudge, to hold a grudge, I'm telling you, it makes you sick. It will make you sick.

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Yes, it's when Kendrick, to me again, is his most activated. It's when he when he turns and addresses the camera and not like us starts. I was like, that's the most energized I've seen him on stage tonight. That's the most involved I've seen him. So he does seem like he's coming from some place, Jan of like, having a a grudge. And this was his, like, grudge moment. I don't get it, I know, and it doesn't. It's so and that's the thing, it doesn't. It doesn't connect for a lot of people, really, it doesn't. And this is a mass audience so super crazy Hip Hop heads and intense Kendrick fans, fine. They probably loved it. His core audience, they probably loved it. That's a narrow section of the people who are watching the Super Bowl,

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yeah, it was a very niche thing anyway, moving on. So lot of things happened. There was a lot of moving parts. A lot of people are saying is one of the worst football games. Not that we give a crap, but throwing this out to Kathleen Madigan, who loves football, I bet you she could weigh in on this. My very, very funny comedian friend Kathleen Madigan is football crazy. Trump did make an appearance. Most of the clips are showing people booing. The place was booing, and there was some epic guys giving him the finger. There was there was a lot of people yelling traitor that you could hear on their cameras, like it was very he looked visibly uncomfortable. Trump looked uncomfortable like I don't know what he expects when he walks out there, but I don't think even his people are following the program right now. What he's I mean, farmers in America are just devastated about what is happening with some of these programs that he has shut down. And then, of course, there's a moment we all know it, the jumbotron goes up, and they often find celebrities in the crowd, and they put people up there. And, you know, it's a risky thing. I wouldn't want to be a super famous person with my head on a jumbotron, because it is a mixed bag of nuts. Let me tell you what. Sometimes people are going to cheer, and sometimes, in this case, on Sunday, there was a very audible boo for Taylor Swift. And I'm thinking, you idiots. This girl by herself, filled this fucking stadium. She Don't Need You. She don't need two teams, or the NFL, or anything of the sort. That girl walked in there. With some dancers and music that she had written and filled it so you guys can all screw off. I thought it was patty. I know it's not everybody, but I was cringing at home. I felt like, what is this country doing? What are you guys doing? Why would you boo this woman who's done more for music in the last three years than every artist combined what she's done for touring, how people are going to tour, how people are going to do merch, how they market themselves. What

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do we even think was behind the booing like? So that's what I was just going to

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ask. I don't know. Go tell you. Tell me what. I

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don't know why either. And then the only thing I'm left to do is, like, pause it. Were those Philly fans booing her because she represents Travis Kelsey and the Chiefs could

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be. There's also the question of the feud, which we won't go into, between Baldoni and Blake Lively, and how Taylor's name got dragged into it. But I don't know that

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football fans at that stadium care about that, because I feel like a Philly fan might boo if you're like Mrs. Chiefs, but I don't know, because I'm not a football girl.

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Whatever it was, it felt bad. It was awkward. It was awkward and crappy.

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Have you ever been booed like as a public person, Jim in a any sort of environment? No, no,

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I never have. But I'll tell you what. I'll just tell you right now, I'm not a famous person, and I'm not a celebrity. I'm an artist, and I think people know that of me, I don't present myself as a celebrity. I don't do celebrity stuff. Think about my brand. I don't actively pursue it. I'm not interested in it. I don't care about it. I mean,

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I just don't like if you go to a Calgary Flames game, you know, because that's like a hometown crowd for you. I went

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once with Nadine about a year and a half ago, her and her husband have seasons tickets, okay? And I sat there with my flames too gone. Nobody even noticed me. She introduced me to her friends who sit in front of them year after year after year. They're like, hi, Carol, this Jan. Oh, hi. Hey, her and her husband. We're all watching the game. I went into the game. We got our popcorn and our pop and nothing. There was absolutely nothing. I did not get thrown on the screen, but I also did not have anyone from my office saying, Jan's gonna beat the game. You know, I'm telling you, they all do it, all those people, they'll tell you what restaurant they're going to. I know that because I know people that do it. I know people that make sure that their offices and their point people phone ahead and let them know that they're doing they're going to be there. I just, I have no use for it. I don't know what. I don't know what the attraction is anyway. I did

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wonder, though, like we're living in a bit of what feels like a boo era, like booing, public booing. Well, speak to that. You know, we touched on it last week with George because he was talking about how there was booing of the US National Anthem at a hockey game recently because of the trade war and the tariffs. And he he said that, he described it as kind of like a precious Canadian broadcaster, like announcer was scolding the fans in the audience for doing that. And George's take was kind of like, let them do it, because we're going through so much. Everyone's freaking out. And there is a, there was a much bigger picture thing here. Less so about celebrity, but about, like, the US, Canada trade war of it all. But then I think about like, you know, the political discourse has become nastier. Like, Trump gets booed. You know, certainly Justin Trudeau went anywhere, he'd get booed. If Biden went somewhere, he'd get booed. I mean, people are getting booed. There's a decrease in decorum where people no longer feel like, oh, I shouldn't boot having

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said that, there was a Kamala Harris clip, yeah, cheering all around her. Oh, really absolute. People broke out in cheering. And I've seen this clip from three or four different angles on social media. She was at the game. I don't know where this clip is from. I can't speak to that, but she came in. It was a big crowd. And, you know, anything can have aI elements to it, I suppose. But people were so happy. Where there was cameras everywhere, people were cheering her. So I interrupted you, and I'm very sorry, but,

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yeah, no, I just, I feel, I do feel like that might account for some of it, but I didn't just like you guys. I didn't know. I saw it happen. And I went, Oh, this feels bad. I feel awkward. Why is everyone so mad at Taylor Swift? And to the point where I googled it to be like, is she currently in the headlines for something trending? That's bad. And then I thought, maybe it's just aggressive Philly fans. Maybe they're just like, I don't know. Fly. Eagles. Fly. Let

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me ask you this, does the national anthem belong in sporting events?

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Oh, that's I'm I mean, sure I don't know, because I just don't care about about this stuff the same way as everyone

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else do. We have to have the national anthem sung in Toronto before the Blue Jays play the Dodgers. Why are we doing it? Like, that's my question to you. I'm playing the devil's advocate here. What? Yeah, no, I'm I like

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thinking about it. When we have two countries playing each other, I think it makes sense, because it's almost just like, like, bring your fans together moment before the game. Although, if we really look at the history of national anthems, I think it started for other reasons. You know, it's. Not sports fandom. That's not the reason.

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It's about the supremacy of certain countries and the power that they wield over others sometimes, but you're talking about the Second World War, correct?

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Yes. And for NFL, for example, I mean, we're talking all American teams, so it like

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but they still sing the anthem before they play, whether it's whatever, they just sing the one anthem, if it's not. I mean, the Blue Jays are the only Canadian ball team, you know,

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in the league, but hockey, right? If we talk hockey, then you often have Canada and US. I'm just

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asking the question, if you listeners have any inclination telling us what your thoughts are about the national anthems, the antithesis of that is that the Invictus Games this past weekend, they had the opening ceremonies. These are all veterans that have disabilities now and that are doing all these amazing athletics. It's amazing what they do, if you get a chance to watch them. So they had the opening ceremonies. The Americans came out, I believe the premier of BC came out and did British Columbia came out and did a little speech and talked about the anthem thing. And everyone was cheering. Everyone was doing that hard thing with their hands. When the Americans came out, when the Canadians came out, it was actually gave me a lump in my throat, because I thought, these people get it. Obviously, they had anthems, but it was a lot of cheering. So there are good people out there, and there are people that actually get it? Yeah,

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I've not. I've never really thought about the playing of the national anthem before events. I've just always done it. So, I mean, we did it at school every day. I mean, every day in elementary school, I stood up for the national anthem. Do you have a school song

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too, at all? J we meet with friends, we work and play with mine.

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I know that that melody was 1000 different schools, and you made it your own, but we had, we had to sing a school song in the morning. We

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didn't have a school song in the morning. We did have a school song that we did at certain like sporting events, but people do seem to like it. People like singing all together, actually, now that I think about it, they like standing up and singing for stuff and taking their hats off. Like people do like it. I'm trying to put myself in a position of, you know, play out the whole situation getting worse with the US, and I'm at a hockey game and the US National Anthem comes on, and they're crippling our economy. I might boo. I might go to a place of boo, if you think

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about it from the Olympic standpoint, because that's really like it happened with Olympics before it happened with any of these other sports. And it can be actually traced to world war one as well as World War Two. I just looked it up. But 1924 gold medal winning athletes or teams, it's it's about the solidarity of the country competing, and they

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would play the anthem as they stood on the podium. So then somehow it trickled down to just sports. And they do it at, you know, the triple A, the double A. They do it in juniors as well. They do it at, yeah, you know,

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it's always about solidarity in some shape or form. But it really did begin for the troops more than it was for just fans, yeah, because

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you got to boost morale if you want everyone to be on the same page about something. And so I guess that's sort of what it is. And people often try to make the correlation, you know, between like, battles on the field for sports and all that stuff. It's not my wheelhouse. That's the thing. I'm not an athletically inclined person. I'm a style, if

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you put your mind to it, anything you wanted to good recall for Jen's mom,

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I like, I know I love hearing from Joan, but I mean, I think that, yeah, it's tough. I don't like seeing someone get booed. I generally don't, because I just it elicits sympathy. Immediately, for me, it is it feels bad, and except

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Trump. I was really happy to hear him get booed. And he heard it. He heard it. What I found interesting

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was that he's the only president in US history to go to a Super Bowl ever. And maybe if then other presidents went, they might have gotten booed. I don't know, but I think primarily the reason why they don't go is because it costs taxpayers so much because of the security $37 million yeah, so, like most of them don't go $37 million that

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Americans worked so

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hard for. Yeah? I mean, you want to talk about the Department of government efficiency. Hello, what? Where does the Super Bowl? It's not going

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to affect the things that affect him directly. It never will most

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presidents at this point, especially in their first, you know, year return to Office, they're pretty busy. So do they have time necessarily, to go? I don't know. Would they all want to go? Probably,

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they asked him on a Fox News interview, what was his name, John. Some rather, asked him if JD Vance was the guy that was going to step into the Republican Party's number one spot, you know, going in after this term is over, and he said he didn't even think about he went, No, oh, I'm like, Well,

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imagine being JD, what are you talking about? Just putting on your eyeliner at home, going, like, what?

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What is with the eyeliner thing? Does he actually wear eyeliner?

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I don't know. It looks like it. It was just trolling him. That's what I am. Just trolling him. Maybe

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this. Is a good time to move on.

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This Thursday, Lady Gaga is joining the very, very, very hot podcast. See what I did there, called hot ones. It's a YouTube show. Well, it's a podcast YouTube show. I'm sorry I call it a podcast, because I'm elderly, but literally, people go on there and they eat hot stuff, and Lady Gaga is going to do it. I couldn't do it because I have a capacity of, like, half a point of hotness. I can't do it. So you were talking about artists with new records, and was something to sell are not just doing mainstream terrestrial media. They are doing, you know, call her daddy. They're doing Joe Rogan. They're doing podcasts, and they're doing YouTube shows, because the reach is so huge, so and

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much more targeted, yes,

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much more cool, much more modern, like all those things, hot ones

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has an RSS feed, so it's a podcast. Good job. Jen, elderly and kicking it.

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I thought it was a podcast. I've watched it before.

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Like, I've loved this show for ages. And if you told anyone years and years ago that people eating increasingly spicy hot wings on a YouTube channel would be the biggest thing going for a promotional vehicle and an interview format, you'd be like, No, it's fun to watch. It's so fun to watch

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Table Talk. It's another podcast. It's a Jesse and Lenny ware her mom. They've had Cher I just listened to Kate Winslet like a couple weeks ago. I'm still getting caught up, but her mom cooks food, and they have them in their house. They come, ding, bing, bong, that door opens, and in they go. And it is, you can hear them chewing, and they had Jillian Anderson. I mean, they have huge guests, and they just, you know, I'm sure they're getting millions of dollars worth of advertising, but they're really great questions. The mom is very funny, and they're very affected by celebrity. It's a great podcast, so if you have some time to watch table manners, it's really good. But yeah, there's a lot of stuff with food. The only thing I ever did on camera with food is that they wanted me to sing whilst eating peanut butter. Oh, and it was hard, like, they would have, like, some peanut butter thing, and I'd have to eat it and and then try and sing, which is, it's virtually impossible, and, but that's the weirdest thing I've done

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with food. Was on TV or radio. It

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was, it was CTV, and I think it was in conjunction with the Jan show, they were doing something. Oh, okay, okay. Zoe Palmer was my guest, and whatever they were doing, we were doing promo, and I just kept apologizing to her. I'm like, sorry about the frickin peanut butter. I know it was a bunch of weird things. Wait,

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didn't you say that at one point too? You went to do promo way back in the day at a radio station, and they wanted you to sit hot

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tub full of milk. Yes, hot tub filled with milk and cereal, and you bought a box of cereal, dumped it in with me and the DJs and their balls floating around in there, and that all the money went to charity. But,

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yeah, okay, well, this was for a good cause. So

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you your your question is, you know, what our version of the hot stuff like, what would we do? Yeah, with hot food. I'm curious, just to know your thoughts, girls, what the hell would our version be? Not wings,

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it's like tofu. Well, they

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have vegan wings on hot ones. Now, Jan, you'd be happy to know

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they must, because it's just the sauce you put on them. Yeah, I can't do it. I feel physically sick, and it makes my heart go weird. Okay, the hot, hot sauces. I once ate a pepper in a stir fry, once by mistake, it was like this little, tiny pepper, and I just was chewing away. And soon as I hit it, I was like, Uh oh. And I felt like just a body weight. It was so tactile everywhere. I just felt it like in my breath and my heart felt funny. I

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grew hot peppers on my balcony one time, and we cut them up for like a fiesta Mexican dinner one night, and then later in the night, we may have been boyfriend at the time, we're making out. We're having some things, and there was some some burning in some areas that had nothing to do with anything but the peppers previously on our lips.

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Oh, who amongst us hasn't had that happen me? Okay,

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okay. Well, Caitlin and I are seasoned veterans in that I have forgotten

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about previously handling a pepper on more than one occasion. Yeah, and then, but also, also for us, for us, for everyone, it's not desirable.

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Hey, listen, I'm still thinking about the areas and what could have possibly happened to transfer. Okay, all right, let your

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mind wander. Let your mind

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wander. I'm not even gonna go there, but I'm sure it's quite surprising. I would liken it to the VIX Vapor Rub. Debacles never

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had that in my areas. It can happen.

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Okay, okay, well, I was trying to think of something that would be true to me, but unfortunately, the spicy element is kind of like a challenge, and it throws people off their game, and that's why I think it works so well, yeah, but I would like to do some version of drinking and baking, like you know, Seth Meyers does day drinking with Seth, and he takes people out and they day drink together. Ina Garten

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was so funny with him hell, because she really held her own. She she's a wonderful cook, cookbook author, certainly a celebrity food person, but she can drink. Yes, she can. He could not keep up with her, like he just couldn't do it. Seth

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gets genuinely hammered. I mean, a lot of people pretend to be drunk, and Seth is drunk when he does these, like, very, very intoxicated. And he's charming and funny, like, he's not a dark, negative drinker, he becomes very silly. And so I like cookies a lot, and I would be happy to bake, like I would bake a giant, big cake with someone and have drinks. Well,

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maybe when we get together, sometime, that can be something to look forward to, okay, like that. Maybe that could be, maybe that could be a Patreon extra is that when we get together, at some point that we, we set up our little cameras and we, we do some baking, a tall House cookie. Oh, I love

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a cookie. I love a cookie. So, yeah, anything something to do with that would be for me, it's not reinventing

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the wheel. So many shows have done it, but like, it is very funny, when you get people high, just saying, yeah,

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it is, yeah, they could have cubist journeys, and everyone turns into a mushroom. Oh yeah. It took me

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a minute to remember what we were talking to

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can happen to the best of us? Poor Caitlin, well, I don't have a lot of experience with drugs, which is just as well the pot thing. When I was like 1819 cutting the bottom off of a plastic one liter, I

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was gonna guess an apple for you, but sure. But yeah, they'd

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put hash between knives, and then you'd have this big pot bottle. And I guess the gist was the pop bottle could capture the smoke coming off of this little pile of

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hash. I feel like that was called Hot knives or something. Yes, it was hot

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knifing everyone's knives in their kitchen, but they had burnt knives in the kitchen, and you knew exactly why, what happened? What what was happening? But yeah, I just remember that pop bottle and then eating a giant bag of, like, some kind of chips that literally cut the Joker into the sides of my mouth.

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And that's amazing.

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And I just I never, ever did it again after that. It wasn't for me, but

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you ended up with other things that you liked. So Oh, I

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sure did. It's called gin,

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yeah, a big beer stein of Sambuca with ice. When you when you told, when you told Jax that when we interviewed Jack Irwin our first episode back into the new year, I just about lost it. I can't imagine how terrible

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that would taste. The Stein of sambuca.

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I was so sick for three days, but I remember this person's house that we were at. I don't, I know what their names are, but I'm not going to say it, but they were so wealthy, and they had a crushed ice machine, so it was almost like Sonic ice, like I'm so jealous, as I was little beaded ice cubes too. And anyway, I just remember having crushed ice, and I was just putting the Sambuca in, and I thought, oh, that's hardly doing anything. And I just remember filling up this, this beer stein, a Sambuca, and kind of sipping at that all night, and that licorice taste. Oh, my God, I was so sick. I don't know how I got home. I mean, I don't even know what I was thinking. I don't know what I was thinking.

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Well, you have a couple of shots of Sambuca and you're not thinking much.

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Do you not have like, a night where you drank something different than you normally did and you never touched it again? So Malibu rum is that the coconut rum,

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like even my hair is standing on end. Just think, thinking, that's what

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I mean. It just, you have this visceral memory. It's a very tactile memory.

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I don't know that it's connected to one specific night, but like, tequila is not for me. Tequila is having a real resurgence in in cocktail culture right now, and it, I can't stomach it, the smell of it, and I don't care how many people tell me, Well, have you had a really good smokey Mezcal? Yes, I have, and it still tastes like butt to me, so I don't want it. That's one and another one that I don't really think I could stand anymore would be Southern Comfort. Because I think, Oh God,

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Caitlin, I'm with you, right? Southern Comfort and coke. I

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can't even picture what like is it's a, is it a rum? I forget.

29:43  
No, it's like a, it's, it's, it is a bourbon? Oh, I love bourbon.

29:48  
Okay, well, I'm not drinking it because of the tariff. So it's

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a naturally fruit flavored whiskey, liqueur with fruit and spice accent. Oh, and it is, it is gross, and it is not for the faint of heart. And I think you were describing me, and I think it's the kind of thing that that you when you were underage, maybe would find at a parent's house and assume this was a safe thing that no parent would ever want to drink so you could, you drank too much of it when you were

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under in our high school. Jack and Coke was huge. Cheesy rye. Ginger was huge. Rye and Ginger Ale was huge. Like, it couldn't get any more Canadian it was like, Canadian rye, like a ginger ale. Oh, Crown Royal was too good to cut with ginger ale. I mean, that Canadian one, it is, it's, it's totally good, but there's anyway. There's no end to the things that you can do to yourself to actually kill yourself at the end of the day. But I'm, I'm glad to not be part of that anymore. But there's just things I I think about, still, things that I did and things that I said, and we are proud of you. Yeah? Well, I appreciate that. Thank you. I love hearing I just saw Ann griner's Instagram post, and she's six years sober today. We're taping this on a Tuesday, so congratulations to em. Oh, she's such a talent. But yeah, six years

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is this year your 10th or ninth, 10th. Big one.

31:22  
Yeah, 10th, that's big. I thought it was 10 last year, but my cousin said, No, you had a drink at your dad's funeral. He died in 2015 I'm like, Screw you, Tracy. But yeah, I did. I wasn't drinking much, but I believe I had probably a glass of wine at his funeral or something. I wasn't drinking a lot near the end

31:44  
anyway, pick ended up from last week. How are Lisa and Bev doing? Lisa is now in

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Amsterdam. She flew yesterday morning. She's She sent a picture of holding her first grandbaby the day before. She was at her daughter's baby shower in Cranbrook, and then she flew from there, which is about an hour to Calgary, got on the plane, flew to Amsterdam. She's there with her son, Justin, and his wife and their brand new baby, for five days. And then she flies to Joburg, South Africa to meet up with her other son and their new baby. So all her kids. You know, life is so funny. It's so filled with these miraculous, triumphant things, and then you're thrown this bullshit curveball. Oh, by the way, you got breast cancer, and we're just gonna deal with that. I got so many comments. Lisa sent me a nice message and said she had listened to the podcast and she

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hear your terrible accent. She thinks I do pretty

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good at it. Oh, I was gonna say I have South African friends, and I think it's pretty good. She loves it

32:45  
when I do her. I'm telling you, when you went to vegan pea and I, we're the ones that missing out with the chicken in the pot, because you used to constantly make a lovely chicken in the pot, and it was now we don't get anything.

32:59  
Maybe we can have Lisa on at some point if she's, yeah, well, she's

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a very gifted orator. She, you know, basically ran a town, but yeah, she's doing thanks for asking. She's She's doing good. And I will definitely keep everyone in the loop. When she gets back, she will have her oncology team and her homeopathic people and her Reiki and massage therapists and all the stuff lined up and a plan in the you know, her doctors will have a plan. This is what we're going to do. And I think that's when you can dig in and start doing the work. Right now, she's in, probably floating out in the happiness of her kids. And I hope she's not thinking about it, you know, night and day. Yeah, I hope so too. Moving on, once again. I love this Caitlin brought in about the working from home thing. I bring this back to Trump because apparently he's been in office, like, three and a half weeks, and he's been at Mar a Lago for half of the time he's been in office now golfing half, half of that time. So he had a big thing about, you know, working from home. And of course, we're addressing that in Canada, the whole work from home issue people going back to the office and traffic is starting to have a lot more problems. Again, they're seeing that in Calgary, so just with this push to get people back in the office. So what do you guys think about that? Sarah, you work from home. Basically, it's not like you're going into serious radio radio and parking your car and going into the building. We're all working from home right now, the three of

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us totally the one thing that really stands out since I was going into the office every day is how much time I wasted on, like, getting ready. There's so much more time to be productive, if that makes sense. Plus add Toronto traffic on top of that. You're like, call it two hours a day is spent on things that could be put towards something else, right? So that's like, the first thing, because, like, even if I'm gonna put on a face and, like, show up with a collared shirt on and shower and whatever, it's still a lot faster to show about your computer for that than to physically be somewhere else. And then. Even the eating a balanced, healthy meal type of thing much easier working from home and cost saving.

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Yeah, you know, you're not bringing your lunch in to go and have a meal. Every lunch is so expensive, and who wants to use the fucking communal microwave? Not me. I was

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really bad, like in the last I was almost like treating myself when I would take Stevie for like a walk in the afternoon, and I was feeling like a little bit like energy depleted, I would be grabbing myself these expensive matches, and I was like, Oh my God. Like, eight times $7 in two weeks. Is this is ridiculous. So I bought myself, you know, make it at home. Now there's

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a huge piece of the economy that is driven by people going into work. So sometimes, when you, as you just outlined, Sarah, like how much money you're spending, there's also a very large industry built around commercial real estate, skyscrapers, and then you look at the path all the businesses that really depend on people to go into an office to succeed. So there's like, underlying capitalistic force at play here, it's less about productivity, because, believe you, me and anyone who's ever worked in management in any capacity, could tell you this, you're not working eight hours a day at your desk. My God, most people are only creatively putting any like it's 34 hours of work per period, per person per day, however you want to slice it, that's what's happening, and in Toronto, especially when you are rotting on a highway that goes nowhere in stand still traffic, and then paying $20 for a bowl of something for lunch

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and $20 for parking, and if you're lucky, $20 for parking,

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it costs you $100 to leave your house in Toronto like that's just a fact. It you just go out and, you know, don't put your wallet back in your pocket the second you leave your house, because someone's got their hand in it the whole time. So it the whole time. So people want your money, and they want you to spend it out of your house, and they've realized that it has an impact on the economy. So the government and corporations have been very interested in getting people back to work. However smart corporations, modern corporations, people who are forward thinking are very gonna, very quickly, gonna realize that you can offer a hybrid work week of three to four days in the office, and you are gonna attract better talent because of that flexibility, because it it contributes to their quality of life, more they will accept a lower rate of pay to be at a company that offers a hybrid work week so You could save money on your salary and attract better candidates for your job. Makes sense. It does make sense. And they I was, there was a study done in the UK where there was over 200 companies that agreed to take part in a four day work week, and this was across a variety of different fields. I think that it started predominantly with advertising and marketing, and then another, a bunch of other companies came on board. They said that they've seen a productivity increase, employee happiness has increased. Doesn't surprise me, yep, so they're talking about making it and but I'm talking about a four day work week, like you now have a three day weekend. They are saying, like, this is, this is actually fine for us. We're still making money. Everyone's happier. Productivity is up. And so I think if you keep yourself curious about what actually is reflective of people's output and what is scientifically supported, less about well, we've just done it this way forever, so we're going to keep doing it this way. That's the wrong way to look at things, and it's going to actually cost companies the best talent you and if they look across the street and go, oh wait, you have a better employee retention rate, better candidates that want to be there, and you actually are paying them a little bit less than we are, but offering hybrid or four day work weeks,

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like Sarah said, getting cars off The Road, which is good for everybody. It's good everybody wins. Another part of this thing that you sent us, Caitlin University of Illinois, 40% of workers said they would take a 5% pay cut if they could keep working remotely, and 10% said they would be willing to lose 20% of their salary if they could work from home. How do you feel about that? Like would you be willing to go take the 20% it's worth it to me to stay at home. And like you said, it would probably all come out in the wash Anyways, if it was no parking, gasoline, all that stuff would vector into that. You have

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to crunch the numbers. And I bet you, if people, especially in a very expensive, very gridlocked city like Toronto, crunch the numbers, I bet they would figure out that it's going to be a huge cost savings measure, and when it's not, when you're a mom, you might choose to pick your kid up when they're sick, to do 20% Yeah, 100% they would like, you would just read the key is choice. You have to give people more of a choice, and you have to give them more autonomy in their life. To say, Hey, you're respecting that. I am not just a robot sent here to work and to, you know, fulfill your capitalistic goals. So if you treat people like human beings, they're going to be happier, they're going to do a better job, and they're probably going to stick around longer. And instead of having this revolving door that so many companies struggle with, where they're just seeing people come and go, that's expensive for you as a business owner. Operator, so I do think staying flexible would be beneficial.

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Let me throw this at you. Caitlin, what about if you're somebody who doesn't flourish alone, if you're somebody who lives alone already, and the only time that they have any kind of social interaction is in a work setting. Yeah. Well,

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then I do think again, it's about flexibility and choice. Pop on into the office. I mean, I think most companies would say, we're always going to have, like, we're going to have desks for you. Lots of them have those floating satellite desks where anyone can come in with their laptop and pop in. And lots of teams will operate that way, where they'll say, Hey, this is the day we're all going to make sure we're in, or the two days or three days, well, make sure we're going to come in. And I have a lot of friends who work independently, and they go to co working spaces. That's what I was going to say, yeah. And I have friends who are a lot of friends who, you know, they work in interior design, and they might share an office space with a bunch of other freelance interior designers for that exact reason you just outlined. So there would be kind of a workaround. It's just about, there's no one size fits all for people in life. Yeah,

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I like the idea of being able to choose. I feel like I have the best of both worlds, because I love being here and I love doing the work that is a very solitary thing, whether it's writing, doing this, it's nice and quiet. I can do this stuff, but you know, when I get on the road, I do love being around the guys, and I think what keeps me going is knowing that I can come back to this and have that quiet time. So I think you're right about let people have the choice if they want to go on on a Monday, Wednesday, being home with a sick child and be able to get your work done is saving everybody child care a lot of worry. Yeah, you got to come and pick up Claude because he's projectile vomiting and he can't stay here.

41:54  
Is is old school man. And I think it's about respecting your your employees, and about giving them the choice and the autonomy, and knowing though, full Well, look, there's going to be a couple bad actors who take advantage of this. And if someone's performance is suffering and you have a feeling they're slacking, they're not working from home, well, just can them many ways, like, forget it. You know, don't, don't punish the people who are actually making this work. And that's what ends up happening. It's like one or two bad figures bracket for everybody else, and they are the ones who set the bar, and that's not fair either, like they're and I'll tell you, from having worked with a bunch of people like this over my life in every industry, they don't work better at the office. Anyways, they're not doing more. It's not an environmental problem for them. They're just kind of messy people. So that's just kind of like the way it is. If you feel

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recluse, like, this is sort of where I was going the beginning of working from home and working for myself. I was like, Oh, this is fucking amazing. But then you have this period of like, okay, I haven't socialized in two weeks. And so it's one thing to make your social plans, but it's another thing, like, I try actually to have like, one meeting at least a week outside of the house. And sometimes I'm driving a little bit, like, maybe it's a half hour drive to go meet someone in town. Maybe sometimes I'm meeting at a coffee shop near me, so that it's I can get home quick. And also, in the type of work that all three of us have done, we're lucky that, like, things kind of look different month to month. You could have an event, sometimes you could have stuff at home. So mixing it up has been like the real secret sauce for me,

43:20  
during the pandemic, our morning show on chum transitioned to fully remote, and many other shows pulled their staff back into the office quicker than ours, but that was just a product of the fact that our tech setup was really good, and for whatever reason, it really worked for us. We weren't suffering from outages, and the chemistry of the show was really positive, and so we were home for a for, like, a multi person radio show, a lot longer than other shows. But man, when we all got back into the studio, we loved it. We loved it. I would think we appreciated the ability to when it felt unsafe to go around, to be at home, but when you we got back into that studio, I thought, for this particular job, I like being here five days a week. I like talking to someone from across the table. I like the camaraderie. I like being in that building and the energy that it provides you. I That felt really good to me. So it's nice for everyone else to have the flexibility. But I remember going back in and being like, Yes, this is good. It's

44:17  
a good challenge to oneself, though, as well to, like, ask yourself what you need? Because really, like, yes, you can say that your boss is going to, you know, reprimand you if you don't do your work. But like, how does it impact you when you don't do your work right? Like, what is not getting done? I clearly have things that I'm like, oh shit. I'm the only person who can do that, and if I don't do it, everything suffers. So, you know, finding that line with yourself, to hold yourself accountable. I never

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want to let myself down. Yeah, you should, like, I just, I don't want to let myself down. I I'm not a huge goal person, and I'm not going to go that far as, like, I don't have my calendar, okay, like, in five years, I have this plan. I'm not a huge planner, but day to day, like, when I sit down and write, let's get between 700 In 1000 words written and make a point. Do it all I do. I shut the phone off, and I sit down and I get it done, and I make sure that I work out here every day. Yeah, and, you know, I'll probably go in at some point and take the dogs and we'll go and get a get something. Well, we'll go get a coffee or something, just to go, go at get out of the house and go somewhere. Yeah. Anyway, before we say goodbye to everyone, because this went really fast, I do want to go to today's question. Caitlin, so

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this was a thing that was going around on Reddit that I loved, and it was a user there who asked, What is a green flag in a person that makes you instantly like green flag, not a red flag, not a red flag, something that makes you instantly like them and so kind of to get everyone's mental juices flowing. There were some top responses on Reddit from other users, and someone said, when they come back to your story, if you've been interrupted, kindness towards children and animals when they can listen to a problem I'm talking about without trying to solve it when they own a mistake, if a person is willing to be silly, I think that's a great sign. So kind of do you guys have any idea of what your green flags would be? It doesn't necessarily just have to be a romantic partner, could be a friend,

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could be anyone. I just love friendliness. I love an actual, earnest, friendly person who's got a smile on their face and that generally seems happy to see you, and, you know, puts their hand out to greet you. It's a feeling that I get from somebody I meet so many hundreds and hundreds of people, as you guys do, and it's very seldom that I hit on something where I'm like, my whole body wants to soak them up. So it's a spiritual thing. It's something that I can't describe. As far as physicality, maybe it's a vibration that a person matches up with me. And when it happens, I know it instinctively. I recognize it. And I've often said that groups of souls travel together. So is it one of your souls that travels together that you recognize and you recognize each other? I love reciprocity. I love when your enthusiasm is met with equal enthusiasm. I love it when you don't have to work so hard to get someone to like you or to impress them. I love it when it's a it's equal measure, and that's what absorbing a person into your life should be. It should never be. It should never feel like work. So as far as green flags go, it is an organic, really amazing thing. I don't believe in working on friendships. I don't get that. Maybe it's just the semantics of that sentence. Working on a friendship, I think when both people are sitting at the table, it doesn't require work. It requires respect, admiration, patience and earnestness, that's what I believe.

48:03  
And Sarah,

48:04  
so my answer might be a little bit different, although the same for relationship versus just like plutonic, but definitely value like accountability, whether it's like, Hey, I'm going to take care of that and you take care of that, or or, Hey, that didn't go as planned, and that's my fault, right both sides of the coin, I think. And that would be for relationship or plutonic honesty too. Like, taking the time to let someone know, hey, what you said yesterday. Like, you know that really made me think, like, thanks for sharing that. Or it could be something like, I feel like I need to mention to you that that made me feel like shit, like, whichever way it goes. Yeah, so maybe that's a piece of like, I don't know the word feedback is kind of floating around in my brain a little bit right now. And I love spontaneity. Try anything once, see if it works. Throw spaghetti at the wall. Like, I love all

48:53  
those things, such good points and such different perspectives, right? Of what we need from a friend. You

48:59  
Caitlin, I

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really it's just always, it's so much more clear to me with age, but it's humor. It's the king daddy topper for me on romantic relationships and friendships, the closest people in my life I have cry laughed with like they are the people where I'm like, don't sit next to me at an at something important or serious, because we will be no good if we look at each other from across the table, we start to laugh. There's just 50,000 inside jokes. You're just always laughing with these people, and even if it doesn't have to mean necessarily that that person is coming out with punch lines all the time, or that they're jokey all the time, but it's almost just a complimentary sense of humor and a commitment to kind of looking at things from a perspective of, how can we laugh like when someone's that's how I show affection. If I'm trying to make you laugh, I like you. And that can, that can show up many ways. Lots of people might think I don't like them because they think I'm making fun of them. That's how I show affection. So I do think that when someone is bantering with me, banter important. Says, Hi, I need banter, and I just need laughs. Like, that's, that's my favorite thing in the world. It's just sitting around laughing. Yeah,

50:06  
there's nothing that says intelligence, like wit, you don't have to be an academic. You don't have to be this PhD in anything. But there's something about a sense of humor that requires a certain kind of deep thoughtfulness to be funny. And I don't know I love it. I love humor too. Well, listen, that was, that was our show for today, and it is we there was lots of things I wanted to talk about. There was things that we didn't get to, but that's okay, we can. I definitely wanted to talk about millennials being conservative, being moderate, and I think we're going to talk about that in our Patreon extra content today, definitely, because I'm very interested in that. I know some millennials, and they're kind of blowing my mind right now. I was concerned Caitlin and I I was concerned about y'all, but I think we're headed in a good direction. The book is going great. We're getting lots of comments about people who have read in memoriam by Alice Winn. It is our Jan book bag, our podcast book bag. This month's reading. And I know a lot of you so far have said it's, it's kind of tough. You know, I'm halfway through. I'm telling you now, if you're reading along with us in memoriam with Alice Wentz. Stick with it. It really turns a corner. And I think the author has been very purposeful about creating this atmosphere of tension. And you know, it's all part of these relationships, and I don't want to give I don't want to give the whole thing away, but it turns a corner. So hang in there if you're reading along with us, it's not too late to get it on Audible or rent it from your library. It's certainly not too late, and you certainly don't have to be finished the book to be part of these discussions. And we're going to be definitely posting some more stuff about the book this week. I've just put a comment in there myself to cheer you on, because I know some of you are at that halfway mark, but yes, we got that going on Patreon. As always, we appreciate you guys helping us continue to make this podcast week after week. We appreciate you so much. As always, we have some voice notes that we would like to play for you. So here they are. Jan,

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ladies, life has been a bit stressful lately with work and my home life. My son is 17, and we recently found a lump in his breast, so we're doing an ultrasound and biopsy, but we've been sitting in the car listening to mix tape, and he loves one of us by Joan Osborne, but in your voice, so the other night, Thursday, pre sale mix tape. Kelly takes an edible Kelly is on the couch buying front row tickets for Toronto. So I will be seeing you Toronto, Massey Hall, June, the Monday, all the way from Sioux, Saint Marie, Ontario. I will be in the front row, but do not tell my husband how much I paid. I will be in trouble. I have nothing to do with that.

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Our little secret. Kelly, thank you so much. Listen. I'm thinking about did you say your son? I'm sorry to hear that, but you know what 17 years old thing called Science, early detection. And we will be thinking about you, and I will look forward to seeing you in that front row in June, and I hope the next few months unfold for you in a very positive way. This

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is Jolie from Ottawa, long time listener to the podcast and to your music in general. Jen, I'm just sitting in my office right now watching the snow fall in Ottawa. It's my birthday and I'm listening to your new album. It's fabulous. Thank you so much for it, and thank you to all of you for doing the podcast. It's so needed in this time that we're living in.

53:53  
Thank you. I agree. Thank you so much. Really appreciate that. Okay, last one,

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Hi Jan, Sarah and Caitlin. It's Suzanne calling from Sudbury, Ontario. Thank you three for thoughtful your thoughtful insights and your sense of fun. Every week, it's a great podcast, and I really enjoyed this week hearing about sibling rivalry and middle children. I could really relate to a lot of it. I'm a middle child, I wouldn't trade it for anything. Is there a middle

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child syndrome? Like? I don't know. Every time I talk to anybody about this, because I've had so many comments about this middle child stuff, I have laughed out loud of people going, Yeah, I listened to that didn't relate to me at all. Oh, my God. Like middle child, I didn't I got it the worst, and I'm just like,

54:39  
they're unloading their family trauma? Yeah, I just

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have people coming up to me in the grocery store. It's just like the middle child stuff.

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I couldn't relate. So we're gonna see ya on over on Patreon, guys, I had a date.

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Oh my god. Sarah, can

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tell us about her date. I know what he looks like, he, he. How do you know we'll get to that on Patreon. And if you aren't already following. Following us over on Patreon and listening to us and you're not a member of our only Jans, then what the heck's wrong with you? Thank

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you.