The Nail Salon Zoom Call

Unknown Speaker  0:00  
Music.

Jann Arden  0:10  
Hello and welcome to the Jann Arden podcast. Sarah is not here today. Caitlin is here. And you know, for once, we're glad that Sarah didn't show up. Quite frankly, I know it gives us a chance to really catch up.

Caitlin Green  0:22  
We can finally talk about her.

Jann Arden  0:24  
We can talk shit about her. Sarah is in Washington doing a podcast, kind of a comic con, yeah, it's

Caitlin Green  0:34  
like a convention of sorts.

Jann Arden  0:36  
God, can you imagine the hookups at a podcast convention? Okay,

Caitlin Green  0:40  
conventions are inherently horny. Do you not think, yeah, they are, yeah,

Jann Arden  0:45  
I've, I've heard some just zany, bananas things going on at conventions in general, but I would think a podcasting convention. So you have all these artistic people that a lot of them have during covid started podcasts because they were at home. So I think there was something like 80,000 new podcasts that started between 2020 and 2023

Caitlin Green  1:09  
Wow. Is that possible? I mean, it is possible, like, in

Jann Arden  1:12  
one way or another. They may not all be like Top 10 podcasts, but there's 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of them out there.

Caitlin Green  1:19  
Yeah. I mean, we're, we're floating around a sea of podcasts, and we predated the pandemic, so I want to differentiate us from the rest, yeah, but I don't know how many of them lasted. Like you said, what the sustainability of all those podcasts would be, but Sarah is swimming amongst her potentially aroused peers at this podcasting convention,

Jann Arden  1:42  
and she's single, so Lord only knows the kind of info we're gonna get when she comes back. I want

Caitlin Green  1:49  
all the hot details. I feel like people are waking up hungover in their Marriott bonvoy Hotel The morning after, and they're finding like someone else's glasses on their bed, and then their bare glasses are on the other side. I don't know why I equate podcasts with glasses, but I do okay, Sharon's like, moving on. No, no,

Jann Arden  2:10  
I, I, I just know a couple of, like, horrifying stories of conventiony things. So can you tell them? I'm not going to say any names, but this is years and years and years ago. It was a music convention, oh yeah, and so it was one of the record company conventions, and the hotel had a huge, cavernous lobby that you could look up 1520, stories. So like the inside was hollow, and the convention was happening down kind of in this lobby area. But if you didn't have your curtains shut, because all the rooms were on the inside, and there was course of railings because people had to get out of the elevator and walk to the rooms, but you could literally see people getting out on the eighth floor, walking to the room. And if their curtains were open, you could see what was going on. So there was an incident in particular that's famous in the music industry of a fellow having some self pleasuring moments, unbeknownst, he was alone.

Caitlin Green  3:16  
What's worse is it? I think alone is worse. I've just decided right here and now. I don't know. Why do you

Jann Arden  3:22  
I feel like alone isn't as bad as being bent over the railing or, I don't know, alone doesn't seem so bad. Alone could be just like a fleeting moment. Oh, I feel a little this. I'm gonna release a little tear. I don't know. I

Caitlin Green  3:39  
think alone for him in this situation is more embarrassing than if somebody saw him, you know, bent over some anonymous person's butt or something like that. I just feel as though that

Jann Arden  3:52  
it's so terrible. It

Caitlin Green  3:53  
is just so terrible. It's awful. I feel, I feel terrible for but he

Jann Arden  3:56  
did realize that people were, you know, looking at some point, I think someone was trying to, like, get his phone, like, get him to answer his phone

Caitlin Green  4:05  
desperately. Like, dude, the front desk was calling him to be like, don't

Jann Arden  4:09  
know, maybe one of his friends, and that was down convent. I hope he, anyway, kept

Caitlin Green  4:13  
his shirt on. I hope he didn't, like, gear fully down, because, like, it could get weird. You don't know. He probably thought he thought he was alone. Who knows what his order of operation is, but that poor man rip to his reputation. Do you remember at the Skydome, back when it was the Skydome, not the Rogers Center, how they had the hotel rooms that you could rent and then you could watch the game from the hotel rooms? Yes, I do remember that. I forgot the name of the hotel. That

Jann Arden  4:39  
was a big deal. So you woke up, and then you just opened your drapes and you could watch the ball game.

Caitlin Green  4:44  
It was so 90s. It was so 1990s and people would go and they'd rent these hotel rooms, they'd have a party up there, and they'd be drinking, and they'd pan over. And I don't know who back then, I guess it was a more wholesome time, but thought this was a good idea, because eventually. Actually some lewd things were captured happening, oh, during a baseball game in those hotel rooms. I mean, it's a hotel room, and

Jann Arden  5:05  
some people like the attention. Oh, you have to understand that on the other side of this very shiny coin, there are some people that are exhibitionists. They're very voyeuristic, and they would invite an audience of people to see them doing sultry things.

Caitlin Green  5:26  
Yeah, lots of them. Lots of them out there. Have you ever seen a flasher? Have you ever been flashed as a

Jann Arden  5:31  
young person? Yes, I remember being at my grandmother's in Lethbridge, and there was a very kind of a boy that wasn't all that well, that lived down the street, and his wiener was out constantly, like his poor mother was always running down the street trying to collect this young man.

Caitlin Green  5:45  
Oh, the poor mom. But I

Jann Arden  5:47  
would literally like look at it going, that is the weirdest little wormy worries. Little thing, a little wormy. Do you think he was? I think he was 10, nine or 10. Okay, okay. It wasn't a 16 year old with a woody, yeah, peering around a tree. This was just a young fellow that just had his willy out,

Caitlin Green  6:08  
okay, well, hopefully he grew out of it or grew into it. Oh, well, you never know consenting adults. I was once inadvertent. Well, no, I shouldn't say inadvertently. It was like a

Jann Arden  6:19  
this. This is podcast. Is off and running. Man, it really is. You

Caitlin Green  6:23  
just, we want to get right into it. But I was commuting to and from Oakville for school, and so I was taking the GO train, and I would it's mostly commuters, right? I mean, that's, that's not a lot of students on there. It's mostly people going to work, professionals. So I'm standing on the Oakville go train platform for the Lakeshore line, and I'm heading back east into Toronto. The train that's coming from Union out west makes its way into the station. It pulls right in in front of me, and everyone on the platform is treated to a man on a completely packed commuter train during rush hour. He's in a trench coat and a suit trench coat, like a professional trench coat. Not a pervert. Oh, okay, but me was in Indiana perverts trench coat because he turned out to be a sex pest. But he was wearing a suit and had a, you know, a briefcase with him. I clocked a wedding ring, which was the most disturbing part of all this, and he was pressed up against the the train doors, so that you could see the full like length of his outfit and body and but the train doors weren't opening on this side. They opened on the other side, and he had his full package out, pressed up against the glass, so that when you pull into the station, he's flashing everyone. And I'm not kidding you, it was probably, you know, 5:30pm from down the platform, because I'm at one end of the platform, so I see the I see the nether regions coming in. First, I kind of laughed, because I was like, This is ridiculous. Then a woman let out a blood curdling scream, as if she saw a dead body at the other end of the platform as he made his way out. And actually called GO Transit, and I can, I like, told them about it, and they reported it to police and actually followed up with me, which I thought was kind of good, but that was the only time that's enough.

Jann Arden  8:15  
One time is enough. Once too many. I've seen a few fellas hanging brain that they didn't they weren't aware of, like in shorts, I have to accredit, yeah, like, just like when a fellow sits on the floor in shorts that have the little mesh on the inside to hold your knackers in there, to hold everything together, because they're not wearing underpants, they're just going with the underpants supplied by the sporting goods company, which is Basically a mesh. It's the stuff that oranges come in. It's not enough. It's not enough. So no, so when they sit on the floor with, like, knees up and there's a big gap in their legs are up, right? So you see laying on the frog, the indoor, outdoor carpeting, just a nut, a soft nut in, like a net, a net, netted bag just on the floor. There's nothing weirder than seeing a ball that's flat on one side, and then it looks so flaccid, because it is, but it's just a ball just sitting there, and it's all you can do to not look at it. Oh,

Caitlin Green  9:17  
it's very funny. It is super funny. It's just really funny in like, a pathetic kind of way. It's really funny. But this

Jann Arden  9:25  
guy that I used to work with, finally, I said to Ed, you gotta, you gotta say something to him. He was he What was his name, and his name's not important. He worked in the studio in Los Angeles. This is in the 90s. He wore shorts every day. Didn't matter what the weather was like, and flip flops that should have been burnt. They should have been melted down and made into rubber bullets. But I just, I finally said to Ed Sheeran, my producer, I said, you got to say something. Let's call him Mitch for today. You got to say something to Mitch, because I said, he's always like sitting cross legged in the lunchroom. And I go in there to, like, get a coffee, and he's, there was no cell phones. Even then, imagine this like it would have been 9394 I don't know. Anyway, he did have words with him. He did, and it stopped. Well, no, he started sitting on a chair at the little lunch table instead of on the floor.

Caitlin Green  10:16  
I mean, that is an improvement. But did

Jann Arden  10:19  
it come from me like I was mortified like the next day when I see him, Mitch is sitting at a chair and not cross legged on the floor with his nuts sitting on the

Caitlin Green  10:28  
isn't it shocking to think sometimes, like when I have said something or spoken up about something, whether it's like in a work setting or just amongst friends, I'm always like, how am I the first one saying this out loud when everyone else knows that it's a thing like, for sure, everyone else could give a police description of Mitch is not like, guaranteed. Everyone had seen it for years. They were being terrorized by it. I

Jann Arden  10:49  
don't think men respond. I think they're very used to seeing it like, that's their fellow guy. What would be the equivalent for women, I don't know, like, like

Caitlin Green  10:58  
a, like a lip down there, just being like, Hello, yeah, boob, not it's not really a boob.

Jann Arden  11:04  
I don't know. There's just something very specific about those netted shorts. Anyway, if you're joining us now, we do have lots of things to talk about today, more important stuff. Caitlin Green and I are here. Sarah is at the Washington podcasting convention. She is a single lady. She's going to come back with some stories. So I wanted you to explain one of the stories that you sent to me. And yeah, pick one of them. You pick because I'm going to comment. I want you to pick one of the amazing topics that you had lined up for us today. And the first one is okay.

Caitlin Green  11:39  
The first one was the Indian airline called Indigo. This was interesting. Yeah, it's sort of it's a budget airline that will now allow women to avoid booking a seat next to men on flights. This is the first of its kind ever introduced by an airline. And so what they're going to do is show women a pink seat at the seat selection page, if there's a female sat there, and it will be accompanied by a female passenger. If you select to sit next to it, male passengers will not see this information. So women can choose to sit next to women, and men have no clue what's happening. So I really, really like this. I feel like everyone talks about having childless flights. I think we should have women only flights. Well, they've

Jann Arden  12:23  
got isn't Lyft all female drivers.

Caitlin Green  12:25  
They do have, they have that option. They have the option of getting a female driver.

Jann Arden  12:29  
So we're seeing that happening more and more. Well, India, as you know, is in a big upheaval right now, because they have a lot of issues with sexual assaults and murdering of women. It is a plague on their society, and people are finally starting to push back women in particular, and a lot of men. It's

Caitlin Green  12:45  
a huge problem. But a doctor, the story Jan, the story is haunting me right now. This story is a female doctor, and her name is currently escaping me, but honestly, I would say this is just a massive trigger warning. It's a horrible story. Don't go looking for it, if you're not ready to be genuinely terrorized by this because she was sexually assaulted and brutally murdered while she was on a shift

Jann Arden  13:09  
by a police I know a volunteer police like, what are they calling him? They're calling him a volunteer. I would liken it to a security guard type of person. Yes, he was a person in a place of power, and he had access, obviously, to this hospital. Was she murdered at work? I believe

Caitlin Green  13:27  
so. And I also was under the impression at one point that there might have been more than one person involved in the assault. And we have the many, many, countless infamous, we're talking the most horrifying end to women's lives imaginable, and women who, then some, have survived these attacks. And a lot of times, there's more than one assailant, and sometimes in front of their spouses. There was a case of a couple that they're travel bloggers, and she was assaulted by a group of men while her partner was like, nearby, and it's terrifying stuff. I mean, they really do not have a handle on this. And then the most horrifying other part of the story was that her name started popping up on adult websites because men were looking for video footage of the assault. They wanted to see it. And so that is the type of rape culture that exists right now within certain parts of India. And I mean, it's, it's very, very unsafe. It's an incredibly unsafe environment for women. When you have your, you know, safety taken away like that. It's, it's really scary stuff. So again, if you heard the thing about the airlines and you thought, Oh, this is kind of mean. And like, why are they doing this? And this is why, yeah, they have,

Jann Arden  14:48  
they have a real issue with the rape and assault culture over there. And it's, it's much deeper than we can understand in our. Society, you know, just the way women are are treated. There's a lot of arranged marriages that you know women are from the time they're five years old. This is, this guy is going to be your husband, like it's, it's still very that stuff is alive and well, that whole caste system. And you're, you know, where you are in society. Anyway, we're very fortunate here, once again, folks, we live, really, in one of the best countries in the world, and certainly is a female. And I've said this to you before. Caitlin, Mom and I used to have even when she wasn't quite as sick as she was, she'd say, can you believe you and I have our own houses? You know, women living on their own, like my 80 year old mother and me, like living in a house across from a field from each other. It's pretty special when I think about how far we've come anyway. Moving on, we won't dwell there, but I will

Caitlin Green  15:47  
say that it is actually a genuinely like, very good initiative that they're doing on this fantastic I think that it may start spreading to other airlines as well as you see interest in this really peak. Because, of course, like you know, sexual assault and safety is not an issue exclusive to India. I think that they statistically experience a much higher and more severe rate of this type of violence. However, it exists here and when you see the story, there were so many comments underneath it of women from all over the world talking about creepy incidents that they had when they were on a flight. So I think this could i i could see pink seats popping up on many other airlines, but Indigo was the first one to do it, and good for them. Yeah,

Jann Arden  16:25  
I'm all down with that. Speaking of airlines and seats, this is a whole different side of this story. So this Asian woman was sitting on a window seat in a row of three. I don't know what the airline is called it's not even important for the story. Sitting beside her was an elderly woman, also Asian. Anyway, of course, this gum chewing middle aged woman comes popping up beside them. She's sitting in the aisle. They are in like the sixth row, so they're very close to the nose of the airplane. They're already sitting down. These two women. They're not traveling together. The middle aged woman comes in and she goes, Oh, hi. She says to the the elderly woman, do you mind trading with my friend? She's in Row 26 because we're traveling together. And so the woman in the window seat is like catching on, like overhearing this conversation. This elderly woman is about to get up. She's understanding this English like, oh, like she's supposed to move. Yeah. And the Asia woman goes, Excuse me, we're traveling together, so I don't know what you're talking about. She goes, Yeah, sure you are. Listen, she's already said she'd move. My friends traveling together, it's no big deal. So she starts just speaking Cantonese to this woman, and she calls her Connie. So this, the whole thing is blown up on the internet. She's like, Connie. She's speaking Cantonese. This woman doesn't speak Cantonese. She speaks something else completely. But she catches on. The 80 year old woman catches on, and she's just talking to her, and they're having this conversation that this woman doesn't know. Yeah, she's got no clue. So she finally, kind of caves in and she goes, Oh, okay, well, if you wanted to travel with your friend, you and your friend should have booked seats together, but we're traveling together, and she's not. Why the hell would she move so this woman backs off anyway. She put the whole thing on Tiktok, and it's just blown up of people responding with comments. She was going from Seattle to Hawaii and she was in premium economy. So not only was this gum chewing idiot, middle aged woman asking this elderly woman to go to seat fucking 26 they were in premium economy. Thank you very much.

Caitlin Green  18:39  
I mean number one, like, first of all, absolutely not. I mean, never. But also, don't ask an elderly person who's already gone through the trouble of getting to the gate, putting their stuff above them, sitting down. Don't make them get up and move to like, it's the same thing as people who try to rearrange you at a movie theater, short of someone who can reasonably explain that through a fault of the airline, which does happen that they were separated from their child, or, you know, like a parent who needed assistance in some way. Or, you know, unless you're a caregiver in some sense, I do think it's a lot to ask someone to get up and move like it's a pain. It's a pain in the I

Jann Arden  19:19  
don't mind doing it. I've done it many times, but I've done it in, like, really, a fair trade. I'm by myself. Yes, I don't mind sitting in a window or an aisle. Sometimes people just say, do you mind if I have the window? I'm like, No, cool, all good and so, but sometimes I haven't moved. I've just been like, No, I want the window seat and I'm comfortable. I'm not moving.

Caitlin Green  19:41  
And airlines have started doing the thing where they like they charge you for absolutely everything. And so some people obviously don't want to pay for the pre seat selection, so they dice roll.

Jann Arden  19:51  
It's worth paying the money, guys, if you if you don't want to be stressed out, I think some airlines it's between 25 and $45 to pick your seat online. Hmm, yep. Do it. Do it. I agree. Best money you're going to spend, and it's just like Porter, me and Lisa and Bev. We chose our seats so and we paid for them, and it was, it was worth it, because we saw people trying to do trades all up and down the aisle.

Caitlin Green  20:17  
It's deeply annoying that we now have to pay to do this, but it is what it is. And don't ask an eight year old person to move to the back of the bus for you. Like rude. I like this story, and I like Christina Yang.

Jann Arden  20:26  
Yeah. Thank you, Christine. It's great. So if you're looking on tick tock, just look Christina Yang up. She's she's on there.

In other news, Donald Trump is using Taylor Swift, AI, shit or whatever, videos, music. I haven't seen this story yet. Here's the headline, Trump posts fake AI images of Taylor Swift and Swifties falsely suggesting that he has the singer's support. Oh, God, so this was on CNN, Taylor Swift has yet to endorse anybody.

Caitlin Green  21:00  
FYI, spoiler alert, it won't be him,

Jann Arden  21:02  
but the former president says he accepts the superstar's non existent endorsement. Trump posted, I accept, and then he reposted this something on his truth social with Swift images, one of the AI manipulated photos depicts swift as Uncle Sam with the text, Taylor wants you to vote for Donald Trump. So someone has made a poster of her. I haven't heard her response yet, like haven't heard her say anything. The other Photos depict fans of Swift wearing Swifties for Trump T shirts that are all manipulated by AI stuff. He's got to know there's going to be pushback from her and her camp.

Caitlin Green  21:43  
I think the thing is that, you know, he would assume that a bunch of his followers, even if this is then denounced, and she says, It's not me, they'll never see that. And, you know, they'll run with it. And the amount of misinformation that I see people believe on the internet is not low. So he must figure, oh, well, even if she shuts this down, a bunch of people will still see it. And he could just say, Oh, I was joking or whatever. But, like, it's just very, it's very weird. Like, why would you even bother with this?

Jann Arden  22:15  
He's just so the guy just drives me the goddamn I just don't even know what to say. The other AI story that I was running by you this morning was a mayoralty race going on in the United States, in a little community, one of the six candidates on the ballot in Cheyenne Wyoming, one of the six candidates on the ballot has pledged to let an AI chat bot run seek government, which is a first for us. Political campaign the candidate librarian Victor Miller built a customized chat GPT bot called Vic, virtual integrated citizen, which he argues could make more data driven, unbiased decisions than any human leader of Cheyenne. So this thing might get votes. Vic might get votes, and it could win. So what does that mean? You're going to plug in AI? Hey, we're wondering, if we need a new fucking municipality building, should we build a new wing on the hospital? Let's ask Vic, the AI guy.

Caitlin Green  23:19  
It's really interesting to see it move in this direction. I was wondering when this might happen the elections tonight, when someone would suggest that having ai do a job would be safer than having a human being do it, because they would be unbiased and because they would, again, like you said, make data driven decisions and then see how this goes. I just look at is your average mayoral candidate in Cheyenne more qualified than AI? I have no idea. I don't know what, if you think about them in the context of at least for Toronto, our previous mayors, like, would I have taken an AI chat bot over Rob Ford probably. So it's really a question of who they're up against, but I do think it's a scary slippery slope of signing your own death warrants over to AI. And you'd hate to think that if you had all these errors come up, or if something went sideways, that you're like, Oh, well, it was just this AI chatbot that did it, and you're like, Well,

Unknown Speaker  24:24  
this is stupid. Now, why

Caitlin Green  24:25  
have we done the stars? There's

Jann Arden  24:26  
got to be legal ramifications too.

Caitlin Green  24:28  
Legal.

Jann Arden  24:30  
Should we fire half the police force? Let's ask Vic anyway. Very interesting. I'll try and remember next week to check in on the results of who the hell won for mayor in Cheyenne? There was something that we didn't talk about with you last week. It's a continuum of your trip to Pei that you wanted to talk to us about a play that you guys saw

Caitlin Green  24:53  
there. Yeah, so we went and we saw this interesting musical, and it's the call. The 27 club. And it's, of course, about the prevalence of young, incredible musicians dying at the age of 27 Yes, and it's this well written sort of through line where the they describe the songs like their life, their contribution to music. It almost is like a combination of a musical and like a an informative music podcast, almost because it's like narrated, and then they go into this group of musicians, like local musicians, performing fantastically, performing one of the songs by an artist who they were just discussing. So whether that's Amy Winehouse or Kurt Cobain or Jim Morrison or Jimi Hendrix. I mean, the list goes on and on, and it's called Harmony house, and it's owned and operated by a guy named Mike Ross and he leads the show, but he has these amazing other musical contributors who are there. I mean, there was a guy named Max who was on the piano. I've never seen anything like this from a performer on a piano. He is performing, you know, I don't know if you Google the heliotrope bouquet, it's a very famous piece of, like, piano music. You'll hear it and go, Oh my gosh. Like, it's almost like Ragtime, yeah, really upbeat, very challenging. He is doing this with his he is backwards, playing over his shoulders. I mean, he it was unbelievable. And the female singers, and again, these are local Island musicians. There was a singer named Brielle, oh my gosh, she just blew me away. And anyways, they do these amazing shows, and it all started with a show called American Pie. And they break through the song, American Pie, and they go through the music, and it was this huge hit in PEI and it's in this really small town called Hunter River. And he bought this it's almost like a it's like a real theater, but it's like part of a what was a church, and he's turned it into this amazing performing arts space, and it's sold out every night, and there's a pub underneath it. And when you go up to get your tickets at the box office, there was a woman outside on a veranda playing the harp like PEI is punching above its weight class for their art scene. I'll say that they've, they've, they've always this in Charlottetown. No, it's in Hunter River. It's in this little, tiny town called Hunter River. It's not even in the Confederation. The Confederation center. Like, it's really impressive what he's doing. How much was the ticket? The tickets were about, I think they were, like, $70 each. I want to say cheap, but like, man, the quality of this show. And I'm cynical about performances. And I thought, Okay, well, it's just gonna be this cute little down home thing. I was like, no Mirvish productions could put this on and it would sell out. This could be the next Come From Away, like this guy is nailing it and and so, yeah, he's his name's Mike Ross. He owns it. He stars in it. It's him and his wife, Nicole, who put this together. And the upcoming thing they have is going to be called Ladies of the Canyon. And it's all about the female singers of Laurel Canyon, Joni Mitchell and Mama Cass and just these, you know, amazing singer songs.

Jann Arden  28:06  
Oh, it was. It was a scene that I don't know if it will ever, ever be mirrored or replicated again on any level in California. It was everyone lived in this little canyon. You can still drive through Laurel Canyon in Los Angeles. I was just there a few weeks ago when we did our Disneyland trip. We drove, we drove over there to, I don't know, go get a coffee or something, but I wanted you to to speak to who some of these musicians were in the 27 club, because I wanted people to know how big these people were like in recent years. In the 90s, Kurt Cobain was 27 years old, and he so he joined the 27 club. But further that, it was Janice Joplin.

Caitlin Green  28:52  
Janice Joplin Jimi Hendrix, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison of the doors.

Jann Arden  28:56  
Jim like huge acts all 27 years old.

Caitlin Green  28:59  
Amy Winehouse, I'm forgetting some amazing ones that he featured that were of another generation, where you were like, Oh, that person died at 27 two, and the stories and like this guy, Mike Ross, he loves music so much, and he hones in on the fact that these are amazing songs that you're gonna want to hear performed live, that you're gonna that you're gonna love and do it really well. But also he's honed in on the fact that there's a bit of a story here. There's a bit of a through line about the 27 club and the stories of how each of these people passed away. And same with Laurel Canyon, like you were saying, like honing in on the fact that there's a really good story there. So for the 27 club, he'll explain kind of how these artists came to be their impact on music, and, you know, their big singles, and a little bit about their their passing, but mostly just really share what made them such an incredible, impactful artist in their short time that they did have, like the fact that these were artists and people who were only 27 years old, but were just the biggest thing going in music. Sick.

Jann Arden  30:00  
I wonder what it is about being that age. When I was 27 I didn't know my asthma hole in the ground. I was so naive. I mean, part of that is growing up in a really small community here and going to a really small high school, but I just even when I left home, I felt like I didn't know anything. I didn't have any experience. It's no wonder my mother cried in the driveway as I was leaving with my friend in her VW van to drive out to Vancouver, and it was a nightmare once I got out there, I was just so ill prepared for adulting. But yeah, 27 I didn't even have my record deal until I was 30. But when Amy, when Amy Winehouse, died a few years ago at 27 it gave me chills, because I know it resurrected that whole 27 club again, and people were speaking to that of what it was exactly that age group, and it was all these deaths were all drugs and alcohol folks. So just, it wasn't a car accident, it was drugs and alcohol,

Caitlin Green  31:06  
yeah, oh, and, and it's a, it's a, it's a. He talks a little bit about, sort of how one, one piece that he was discussing in between the performances was about how many of these artists sort of led this interesting, high octane, kind of, you know, unusual life, and that they would have these big breakthrough artist moments like, you know, kind of like, Why do musicians turn to drugs and alcohol, this universal thing they have? And he says, I think a lot of them turn to drugs and alcohol after they've had their big first success to access their artistry. They get, they sort of get into it because they think that this is going to bring them closer to that initial thing they had when they were recording. It's going to bring them closer to their emotions. And so, you know, maybe they are doing LSD back in the 70s, or whatever it looks like, and they, they kind of get that big hit from it, and it allows them to access another part of their brain, but then they sort of lose themselves to it. It gets farther and farther away and harder and harder to access. Do

Jann Arden  32:09  
you ever think that it has to do with getting that energy from an audience as well, like being on stage, having 1000s and 1000s of people cheering you on, you know, fucking screaming, if you spit on the stage or smash your guitar, or, you know, move your leg in a certain way, like the the amount of energy that comes at an individual, and then you leave the stage, the show is over. People go home, and you're sitting there. And how can you duplicate that? How can you go through your day to day, normal human being life? And we've seen famous people have so many problems with this for decades. Of whether it's Marilyn Monroe you want to talk about, you know, just that kind of fame, just eating you alive. I've often talked about fame having teeth, but just so many, so many people have trouble with drugs. It's like they're trying to replicate that high.

Caitlin Green  33:11  
Yes, it's certainly something that is discussed by many, many different creative figures. I've heard that said from many stand up comedians who I love, and some who I've interviewed, and they talk about how, you know, you get that huge rush from everyone laughing and enjoying your show, and then you're alone at the hotel room, maybe in a casino, you're far away from your friends and family, and that many bars there, yeah, like all that stuff, and some of them don't have the issues regulate in their addiction. Some of them become sober and and then some have serious problems. I mean, look at the story that happened. You know, that brought Matthew Perry now to the forefront again. So, yeah, it's certainly something that afflicts a lot of creative people. And I do think it was interesting to hear him break this all down. And I just if you're in PEI I can't recommend going to Prince Edward Island, enough special summer. But if you're there, go, this is a treat. This is something really special. And I don't know if he has any interest in even leaving the island to do this show. But my gosh, it is like, it is real big city, quality stuff in a very small, intimate, amazing theater. And I just have a lot of respect for what they're putting on. It's so cool. I

Jann Arden  34:27  
went to a play last summer that my road manager, Chris Brunton, who's worked with me for 20 years, he was involved in producing this and Oh, cool. They somehow got $10,000 together to put this play on called Cyclone, and I guess it was an Off, off Broadway. Anyway, you have to pay to get the books to to do these shows. You can't just do them and not pay the Creator, right, which is totally, that's legit. That's, that's what should be happening. Anyway, they couldn't afford a theater. So this guy, that was one of the main. Characters, and one of the producers used his parents barn. I'm just telling the story because it reminds me of people doing really innovative things that aren't in big spaces. And so it was like a legit barn. I had to follow my pin like I had 49 turns in a in rural Alberta to find this farm, and there was about 50 of us sitting in there on hay bales, on chairs they dragged in from their mother's kitchen on but they had lights hanging from, like the hay loft. It was so incredible of going in there and seeing this play with special effects and like a puppet in a box that was telling fortunes, and like, it was no small I said to Chris, I'm like, couldn't you guys have fucking picked had a gabbler where people could just sit in two chairs and do monologs back and forth to each other? That would have been way less. These guys are on a different world. They're on on there's car accidents, and they're on on fcking roller coasters. But anyway, people are doing such innovative, cool things in theater and in arts, and I wish there was more money available,

Caitlin Green  36:11  
I know, to do stuff like that. The desire to create a home for creativity and for musical talent. I mean, what what you can do on a shoestring budget is really impressive. And, and this is, this was a very like, legit auditorium, like, it's a like, they bought the building. There's now a pub in a restaurant there. They're making money doing this. But I just think seeing people who need to create so badly that they will do it anywhere, I just I get goosebumps thinking about it. I'm so impressed by that blows me away every single time I see that. So I mean, if you're in a barn putting on a play, like, good for you,

Jann Arden  36:48  
I'll be there.

Hey, listen, I'm gonna be singing for six people in my house, four people in the next couple of weeks that they paid $3,000 at my golf tournament to come in. So speaking of putting on a play, I'm gonna hang a trouble light around my neck. I'm gonna light my head up. I'm gonna turn all the fucking lights off in here. I'm gonna hang a trouble light that'll be my spotlight. And I'm gonna play my guitar. I'm even gonna tune it, and I'm gonna feed four people, probably mac and cheese or something, and some garlic bread from Costco. They're gonna get there $3,000 worth. I'm gonna sing a few songs, and maybe I'll even put on some kind of a red cape. I don't want to give it away. I should only tell Patreon people what I'm doing. Anyway I do. Thank these people. They're all former RCMP officers. Oh,

Unknown Speaker  37:39  
really, that's nice.

Jann Arden  37:40  
Maybe I'll even show them the gun that I have and they can teach me how to shoot it. It was my dad's 22 and nobody seemed to know how to load it. So maybe I'll ask one of those guys you

Caitlin Green  37:49  
should and then you should post it on our Patreon for all of our only Jans to see. Okay, another

Jann Arden  37:54  
thing that happened to in PEI Sorry, I'm picking your brain today. You were in the background of a woman's pedicure. Oh, no, this

Caitlin Green  38:02  
was here in Toronto. Oh, was

Jann Arden  38:03  
it in Toronto? Okay, I thought that. I thought, holy shit, Pei was had some shiz going on. So you're not in there. You're in the pedicure chair. Yeah, you are surrounded by a group of young women. Yes, what was happening were you? Did you? You were just eavesdropping on their meeting.

Caitlin Green  38:21  
No, no. Like, okay, so I'm at my regular nail place, and how the pedicure chairs are sometimes raised. So I'm raised up there. I'm getting my feet done. I'm chatting to my my nail tech, and a woman comes in, and right away it's like she's giving like, yard sale vibes, like she's just, she's a mess. She's got, you know, a sweat suit on. She's running around telling everyone how she lost her water bottle. Oh, I think I left it in my Uber I'm gonna, oh, I'm outside. I'm gonna. And she's holding an open laptop with AirPods in, and she's yelling so loud that you realize that she's like, on a call on her laptop, and she's on a zoom she's on, like, a Microsoft Teams meeting. She's working remotely.

Jann Arden  38:59  
She's on the internet in the nail salon.

Caitlin Green  39:02  
She's at quote, unquote work, so she's doing the call now, first in the waiting room, in the like, the the seating area, the lounge. Me and my nail tech are already laughing, because she's like, immediately, she is the main character in the nail salon, right? Like, it's just and not in a good way. How can you not be, of course. Now everyone else's energy is disrupted. We're all having a nice chill time, and now I'm listening to this, like chaotic yard sale of a human being talk, yell about their lost water bottle and then spreadsheets. So anyways, and again, this is like 11am on a work day, so she settles down on the manicure station directly in front of me, and so her laptop is facing her, and so her camera is facing her, and so I'm behind her with my like pale ass legs on her Zoom meeting. Can

Jann Arden  39:47  
you see your legs on her screen? Jesus H,

Caitlin Green  39:51  
I immediately do what any person would do in 2024 I take photos of this, and I send it to all of my friends, and I zoom in on myself. Hang and

Jann Arden  39:59  
break. Pain or any labia. Did you okay? Good, good. Because, see, these are one of the situations you have to be mindful of.

Caitlin Green  40:05  
No, I was not in mesh shorts. Thank goodness. I was in full pants, but I just thought to myself, this is the type of person when you hear about everyone being forced to go back into the office, it's always one person who pushes it and wrecks it for everybody else. You couldn't just live your life normally and go to your nail appointment on your lunch hour after work, whatever you have to drag everyone on your Zoom meeting into the nail salon with you, disrupt everyone's nail salon experience. And nobody said one single word. If I wasn't stuck, like on the chair, I would have, I would have said, for sure, like I as I'm that type of person, think about think about me, what you will. And I would go, come on, okay, break. I'm like, You can't do that here. That's so weird. This is peak weirdo behavior. You're out in public, go to this at your house. Like, come on. Also, like, close your company. If you're doing business from the nail salon, you don't have a business. Have

Jann Arden  40:57  
we lost all sense of our surroundings, like if we just lost it. How many times do I get caught up? And I'm not in town very often, but how many times do I get caught talking to someone I think they're talking to me in a lineup. I've done it 20 times in 2024 going, sorry, what did you I'm on? And then I see their little white sticks hanging out of their ear. But I'm embarrassed every time, because I just I feel like they're looking at me. Yeah,

Caitlin Green  41:29  
they are, right.

Jann Arden  41:31  
They are. And they're saying, I don't know, when are you gonna go? Are you gonna wear that? Oh, this. I don't, I don't think so. And then they're like, well,

Caitlin Green  41:42  
and it's also it's, don't you find now, like, it's volume dependent as well, you should be a little bit quieter, I would say, when you're out on the phone, like in public, because that different, then I know you're not addressing me because the volume of your voice isn't giving like I'm addressing you. But if you're yelling, then I could think you're talking to me so and she was yelling, You have

Jann Arden  42:02  
no idea how much I do it. I always think it's me, but I don't think I would have the gumption to say anything to her. I just don't think I

Caitlin Green  42:11  
would like, I wouldn't say something aggressive. I would laugh. I would be very like, I would be light hearted about my delivery, for sure, but it would just be like, it would be a very obvious like, come on, you're that chick at the nail salon right now on her call.

Jann Arden  42:26  
But would she, would she get it and listen? If you are the girl that did that and you're listening, please, please leave us a voice note you should please respond.

Caitlin Green  42:34  
You can be upset with me. I'm fine with it. I stand behind my stance, and also I know, I know the nail techs at the salon, and we were all looking at each other and other customers, we were all looking at each other like, come on, this is a lot. I

Jann Arden  42:47  
would be mortified. I don't do that even. And this is the God's truth. God strike my mother dead, who's already dead in her grave. If I get a phone call, I never pick it up unless it's like, Absolutely, unless it's Bruce Allen. And I'm thinking, if he's phoning me right now, so I'll literally go, Can I phone you back in 10? Yeah, I'm trying to speak as what the hell i Are you? Okay? No, no, I just, I just nail salon. Can I just whatever? And I am off that phone so fast. Yeah. And usually me in the chair to nail if I'm getting a pedicure. I got my eye shut. I got my phone in my purse. I can tell I'm getting shit happening because my Apple Watch is going. Or once in a while, if I'm arsed, I'll look at it and and it's my bird camera. Usually, Caitlin, to be honest,

Caitlin Green  43:41  
it's your bird it's my

Jann Arden  43:43  
bird camera, which goes off. I'm not kidding you, 60 or 70 times a day. What was I thinking? I need to disconnect it from my watch. But anyway, I'm really, really mindful. I don't want to draw attention to myself. I just would never infringe on somebody else's time in a private space like that, and I don't mind like sometimes I'll see two, three girls that have gone in to do their stuff, and they're really loud. They're sharing stuff on Tiktok. It's always the phones involved. They're laughing. I'm thinking, what a nice sound. I don't mind laughing. And I'm quite entertained sometimes, listening to people's conversations. Now I shouldn't be telling you this in a public forum, but I'm going to tell you this I just ordered off of Instagram because it's what I fucking did. They were 6999 they are earbuds, but they will do any kind of language. Oh, translate.

Caitlin Green  44:38  
Oh God, tell me how this works. I am dying to know.

Jann Arden  44:42  
So you have an app, you hook your things up to your phone. I'm dying to see I haven't they're still in transit. I just got a notification this morning, okay, saying that my translating headphones are now in I think they're in Texas or something. So they've come from China, which is fine. Yeah. You have a choice of 120 languages, is that even possible? So one of the examples that they use that would be really fun to use these earphones exactly

Caitlin Green  45:09  
where you're going with this is a nail salon, of course, because everyone wants to know what someone's saying about you the nail salon. So they said you can even

Jann Arden  45:15  
just put one in and it will translate with a bit of a delay. It'll get the sound in, and then I will have an AI voice coming on, going, that girl always wears that hat. I don't know why she wears pants so tight. I don't know.

Caitlin Green  45:32  
I'll be like her cuticles are so dry. Not this again, but

Jann Arden  45:35  
for me, it's gonna be like, Jan is so nice. She's the nicest person we've ever had in here. Look how nice she is on her phone. Look how polite. Look how polite she is.

Caitlin Green  45:44  
Okay, when you said, like, you'll hear but when you said you hear other people talking the nail salon, you're like, I can listen on their conversations, and it's interesting, and it is. And this is the thing. I can't talk on the phone in public very well, unless I'm on the move. If I'm on the move and I'm not staying near people, then that's because I know everyone's listening to you. You've given them no other choice. So I have friends who want to talk at a nail salon. Come let's do a group appointment. I'm like, no, because not catching you up on my life. Well, everyone else can eavesdrop. And also, same thing with you know, if you're anywhere out in public and you're on your phone and you're having these really personal conversations, I'm very aware of other people listening, and so I don't feel comfortable, so I won't do it. I'm just not interested in sharing that information with everybody else, and it's because that you've given them no choice. So I really want to know how your headphones work, because I do. They could be telling you anything, and you wouldn't know. Those headphones could be no exactly,

Jann Arden  46:41  
but I think, and I don't know how I'm going to use them in a practical sense, like, if I'm in Italy in a cafe wanting to order, like, what do they have? Do you show them on your phone, or they say something to I don't understand exactly how it works, and they may be the stupidest waste of 6999 that I've ever done in my life, because I don't know how. So say you're engaging with the guy, the barista, asking him for a black coffee and, you know, two donuts. Could I get a black coffee and two donuts? He can't hear what I'm saying. Do I hold my phone up? Um,

Caitlin Green  47:18  
you're gonna have to tell me, and he's like, I'm

Jann Arden  47:23  
curious. I really am curious of how to do it, or if it's just eavesdropping. If these are just an eavesdropping tool, that's what I think to be sitting somewhere where you can get a translation. They used another example of sitting in a foreign film. So you're watching a movie,

Caitlin Green  47:39  
let's be honest, who's doing that? No one's doing that. I don't know. It's for the nail salon like, let's call it what it is. These are nail salon headphones and or when people are traveling, that's what I think it is, because it's exactly like the Seinfeld episode. Okay, I

Jann Arden  47:51  
got nail salon headphones.

Caitlin Green  47:53  
I love it. But the only thing is, again, there's no way to know, and you're gonna have to get somebody who speaks another language to test this out with you and see if they're accurate. Because, again, it's a case of like, you could trick me into anything if I put these headphones in, they could just be telling me that all these people are saying amazing compliments towards me, when maybe they really aren't. So I don't know, but I am. I'm quite curious. So I wish my Instagram algorithm served me those types of ads. Well,

Jann Arden  48:19  
it's because I'm a sucker for them. I think it's because I've bought things before last year, which I do really love. I bought headphones that don't go in your ear. I don't like having my sound locked out when I'm walking around town, especially if I'm waltzing around Toronto in my hood. I want to hear what's going on, so I don't want anything in my ears. These go on the bone in front of your ear. They're really cheap, too. And you know what? They sound great. They're just little things that fit over your ear. There's a thing that goes on your bone in front of your ear. They sound really good. And I can listen to a podcast or listen to something when I'm walking around with poppy and hear everything's going on. Someone honking at me, someone asking me if I want to buy math, someone, someone you know, can you can I bomb a cigarette like there's nothing? I don't hear I can hear traffic. I can hear stuff. So I have now been targeted by the social media powers that be. This woman will buy shit on a whim. She's got PayPal. She can auto fill everything we've got. I can be in and out of there in my transaction in 62 seconds. So I bought three coats last night. I bought three linens, coats. Listen, Patreon. What are we at? Patreon? Let me just, let me do a little recap. Here, folks are patrons

Caitlin Green  49:33  
doing really well. You

Jann Arden  49:34  
guys. Thank you so much. We have 252, Patreon members.

Caitlin Green  49:38  
We love you. We call them are only Jans, and they are, you

Jann Arden  49:41  
guys are our only Jans. Only Jans. And let me just say, because I have faced a little bit of pushback, not much, but I've had the odd comment, and I want to just speak to this, and somebody said it so succinctly in one of our voice notes last week, and it was a woman that just said, I'm a Patreon member, because I really believe. Been supporting the arts and paying for people, for the art and for the time they put in. And she sort of thanked Caitlin and Sarah and I for putting the time in, which is multiple, multiple hours every week. It's a lot of hours between the three of us. It's not just we don't just show up here and talk. We discuss the topics, believe it or not, we actually put a little thought into what we're going to talk about, and I believe in being paid for the arts, we don't get paid anything. We don't have a big corporation paying us a salary. So we thank you. I know people are kind of used to this way of thinking with Patreon on doing a monthly subscription, whether it's Netflix or Amazon Prime, blah, blah, blah. So we know what that's like, but five bucks and we're offering ourselves. We're offering up ourselves every week of our conversations. We hope that it is a bomb for the soul, because

Caitlin Green  50:50  
weekly, we never miss a week like we don't miss a week we double record, we bust our butts, and we always have. And if you look at it this way, most like legacy media corporations make their content on your tax dollars. They get an insane amount of tax credits and write offs to do this type of stuff. That's how the business works. We're not getting tax credits for the arts. We should. And

Jann Arden  51:13  
since we left, since we've gone on to, you know, Sarah's women in media podcast, you know, obviously we are building from scratch. And what you're doing really helps us to make this so I just want to thank you very much. Stick around for bonus content. We're going to talk more about really stupid shit that I've been buying off the internet, and it's been I can't help myself. It's probably some kind of a disease. I've got something going on with me. I can't help it. I've been targeted by Instagram. I don't like it, but yet I love it. I'm so confused. So listen, retail obsessed

Caitlin Green  51:44  
brain worm, but we're going to talk about that, and I want to get your thoughts on Pompeii, so we'll talk about that

Jann Arden  51:49  
overall. Oh, archeology, yeah. Caitlin, thank

Caitlin Green  51:51  
you for throwing that way. And Madonna's birthday, hello, 66 years old. We're

Jann Arden  51:55  
going to talk about that. We can't, don't even, Don't say another word. Okay, sorry, right now, we're going to listen to a couple of voice notes, aren't we? We sure are. Let's listen to a couple of voice notes. But thank you for being part of our only Jan family. Only Jans. You can listen to the Jan ARD podcast and show. I'm here with Kaitlyn green. We'll see you next time. Till we do you.